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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
phytophthora said:
I think part of the confusion is we sometimes muddle the ideas of monocultures and monokaryons. A diykaryotic culture is a mated pair of spores, and has the ability to produce sexual organs. A monokaryotic culture is a single spore growing out and searching for a mate, and cannot reproduce sexually yet. Further complicating things is that a monokaryon can mate with a (by definition already mated) dikaryon, and that you can physically separate dikaryons back into non-sexual monokaryons, that can then go on to form new dikaryons or as stated previously mono-dikaryotic mated pairings.

A monoculture to my knowledge would be two single confirmed monokaryons that have mated to form a single dikaryon. Often what happens is thousands of dikaryons (and mono/di pairings) coming together on our plates.
:raveface:

Edited to add - sorry if I am preaching to the choir here!



no no thank you i really appreciate this. thanks for clearing that up for me. so what of the monoculture spores? how much genetic differentiation is within?

so,



I think a monokaryon is like an egg or a sperm. Takes two to tango, so I suppose each is represented equally. Except instead of a sperm fertilizing an egg, the monokaryons fuse and contain two nuclei in each cell. So instead of sex it’s like literally melding together and becoming one single organism, that is now sexually capable, and can “breed” with itself, in effect creating mushrooms that will release spores. But that sexual pairing can also include a third individual. Mushroom sex is fucking bizarre… and I like it a lot.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora] * 1
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Basidia doesnt form as a single genetic unit the until right before spore production

No longer haploid cells but with two separate sets of genetic in one cell until the fruiting body is produced.  When the actual genetic combination happens is right before spore production.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora]
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ChatGPT said:

That comment is actually a pretty solid layperson's analogy for how fungal reproduction works in basidiomycetes like Psilocybe cubensis, though it could use a bit of clarification and refinement in places.

Let’s break it down:

✅ What the comment gets right:

"A monokaryon is like an egg or a sperm."
– ✔️ This is a good analogy. A monokaryon has one haploid nucleus per cell, like gametes in animals. Each monokaryon is essentially a genetic half, waiting to pair.

"Takes two to tango"
– ✔️ Also accurate. Two compatible monokaryons (with different mating types) must meet and fuse cytoplasm (plasmogamy), creating a dikaryon—a mycelium where each cell contains two separate nuclei.

"Instead of a sperm fertilizing an egg..."
– ✔️ True. Fungi don't follow the animal model of one gamete merging into another. Instead, the two partners merge cytoplasm but retain separate nuclei, coexisting in the same cell. This is unique to fungi and called dikaryotic stage.

"Sexually capable... breed with itself"
– ✔️ Once the dikaryon is established, it can fruit and undergo karyogamy (nuclear fusion) inside the basidia to finally form diploid cells, followed by meiosis to create haploid spores—the sexual progeny.

⚠️ What needs clarification or correction:

"Becoming one single organism..."
– ⚠️ This is partly true, but it can be misleading. The resulting dikaryotic mycelium is not diploid—it's a unique fungal state where two nuclei remain separate but function in sync. It’s a new, genetically mixed organism, but not truly one nucleus—until mushrooms form and nuclei fuse.

"Can include a third individual"
– ⚠️ This needs a caveat. In some fungi, hyphal anastomosis (fusion of hyphae) can allow complex nuclear arrangements or genetic recombination. Some rare cases might allow for multiple genetic contributors, but in Psilocybe cubensis, sexual pairing is typically binary (two compatible monokaryons forming one dikaryon). A third partner joining in would be highly unusual and not the norm.

🔬 TL;DR Summary:

The analogy captures the core of fungal sexual reproduction well, especially for someone not deeply familiar with mycology. It's a poetic and intuitive description that covers:

Monokaryons as gamete-like cells

Dikaryon formation as a long-lasting, fused partnership

Fruiting as the final sexual step

A hint at the genetic complexity fungi can exhibit

It just needs a few tweaks for scientific precision.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: POWAtrippin]
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Well damn :justdontknow: Got some reading to do myself apparently.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Proposition 122] * 3
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Let’s never use ChatGPT as a knowledge source. Plenty of real resources available.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: POWAtrippin]
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Basidia might not, but clamping occurs immediately. AFAIK

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
did you use two piece lids? Rather than throwing them away, I would be tempted to sterilize some lids wrapped in tinfoil and then switch them in the sab..

or

Sterilize some polyfil in tinfoil.  Poke a hole in the lid (after sanitizing it with iso) with a red hot ice pick, tape the polyfil over the hole with micropore tape (in the sab)

i guess id try either of those things before dumping.  cant break whats broke.



Or, or, hear me out.

G2g them.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 3
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Ill read the chatgpt nonsense later, but i thought phytopthora did an amazing job of explaining that. Ive tried to wrap my head around the topic for years and i think the last few pages helped


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
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tryptkaloids said:
Ill read the chatgpt nonsense later, but i thought phytopthora did an amazing job of explaining that. Ive tried to wrap my head around the topic for years and i think the last few pages helped



Hear hear!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora]
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Also just to be pedantic, monokaryons can exist for a very long time in their “vegetative” state as an individual until a mate is found. So there is lonely, non-sexually viable mycelium out there on the pull. Hungry, and ready to fuse.  :strokebeard2:

Edit to add - thank you!

Edited by phytophthora (08/28/25 10:17 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: POWAtrippin] * 4
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POWAtrippin said:
Basidia doesnt form as a single genetic unit the until right before spore production

No longer haploid cells but with two separate sets of genetic in one cell until the fruiting body is produced.  When the actual genetic combination happens is right before spore production.



f0 theorists suggest the initial progeny (dikaryotic fruitbody) of a cross cannot be f1 on account of this one simple caveat

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora]
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phytophthora said:
Well damn :justdontknow: Got some reading to do myself apparently.



??? I thought chat validated what you said and just added to the explanation. I certainly didn't mean to offend or contradict you. I was just trying to understand this better and shared what I found. My apologies. I appreciate your posts :heart:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Proposition 122] * 1
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It’s all good. It’s just there is enough confusion without including AI. This stuff gets bizarre, and hard to wrap our mammal brains around.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40]
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Interesting insight there. Catnip knows his shit and can explain all this better than I ever could. The floor is yours… :mushroom2:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora] * 1
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora] * 1
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phytophthora said:
Interesting insight there. Catnip knows his shit and can explain all this better than I ever could. The floor is yours… :mushroom2:



I agree catnip knows his shit, but reading him talk about it in the past has led me to confusion. He may understand it better, and i love being proven wrong, but idk if he can explain it better lol he knows too much, idk if he can dumb it down for me :lol:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: phytophthora]
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phytophthora said:
Also just to be pedantic, monokaryons can exist for a very long time in their “vegetative” state as an individual until a mate is found. So there is lonely, non-sexually viable mycelium out there on the pull. Hungry, and ready to fuse.  :strokebeard2:

Edit to add - thank you!



Anyone that writes pedantic in a sentence has my vote.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40] * 4
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Oh its not that hard to figure out, a diploid vs dikaryon.

A diploid has fused genetics and a dikaryon os literally 1 cell that has literally 2 sets of genetics in it.  The actual "sex" happens far after clamping occurs and has been observed in microscopy.

The haploid cells form before spore production, but it takes two sets of genetics to get to fruit body.  Your genetic combination happens in later development of the cap then meiosis can happen etc


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: POWAtrippin]
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Interesting. So functionally they are operating as one organism and sharing all their enzymatic knowledge etc. as well as cooperating inside a cellular construct if you will, until the final, actual combination occurs right before spore release?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 1
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callmehippie said:
Got blood test results today for the ivf.

confirmed.  She's 🤰 bitchessssss!!!
:bananadance:




No need for everybody to congratulate us again. Lol. :hug::sunny:

Im Just over the moon right now.
all levels and and labs were also off the charts. They said things couldn't be better at this point. Really hoping it works out this time. 🤞🏼


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Hey. I didn't get a chance to congratulate you since I missed it completely.
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