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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rotvelta] * 1
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I recently got some mylar bags and those seem to do perfectly.

has anyone measured potency lost after they get bendy again?


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Mylar bags are probably better than ordinary vacuum bags.

Mine had lost a great deal of potency I would say.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rotvelta] * 1
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I can’t speak on Mylar but from a different experience, .36 g definitely made my stomach feel gross. Like I ate something rancid.
No thanks .


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Soloist] * 3
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Soloist]
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Has anyone else noticed a somewhat counterintuitive trait of mono tubs when dialing them for proper surface conditions~

That there is a point (usually after 100% colonization) where less air actually makes it drier on the surface. Likely because the metabolism is slowed...

I grow in 28 quart low profile mono tubs and I'm always trying to find the place where its closed down, but not too much.

Maybe its only a thing with these low profile tubs. Or I'm just crazy.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 1
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:okaythen: I'm taking my talents to reddit


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vegeta] * 6
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Jk you guys are stuck with me until the Bobs have had enough



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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Vegeta] * 1
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hippie


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: tedoro] * 1
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tedoro said: a point (usually after 100% colonization) where less air actually makes it drier on the surface. Likely because the metabolism is slowed...


I know sorta what you are describing - just before pins start, there’s a moment where it seems to me the sub pauses to β€œtake a big drink of moisture from itself” before pins start showing…the surface beads either disappear or are diminished and hard to replace through misting.

I don’t see it as metabolism slowing as much as I look at it as a brief pause before the big push of fruiting.  I see it as a signpost moment…signaling good things to come, but can cause uncertainty.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Soloist] * 6
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Abou
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I don’t trust vacuum seal bags.
Had a few zips stored with desiccant packets and zero air sucked out. Just bagged and sealed. Sitting on a shelf in my closet.

After about two months or so I opened one up and noticed the fruits weren’t completely cracker dry anymore.
Not bendy but not what they should be.
Ran them all through the dehydrator another round and went back to mason jars.
Just my experience.
Granted there could have been some pressure on folds because they were horizontal, but definitely nothing major that you’d think would cause a leak.
Just not worth it for me to risk the fruits of my labor.


One possible issue is with using desiccant packs. I always add my packs to the dehydrator for the last 30 minutes of drying time. The desiccant packs suck moisture from the air while sitting waiting to be used.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 4
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YoshiTrainer said:
I always add my packs to the dehydrator for the last 30 minutes of drying time. The desiccant packs suck moisture from the air while sitting waiting to be used.


This is the types of little tips I pick up from visiting here. I had never thought of it, but it makes great sense to dehydrate your desiccant packs and have then refreshed at the same time.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: COgrower] * 1
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That is really good advice yosh.
When I first started I used to ransack my local homegoods store and get all the desiccant packs I could find, run them through as you mentioned, stored in a mason jar.
Works great.
Since then I’ve been using food safe clay ones from Amazon, straight out of the zipper bag and into the jars they go without issue.
At least in my case I do think it was the bags themselves.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Soloist]
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Cakewonder said:
hippie


I'm here to discourage sharing ideas about growing mushrooms :thatsallfolks:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 2
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YoshiTrainer said:
One possible issue is with using desiccant packs. I always add my packs to the dehydrator for the last 30 minutes of drying time. The desiccant packs suck moisture from the air while sitting waiting to be used.


I got these desiccant packs with color indication on moisture, this.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kloakk]
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Yeah those are cool af. Almost went that route too but the idea of clay as opposed to whatever is in a regular packet just seemed to jive better.


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  :sporedrop:Gymnopilus subspectibilis grow log:sporedrop:             
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Soloist] * 2
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Its just silica (basicallly sand)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kloakk]
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Would just like a show of hands on a few things that I want confirmed are still best practices. My info might be a year or two out of date. Note that these are in relation to cubensis.


1- Pure Coir vs CV or CVG

I know pure coir works fine for Cubensis, I've been doing that for a long time. Didn't like vermiculite sticking on fruits or adding a disgusting flavor if accidentally still on it.

Still, is this one of those things that people realized hmmmm  the benefits of Verm still outweigh the costs/hassle? Is the extra water retention simply countered with a good dunk? What about the extra aeration of the sub?

Same could be said for gypsum. I do have a shit ton, but it is recycled gypsum from drywalls, so it probably contains huge sporeloads and maybe other contaminants. Haven't used it in bulk in multiple years, sometimes I've added a bit to grain jars.

Basically, I guess it boils down to: have people measured no improvement with VG, or is it more, comparably, just coir does the trick?

2- Ultra compacting substrate and then ultra compacted pseudocasing

For a while, people were talking of the benefits of really compacting the sub with a trowel, and then doing the same with a pseudocasing of pure coir. Is this still considered good practice?

Noted issues with cross contamination from the trowel? I know that my first one had a wood handle, and that got moldy. I find cleaning the trowel from coir debris very difficult.

What about compacting the sub too much and making it less airy, and thus less ideal for shrooms but more ideal for bacteria or mold?

3- Pan Recipes seem to all include vermiculite.

Just something I noticed on some more recent teks. I understand it's a different species, but the fact that the mixes include verm make me go back to point 1. I get that they are more particular than cubensis and thus everything needs to be fine tuned more, but the question still stands.

Are the benefits of vermiculite disregarded to increased practicality and lowered costs?

4- Tub Cleaning and jagged holes

Most people say that dish soap is enough, but I wonder if that's truly the case, especially if a tub molded out towards the end.

Between hydrophobins protecting mold spores & mycelium, or micro abrasions from sponges giving hiding spots for spores, is dish soap really enough?

I know that I went through a deep cleaning routine with a bleach pass, then a dish soap pass, using soft side of sponges. Way more of a pain in the ass than a loofah with dish soap.

Of course the answer is going to be spawn. Yeah I get it, but I notice, especially on a few suspect tubs, that it's in the rounded corners where a contamination might show up first, so it raises questions since those would be the hardest spots to get completely clean.

On that note, I should probably get a dremel and smooth out some of my holes (old school tubs), because those are probably vectors.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies] * 3
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I think that even with using a dremel to smooth it out you'll still have microscopic cracks. They might be smaller than before, but they will still be there.

I've had some major contamination over the years. I even had a year plus run of failure. My best and worst runs have all been done in tubs that have triched out, been forgotten for too long, and then just emptied and washed with soap/water.

I think if mold hiding somewhere in a tub was an issue, someone would've noticed a correlation between multi flush grows only happening in brand new tubs.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Huskies]
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I use a margin trowel for leveling out and compacting subs. It’s rusty, and has a dirty wooden handle. I just wrap the whole thing in food service film. Easy peasy. No issues thus far…..


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Blopblop]
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@puff: yeah that is true, and same here. Culprit probably comes down to iffy spawn. I just have noticed a few tubs being consistent fuckers.

That being said, here are some Unorthodox Reasons I had bad spawn when my agar seemed consistently good:

1- No Prep Millet using Crack's method: there would often be uncolonized grains stuck at the top of the lid. If I broke up the spawn without first removing the lid and wiping the inside and the top of the jar with a paper towel, those uncolonized grains would go in with the good spawn and be a contamination vector.

2- Old Lids: I have and still use a bunch of old lids tbh, plastic ones that are unmodified. I still use them, but perhaps the seal is not nearly as good as I think. For the first time in my life I have proper SFDs, so maybe just defaulting to those with classic metal lids is the way to go.

3- Micropore or Polyfill filter failure: similar to the above, even though I use double layers of micropore on metal lids. Didn't realize that these were probably not ideal, especially if they were a bit wet out of PC. Polyfill I'm simply not sure if they were good enough overall, I did have success. Also fails. Sometimes grains could get stuck in the tufts of polyfill, so once again, a way for uncolonized grains to get mixed in careless.

4- No prep method top jars: like an idiot, I would pack my 23 quart with 10 jars with no prep versus just 7 put up vertically. THing is, that means the ones on top are likely going to have some water leak out of them. This means those grains are underhydrated, and perhaps not as well colonized as the other ones. Without marking those specifically, they could be added with otherwise good spawn, and fuck a tub up. I did notice worse growth in the 750ml thinner mason jars, which I used to fit 10 consistently.

@Blopblop: interesting, do you swap it out between tubs?


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