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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
I have sent out a lot of wedges. All my wedges were from plates I cut into 8 pieces like a pizza pie. They were all transferred to tiny baggies inside de my SAB. They have all been pretty much clean and not only continued to grow myc in the baggies but some even pinned…or I guess got a bin! Like you guys have said it’s all in the methods and your work flow inside the SAB. And I’m not discounting a flow hood. I’d love to have one, but for now I can’t justify the cash outlay when my SAB hasn’t failed me yet.



Right on.

So, you haven't found doing a bunch of wedges in the SAB to be too cumbersome, then?



B, not at all. At first I got worried it would be a hassle, so I sacrificed a few agar plates and a handful of baggies to figure out how to do it and practice. Now I got a little system. The baggies come sealed and attached to each other at the ends where you open them. I put 8 bags in the SAB with the plate. I cut plate in 8. I do one slice at a time. I tear the bags in two, open a bag, hold it in one hand open and with that hand I open the plate and the other hand I slide the blade into the side of the agar slice just enough that I can handle the wedge and lift it to slide into the bag. I close lid, put down my scalpel and the lightly press the air out of the baggie and zip seal it. I reflame the blade and start the process over again.


Edited by AZ Starman2112 (01/05/26 10:57 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 1
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I make 400ml of agar for 40 of the 60mm plates, so figure about 10ml/plate. I actually thought this was pretty thick, but this is clearly an area where we all have a different idea of how much is a heavy pour :lol:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AZ Starman2112] * 1
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Those wedges are making my mouth water.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana] * 1
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I Appreciate the advice im just trying to eliminate steps,  I'm having to take the cubes to a secondary location for fruiting and be low-key about it unfortunately (my workplace is gonna be for edibles and legal species),  allegedly. I just want to do a couple monotubs to get a year or two supply for me and a couple freinds. I might keep some cultures on agar tho and will definitely keep some spore prints around so I dont have to get more later on. I want the process to be as quick and painless as possible. Agar - wbs - shoeboxes or monos is the plan. I know that I keep posting without having anything really to post about yet and I apologize the anticipation to get everything is killing me if im being honest. I will try to just hang out.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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Phaethon said:
I make 400ml of agar for 40 of the 60mm plates, so figure about 10ml/plate. I actually thought this was pretty thick, but this is clearly an area where we all have a different idea of how much is a heavy pour :lol:



500ml of agar pours 50 60mm plates for me with a little bit left over as I pour lightly.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Infinite Monkeys] * 1
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We playing Indiana Jones with agar pouring skills.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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When testing liquid culture on agar plates, do I need to squirt out some mycelium onto the plates or is a drop of liquid sufficient?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Infinite Monkeys] * 2
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Drop or two is fine


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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I have so many smash wedges from trades and I’m not in a place to have them all going at the same time rn. How long will these wedges last in the baggies stored on a shelf at room temp?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MycoKyle]
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Idk I'm guessing not long enough lol, prolly can't breathe there's no extra agar it's not ideal for sure


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Idk I'm guessing not long enough lol, prolly can't breathe there's no extra agar it's not ideal for sure




Fuuuuuuuuck


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MycoKyle] * 2
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I've revived some after like six months (somehow missed a few in an envelope), but it wasn't pretty, and one didn't grow clean. Biggest problem is the agar drying out into a brittle and very lightweight sheet (water vapor permeates through plastic film).

I'd recommend pouring a bunch of plates, transferring all of the wedges to those plates, and then letting the plates sit as long as you need. They don't even need to be refrigerated - should last at least six months that way. If you need more time and have fridge space, put them in a lunchbox in the fridge.

Ideally, put wedges from those plates (or subsequent transfer plates) in sterile distilled water (see Mycoplex's cryovial tek or Rev's Easy LI) for longer term storage before they get too overgrown.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon] * 3
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ive also seen a smash wedge last around six months.  it defies everything that should
be true in terms of nutrition and air but then, so do dried myceliated grains. by all counts, neither of these things should work but they do.  The cell can apparently withstand extreme dessication and go dormant in terms of its metabolism.  Ive brought back desiccated grains that were well over a year old.

its hard for me to believe that the cell membrane and other structures wouldnt be destroyed via desiccation and that the original cells in their entirety are simply "awakened" like that though. the structures just arent that resilliant.  ive seen them destroyed chemically under microscopes. in other words, transferring live mycelium and reviving desiccated mycelium are two separate processes. 

Im talking out of my ass as a wannabe mycologist but both bacteria and fungal cells have an emergency backup system whereby, though the membrane and nucleus structures are destroyed, the eukaryotes (for fungal cells) or the endospore (for bacteria) remains intact and can germinate new cell structures by preserving the genetic material.

think about their long evolution, fungus and bactera.  They've had to learn to deal with all sorts of dangers. radiation, extreme heat, desiccation, and chemicals.  they learned that they need a backup disk.  like a thumb drive in a fireproof safe.  the eukaryotes and endospores have survived mass extinction, meteors, millions of years of solar radiation, extreme drought.  the planet keeps trying to throw them overboard but they just. keep. on. swimming.

*ahem* so yeah.  i think a smash wedge stands a pretty good chance of lasting many months if not up to a year or more.

Edited by BeefExtreme (01/06/26 08:19 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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this unsmashed one, is pinning after sitting in a drawer since around may, so 7 months ish with no sign of deterioration.

then again, that is dextrose agar, not water agar.
:petri:
If I have some I haven't gotten to, I'l smush them back up but not spread too thinly in the sac, put it in a cool dark place and it's ok.
:greatjob:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Lithop] * 1
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I've edited the smash wedge tek because this keeps coming up. I might not be totally correct in terms of the cell structures and stuff, but anecdotally, I think I'm correct enough.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28795483#28795483

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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oh nooo side pins! (wuestion about what to do RIGHT NOW, not in the future, will do liners or pack better next time)

i am getting a nice healthy fruiting in my tubs, veils are breaking, im pulling them out as it happens.

however, i have a LOT of sidepins. what are some guidelines for harvesting them? they are still relatively small, no more than an inch or so long. I am afraid they will rot before the first flush is complete.

1) should i lift out the substrate and trim the sidepins off now, while the top is still actively fruiting?

2) should i wait until this flush is complete, then lift the substrate out, and trim them at that time? is there a risk of them starting to rot/ruin the tub? how do i know when the first flush is done (dumb question, i know).

i know its a lot of questions, and would probably be better for discord, but for some reason discord wont authenticate me, and i cant get into it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
B Traven said:
Ok, quick question.

And I really don't mean to be disrespectful in asking.

I still haven't found any good reason to use Liquid Cultures, Liquid Inoculant, or a Flowhood.

I can see how, in principle, these would all be useful if working at a particular scale or with particular types of vessels. But I haven't yet crossed a line where I thought, "man, I need these things." My time and effort bottlenecks are always on the other end- first with getting stuff spawned, then with getting stuff picked and processed.

So, can anyone tell me SPECIFICALLY why they use any of these, and what caused them to decide to switch?

Again, not trying to be disrespectful, but "I've always done it like this and it works" is not a satisfying answer to me.



When i started out the guy whi taught me did MS to rye, then g2g. When I found out about taking clone tissue to lc and using inoculation ports to reduce contam risk it was a big step up fron what I was doing.
Opening less sterilized jars is a big positive when it comes to lc in my opinion.



OK, right on.

So, was there no agar in that equation whatsoever?

It seems like I always just see people say that LC is faster, but I'm typically trying to slow things down a bit on that end of things. Staring at a mountain of too many plates and grain masters.



I didn't touch agar for a long long time. And when I first started with agar I would just take a sample, and as soon as it looked like it was clean, to my very untrained eye I just sent that piece to LC. No transfers or isolation. My LCs would store for years. But eventually everything gets contamed so now im playing with agar.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Just practically speaking when I've had a wedge stop being viable it seems due to the wedge drying out. Maybe bacteria got to it, or species dependent.

But if the seal is intact and you can see myc still like in the picture there it's obviously still viable. On the other hand I've had them arrive with all the goo pressed out onto the greeting card lol

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: JuniperTea] * 1
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JuniperTea said:
oh nooo side pins! (wuestion about what to do RIGHT NOW, not in the future, will do liners or pack better next time)

i am getting a nice healthy fruiting in my tubs, veils are breaking, im pulling them out as it happens.

however, i have a LOT of sidepins. what are some guidelines for harvesting them? they are still relatively small, no more than an inch or so long. I am afraid they will rot before the first flush is complete.

1) should i lift out the substrate and trim the sidepins off now, while the top is still actively fruiting?

2) should i wait until this flush is complete, then lift the substrate out, and trim them at that time? is there a risk of them starting to rot/ruin the tub? how do i know when the first flush is done (dumb question, i know).

i know its a lot of questions, and would probably be better for discord, but for some reason discord wont authenticate me, and i cant get into it.



This is the best place for questions bud, don't think twice about it.

I prefer to harvest side pins at the end of a flush. Best practice would be to wait until the flush is done, harvest the fruits on top, then carefully remove the substrate and harvest side pins.

If the side pins start to die then just let them die. They won't cause any harm. Clean them off the sub when you harvest and before you rehydrate for the second flush.

Flushes can start/finish all at once, but sometimes they come in waves (half the sub has maturing fruits, the other half has pins just starting to form). The flush is complete when no more pins are forming and all fruits are mature.

I understand the urge to harvest every possible bit of fruit, especially because these are your first tubs, but you can do more harm than good by lifting the substrate out mid-flush. Most likely not worth the risk.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: wavyedge] * 3
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I had a wedge with me this Spring. Went to a streetrave where I hoped to meet a fellow Shroomerite to give him some ingeli... Well, he wasn't there and I got so zooted that I could only mumble rap some alien cookbook at a certain stage.

Anyway six months later I found this package in a sweater and it was the ingeli. It had colonized the entire baggie and immediately revived on agar. Actually had more longevity than a thin poured plate.


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