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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: dinosaurs] * 1
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dinosaurs said:
OLDDAD77 said:
Man fuck! If I could get $65 for 6 gummies I’d definitely quit my day job! 😂


yeah Im not hating on them but that is just an absolutely incredible profit margin.

I think I grew 2-3 pounds before my input costs hit $65 lol.


But you weren't processing that into confectionery, maintaining a commercial kitchen, getting tailor-made packaging, or hiring drivers to do deliveries, right?

No doubt, it's a cash cow, but there are a lot of costs to consider nonetheless.

Also, I assume by that math that you're doing something else to keep a roof over your head, so you're not factoring in rent, utilities, etc. Lots of different ways to calculate expenses versus income, as any restaurant in a sales slump or hedge fund manager can tell you...

So, for all we know, it ends up being more of a cash goat.


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: OLDDAD77] * 1
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OLDDAD77 said:
Man fuck! If I could get $65 for 6 gummies I’d definitely quit my day job! 😂


The real issue here, though, is, $65 for 6 gummies how many times, and with what frequency?


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: Soloist] * 3
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Soloist said:
So whats an  acceptable price to pay for gummies then? I don’t really hear much about them around here.


Price is really what you’re willing to pay at the end of the day.  Most people don’t hear about them unless they know someone that makes em.  My favorite part of giving them to people is the look on their face. Then they’re like “wow these taste great” then a hour later I’m their new favorite person.

The price would also vary depending on how strong you make them.

If you have fruits make some gummies.


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: B Traven] * 3
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B Traven said:
OLDDAD77 said:
Man fuck! If I could get $65 for 6 gummies I’d definitely quit my day job! 😂


The real issue here, though, is, $65 for 6 gummies how many times, and with what frequency?


Yeah I learned a long time ago about the supply/demand issues of mushrooms. Hence the day job! 😂


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
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B Traven said:
Oh, yeah, I hear you about the name and reliability.

I'm just saying, even from personal experience, that the stability of my genetics and homogeneity of my chocolates have gotten much better over the years, just as a matter of skill and techniques culture development.

Thanks for the info, too, sounds like these guys with the higher-priced stuff, what with the island-wide delivery and all that, are marketing even more to someone who rents some luxury villa in Port Antonio next the the Rolling Stones' recording studio or whatever, and not just us Hoi Polloi who end up in Mo Bay or Negril for vacation lol


Chocolate is a whole other story. I gotta learn to temper before I even think of doing that. I’m probably more in the realm of go to the hobby store and get the colored melting disks that are vanilla flavored and go from there!

But yes, look at the prices of those shroom retreats in Jamaica. Big $. Those aren’t in my budget. But fuck, the experience sounds pretty wild. I’m destined for Negril. It’s in my budget, and I enjoy the ride with a red stripe or two and a pattie along the way. Probably a bottle of Ting as well.

FuzzyFoot said:
I use this stuff

https://www.amazon.com/Simple-Mixes-Natural-Variety-Strawberry/dp/B0CG248XM1?th=1

and these

https://www.amazon.com/Puyeipt-Silicone-Cavities-Non-Stick-Chocolates/dp/B0DCBQFNK3?th=1


One pouch makes about 48 gummies for me, so I just do a double extract of 48 grams and reduce that all down and mix it with the packaged stuff. Works great, and I don't use my dehydrator - I just leave them in the fridge until  they firm up a bit.


If you want to make your own gummies or anything else with hydocolloids I suggest this...

https://khymos.org/recipe-collection/

It's full of great info.


Great info! Thanks! :awesomenod:


ReverendMyc said:
I'm gonna be a bit pedantic here. No offense intended to anyone.

  • I think you meant Milkboy rather than mushboy for the simple gummy recipe. Mush is a tea connoisseur if I am not mistaken. But based on Milk's recipe, I think this would work well.

  • I agree that agar agar gummies kind of suck, though. The texture is all wrong. They dry out and get hard after a while. And a little agar is fine to consume, but a lot will give you bubble guts and the runs. It is known as a natural laxative. No need to add any stomach distress to mushrooms, they already do that well enough on their own for many people.

  • Their package says 3 grams total psilocybin or 0.5 grams per gummy. I am pretty sure that they mean grams of dried mushrooms, not psilocybin. 0.5 grams of psilocybin is approximately the amount in 50 grams of dried cubensis. Probably simpler for most people to calculate in dried mushroom equivalent so I see why they list it that way. But it is going to be pretty confusing in the long run when they list the actives incorrectly like that. If they are not being accurate about that, what else are they playing fast and loose with?
    :shrug:  :2cents:


@AZ Did you try them or know anyone that did? I am curious about the texture, taste, and if the potency felt right. I am sure I would have paid the premium just for the sake science.

I am not surprised that they don't use any preservatives, though. Most people will eat them right away while on vacation. No FDA to worry about. More return customers if they don't last long. It really is less profitable to make them last when you can just make and sell more for very low expense at high prices.

Still pretty cool. Might need a little Jamaican vacation, mon.

Edit: O shit, did I say mushboy three times? Nope, just once. :rofl:


Milkboy, Mushboy…don’t eat the mush! Why? It’s spoiled!

It was the milk that did it! Yes I guess I meant milkboy and his gummies! I’m fucking confused too 🤣

So no I didn’t try them. I thought $65 or even $30 was a bit high especially since I had brought my own capsules that I made. I think I brought like 38g in 1/4g caps. We had almost all and left about 3g with our friends for their last night. Ain’t chancing bringing any home. And yes, I agree the weight is probably referring to the amount of dried shrooms. Extract from 24g of dried, make 48 gummies from the extract and you have .5g gummies. No different than anyone here is calculating stuff. I’m also wondering what that shelf life would be for those packages? I think the chocolate might have a longer shelf life than gummies. If you look at the ingredients of Haribo bears, citric acid has to be the preservative. Those things last a while!

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: OLDDAD77] * 3
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OLDDAD77 said:
Soloist said:
So whats an  acceptable price to pay for gummies then? I don’t really hear much about them around here.


Price is really what you’re willing to pay at the end of the day.  Most people don’t hear about them unless they know someone that makes em.  My favorite part of giving them to people is the look on their face. Then they’re like “wow these taste great” then a hour later I’m their new favorite person.

The price would also vary depending on how strong you make them.

If you have fruits make some gummies.






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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: Soloist] * 1
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Soloist said:




Revs tek v3
Gonna eat some tomorrow 🫠


Those look great! :awesomenod::mushroom2:

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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Black is a good color -- not as likely to encourage kids.

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: anders] * 2
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They're green.

Edited by DERRAYLD (08/14/25 09:52 AM)

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: DERRAYLD]
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DERRAYLD said:
They're green.


Man, I've gotta say, how racist is your av.

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: anders] * 4
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What is racist about aboriginal native dance?

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: Soloist] * 2
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Soloist said:
OLDDAD77 said:
Soloist said:
So whats an  acceptable price to pay for gummies then? I don’t really hear much about them around here.


Price is really what you’re willing to pay at the end of the day.  Most people don’t hear about them unless they know someone that makes em.  My favorite part of giving them to people is the look on their face. Then they’re like “wow these taste great” then a hour later I’m their new favorite person.

The price would also vary depending on how strong you make them.

If you have fruits make some gummies.






Revs tek v3
Gonna eat some tomorrow 🫠


Oh nice man!


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: anders] * 3
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anders said:
DERRAYLD said:
They're green.


Man, I've gotta say, how racist is your av.


You didn’t know D was an Aborigine? He went on his walk about 35 years ago and ended up in South Africa.


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: B Traven] * 1
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B Traven said:
dinosaurs said:
OLDDAD77 said:
Man fuck! If I could get $65 for 6 gummies I’d definitely quit my day job! 😂


yeah Im not hating on them but that is just an absolutely incredible profit margin.

I think I grew 2-3 pounds before my input costs hit $65 lol.


But you weren't processing that into confectionery, maintaining a commercial kitchen, getting tailor-made packaging, or hiring drivers to do deliveries, right?

No doubt, it's a cash cow, but there are a lot of costs to consider nonetheless.

Also, I assume by that math that you're doing something else to keep a roof over your head, so you're not factoring in rent, utilities, etc. Lots of different ways to calculate expenses versus income, as any restaurant in a sales slump or hedge fund manager can tell you...

So, for all we know, it ends up being more of a cash goat.



typical restaurant upcharge is 3x cost to cover all of the above.  these folks are looking at probably 100x+ profit margin and without the costs associated with hosting customers for a meal.  good on them, and I'll never fault anyone making honest money.  there's no victim in that business model, and thats a market to envy.  we'd all gladly send planes full of mushrooms down there for half that margin.

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: Soloist]
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Soloist said:
So whats an  acceptable price to pay for gummies then? I don’t really hear much about them around here.


In places where 'shrooms have been sold retail in developed countries, the going price for dried fruit seems to be from $10-$15 a gram both street and the shops. Or, at least the few articles I am willing to grant any authority to claim. Given those sales are usually taxed and taxed hard, the fact that street and shops sell for about the same amount, that is probably the max. that can expected. It also means that in a country like Jamaica, the cost would be lower.

Even so, a decent baseline, I think.

From ReverendMyc's posts, I gather 500 grams of myceliated grain would yield ~100 gummies at a strength that he has measured that should be at worst half of the gummies in Jamaica. Probably closer to equal, but WTH. ReverendMyc's results are notable because with his process using Ps. sub. on quinoa, you get about the same amount of actives from just the mycelia as you would get if you fruit that grain instead of processing the grain.

TLDR; cost to make 100 gummies like the Jamaican ones would take fruiting 0.8kg to 1.5kg of dry grain and processing to gummies as a rough guide. The processing doesn't seem involved, but it is going to take a few hours. Attach whatever numbers seem reasonable to those factors and you get a cost. The street value of 'shrooms is going to set an upper limit on how much you can get, depending on what kind of premium you can get for gummies over the dried product. Based on 0.5 grams of dried product per gummy according to the label, that puts it at $5 to $10 for the same amount of dried product. I dunno, the price doesn't seem out of line from where 'shrooms are or have been legal in recent years in developed countries.

As far as being sold where you live, well...

A new street drug pops up and is clearly aimed at kids. I can't think of anything that would get a grip on the attention of the local yokels more than that...

My apologies for the text wall. That sort of question triggers my autistic lecture mode.

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: cjbinks]
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In Canada you can have them mailed to your door for $80 an oz through grey market weed sites. I can't imagine what they're paying wholesale.


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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: cjbinks]
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cjbinks, well received, by me anyway.

Thing about retailing in capsules is proving to ppl that two may be too much to enjoy. (pans)  Gummies start to be a solution as long as kids do not have access, and adults do not underestimate the strength.

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: dinosaurs]
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which is why anyone with any sense will never open a restaurant. Product that goes bad over a very short period of time combined with an atrocious profit margin, large physical overhead costs, and hot, hard, rushed work and employees who are all using and underpaid. It's a fools errand.

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Re: In Jamaica where shrooms are 100% legal - The Gummies [Re: phytophthora]
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anders said:
cjbinks, well received, by me anyway.

Thing about retailing in capsules is proving to ppl that two may be too much to enjoy. (pans)  Gummies start to be a solution as long as kids do not have access, and adults do not underestimate the strength.


Retailing is another issue. In my state, they are hellbent on making THC products illegal. The justification is the edibles are often sweetened and, as such, obviously aimed at kids. If I had to choose between being caught with a bottle of capsules and a bag of gummies, I'll take door number 1, please.

We aren't seeing a lot of rational thought out there.

I think the solution is for the community to decide on a color, blue, black or whatever, and any dosed edibles be colored that way. So anything edible, capsule, gummy, cookie, goo balls, etc. that are that particular shade of whatever can be assumed to be psychoactive. I am not sure if that is a great defense, but it should be better than nothing.

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