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Myth about shroom harvest.......
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Has anyone else found that it doesn't really matter if you let your shrooms grow a little more after the veil breaks. Me and my friends have found that the potency is not affected enough compared to how much more weight you can get.....and as far as the taste goes....nobody can tell the difference.

Has anyone else found this to be true....?


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: badjessejames]
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hmm u actually have a really good point. Do they actually grow a lot after the veil breaks? Ive only seen them turn black, doesnt that mean they are starting to rot.

I think this has already been tested though im sure. I still thinks it's best to pick after the veil breaks.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: shroom_assassin]
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Yeah, They grow ALOT more. When I do prints I let them get fully open and they put on alot more weight after the veil breaks.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: badjessejames]
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no where near as potent though

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: badjessejames]
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I also thought the reason you picked after the veil breaks is due to the fact that the shroom starts dropping spores after that, which kills off other shrooms.

I guess if it was a lone shroom it would be all good.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: badjessejames]
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The assasin is correct. Don't let spores drop onto the fruiting surface. That signals the mycelium that it's done it's job and inhibits further flushes.

badj's correct also, they do lose potency to weight ratio.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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Hey,
Ryche Hawk once said that if you see the
veil starting to tear wait just a few hours and
you get a 30 to 40 percent increase in yield
with out the loss in potency. If i am missquoting
you Ryche please feel free to clear this up.

Peace Love & Hair grease,
Abyss

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Abyss]
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I believe Ryche was talking about harvesting an entire flush at once and judging harvest time by the most mature shroom in the flush. That's the only way this theory works.


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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If you don't pick the mushroom when the veil starts to break it will switch to spore mode. Your fruit might be bigger, but your psilocybin and psilocin content won't increase. Why eat more volume of mushroom when you don't have to?

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Frog31337]
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I wish people would learn how threads work before they just go hitting any old reply button they feel like!

Why are you replying to me with the same information I gave?


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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In reply to:
Don't let spores drop onto the fruiting surface. That signals the mycelium that it's done it's job and inhibits further flushes.



Hmmm, I have never heard this, and it has not been my experience either.

In reply to:
they do lose potency to weight ratio.



Probably one of the most discussed theories, without any concrete evidence.

Good luck



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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: DreaMaTrix]
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In reply to:
Don't let spores drop onto the fruiting surface. That signals the mycelium that it's done it's job and inhibits further flushes.


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Hmmm, I have never heard this, and it has not been my experience either.



I guess you have some reading to do about the life cycle of mushrooms then.


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: badjessejames]
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It's a myth. Ryche has said that he can't tell the difference b/w unbroken veil shrooms and fully mature shrooms. And they gain as much as 50-150% in size after the veil breaks.

That seems to be utter b/s about the spo dropping stopping fruiting. Why would the mycelium sto b/c one shroom has dropped spores? The mycelium isn't going to live that much longer after it fruits so why not go all out and drop as many spores as possible?

I have seen straw that is mostly purple from the first flush fruit again.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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>I guess you have some reading to do about the life cycle of mushrooms then.

Can you point me to a publication, where it states that spores droping onto the fruiting surface signal the mycelium that it's done it's job ?


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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The Mushroom Cultivator - by Stamets and Chilton


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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Page Nr.?


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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Gimme a break!


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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See anno, what he means is he doesnt know what the hell he is talking about basically and made that reference because he didnt think you would have the book sitting next to you. At least thats what I think.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: darkfly]
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You think wrong! I know what I've read and have the book here, but refuse to look it up for a lazy skepitcal s.o.b. who's to busy being a know-it-all to look it up for himself..


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: darkfly] * 1
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Aborts are MUCH more potent then shroosm with wide open caps.

Mushrooms will put on a lot more weight if you let them go past thier viel breaking. I usually like to pick when they got an umbrella looken caps. Usually like 6-10 hours or so after breakage.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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I could be wrong, but I would like to see the excerpt detailing this. In my experience I have never found this to be true, nor have I heard of this concept. No one is being a lazy skepitcal SOB they just want you to back up your statement. In personal experience I have seen multiple flushes come after spores were dropped so I dont see how it inhibits further flushing.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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I looked through the first 157 pages of the book, where the general growing methods are presented, and couldn?t find it.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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Crap! Dammit! I wish it were on CDROM so I could just do a text search!

Gimme some time on this one okay? I'll try to find it for ya!


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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Found it!!!

You liar, you!

It's page 155 under the header "Harvesting"... Second paragraph.

Apologies will be considered....


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Edited by TripMeister (07/17/02 01:47 PM)

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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Quote from page 155:
"Those spores often times cover the casing layer and can inhibit further pinhead dvelopment".

Yes, I?ve seen this before, but this basicaly say that the thick cover of spores suffocates the casing layer.

You support the claim though, that "spores droping onto the fruiting surface signal the mycelium that it's done it's job".

These are 2 different things.

This "SIGNALING" is a lot of BS if you ask me.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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Are you trying to win the luvdemshrooms award?





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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=Forum2&Number=753756&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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Agreed... It doesn't say that. I must have read that detail elsewhere, but you are ASSUMING that the spore droppage smothers the mycelium. ?I disagree.


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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In reply to:
The assasin is correct. Don't let spores drop onto the fruiting surface. That signals the mycelium that it's done it's job and inhibits further flushes.




If shrooms were that smart they would have taken over the world a long time ago and none of us would be here.

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: kwisatz]
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If you were half that smart you'd read before posting newbie!


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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hehe....


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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In reply to:
If you were half that smart you'd read before posting newbie!




Chill out dude! I read the whole thread and was just trying to be funny; I guess I missed the target. Anyway, I agree with Anno that a heavy coating of spores may interfere with fruiting just because of the bulk of the spore layer, but I doubt the mycelia somehow sense their presence and then stop fruiting because they believe their job is done. Most organisms I'm familiar with naturally continue to produce offspring for as long as they can no matter how many they've successfully produced in the past.

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: kwisatz]
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In reply to:
I agree with Anno


"kwisatz" - one of Anno's aliases, no doubt.


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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In reply to:
"kwisatz" - one of Anno's aliases, no doubt.



Yeah, whatever. I wish I knew what Anno does on this subject!

I think it'd be quite incredible if this spore covering idea was correct. If you can describe a mechanism by which the mycelia detect the spores and determine by genetic, protein or other analysis that they are its own and not from a competitor colony (in which case I would think they would need to increase fruiting to compete effectively), then just die like salmon after breeding, I'll get on my knees and beg your forgiveness for any doubt I had.

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: kwisatz]
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Damn! Fuck! Shit! Piss and Corruption!

I WISH to HELL I knew where I'd read this!


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
    #754261 -

Just admit you're wrong and misguided.. it is the first step to seeing the light!
You can call Anno a know-it-all all you want.. but he is.. and arguing with him when you obviously not of his standard in shroom cultivation is rediculous.

^-^

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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nowhere.

how do you get off calling someone newbie?

you are on here every day spreading newbie misinformation.

all one has to do is read your posts.

you started out having trouble with pre-sterilized pf jars.

you don't know dick in my book.

anno defianately knows more on the subject than you.

good luck with those pf jars dude.

and the homestead kit.

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: ShroomNewb]
    #754276 -

You really should read the ENTIRE post (all threads) because I've already proved my point, just the reason I stated is still unsubstantiated.



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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: walt]
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walt, fuck off! You want me post our PM's where you asked, learned and benefittted from MY education? ?You're newer than I am by 2 days, and I have almost 5 times the number of posts, which averages to 5 times the number of posts read, so just shut the fuck up before you make even more of a fool of yourself!


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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post my pms bitch.

i didn't really ask you for shit.

post them all. ho.

fuck you .

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: walt]
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better yet i've got some pms you sent me way back in the month.

let me know how to post pms and i'll make a whole post dedicated to tripmisters true knowledge.

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: walt]
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Oooooooh... TM touched a nerve!! ?IIIIIII LIKE It!!


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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another thing . i've been reading posts on here since april.

didn't post anything until i encountered problems.

as to your number of posts . who gives a shit. out of five hundred maybe five had any pertinant info.

i don't want an outrageous number of posts in such a short period.

go buy some more pre made pf jars. hey i'll sell you some for five bucks less than he did.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: walt]
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Shoulda just kept your mouth shut in the first place walt! But I'm sure you realize that.

Hehehehe


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: walt]
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Only reasons I bought pre-made jars are that I'm lazy and rich, so keep you cheap crap to yourself!

As for number of posts... They directly relate to the number read, which is why there's a count in the first place, so just fuck off NEWBIE!


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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I hate to add to this post which is getting lamer by the minute but post count doesnt mean shit. I have been reading this site since 99 and didnt register till 2001 and ive read probably every damn post on this board over those 4 years yet I only have 300 something posts. I dont know why you think because you have more posts than someone or because you say you have read more posts that you automatically have more knowledge than them? It comes from hands on experience in the field, not by reading a bunch of text and anno is one of the most experienced people on these boards along the lines of Ryche, Max, Una, etc. I think this thread should be locked if its just going to turn into a flame fest because you think you are better than someone.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: darkfly]
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Never said I was better, just more well informed. ?The more well informed you are the better chance you have to succeed. ?I already have posted pics of my success and have plenty more "cooking" because of the knowlege I've gained here.

Believe anything you want about post count, but anyone that just reads posts stealthly without asking a question or adding a comment for two or three years is just plain weird! ?So, in other words, I don't believe you. Unless you're really a strange and very disturbed sociopath... Are you?

As for Anno, I totally agree that he's EXTREMELY knowlegeable and well informed as well as being quite literate and bright, although a bit critical and closed-minded.
There's no question that he is one of the most experienced and clever mycologists I've ever had the pleasure to encounter.

Did you have anything else to add?


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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns

I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

Edited by TripMeister (07/17/02 06:32 PM)

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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You guys sound like a bunch of women. Quit bickering and grow up



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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Eyeball_Kid3]
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We are a bunch of women!! What do you have against women??


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Eyeball_Kid3]
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Nothing to add, just figured this was the PERFECT place for my 1st post!!!!'
One down a million more to go

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: FreeCheerios]
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How did you find the splash screen?


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Anno]
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He likes it more than PGF


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: darkfly]
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I bet on this


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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You guys are wrong! I think PF was the first person to say that psilocybe mushrooms lose their potency or stop production of alkaloids once the veils break. He also still claims that BRF is the best substrate for potency!
The idea of potency variations once the veil has broken is false and i will bet any of you $50 that you cannot prove that psilocybe cubensis 'loses' potency when its veil breaks or that the fruit stops producing alkaloids.
In many cases, cubensis fruits are only partially mature when their veils break, and days from sporelation. I know from experience that the mushroom does not begin to lose potency until it has reached full maturity - otherwise the oxidisation of psilocin would be evident. This means that it CONTINUES to produce alkaloids right up until the fruit has served its purpose.
Stamets suggests that Psilocybe Cubensis be harvested after the veil breaks - before sporelation at full maturity. This is proof that Stamets does not see any connection with alkaloid production and veil ruptures.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Why not make it $5000 since it's pretty much unproveable anyway (without a seriously elaborate laboratory/proceedure)


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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss. :tongue2:

TM™ :cool:

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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: TM]
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this is a funny topic to have a flame war over. heh, but still enjoyed readin it.


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Re: Myth about shroom harvest....... [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Not only that, but it doesnt make sense. Some spore-races of cubensis lose their veils quite early in maturity - long before they have sporelated.


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hey ralph have you got the pan cambos back in stock at the moment??


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