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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
magicschoolbus said:


Mycelium or nah? Spore print to swab to pda, streaked 3 days ago



Doesnt look great, but maybe



Here's another angle, kinda looks like something is growing towards the center in the off color spots. But not the same as the stuff near the side of the jar. I used a suppperrr concentrated spore swab, you can see the spores under the questionable growth in the first Pic.
I started 3 other sets of agar, 1 with some old swabs of my own, 2 with some from a giveaway. This 4th set is the only one to show any kind of growth, and was made by taking fresh spores from a print and clumping them up on a swab. The other sets I could not see any spores streak onto the plate and its been about 3 weeks now with no visible growth. So the fact that something took off in less than 72 hours with this set makes me wonder.

Also the stuff on the walls of the jar is previous agar bits, not sure if the abnormal looking growth is aerial mycelium reaching for it? Idk


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: magicschoolbus]
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Has anyone ever used the cabellas pro 5 dehydrator? Trying to make sure 165 and 24 hrs is the way to go. The manual says for mushrooms 4-10 hrs at 130.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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Dr. Smoke said:
callmehippie said:
Nope.  Absolutely no foil.  Fuck foil.  Lol



Well, there's your problem.  Permeable filters allow moisture in to the jar while sterilizing, unless you're using a one-way filter like tyvek.  You need foil, my friend.  And if you use tyvek, put it on the right way, to allow internal moisture out and gasses in/out, and keep external moisture out, in which case you do not need foil.  You're sterilizing with steam.


humble student said:
PF Tek jar pinning AND not 100% colonized.

Birth now, or wait for 100% colonization?






Not 100%?  Could be contam.  But still I'd GO! GO! GO!  Try to exclude uncolonized.



Meanwhile said:
Got a question that may be a no brainer to some but not for me. Basically I mistimed my grain prep, the plate I was intending on using is pretty much close to or at the side of the plate. It's not growing up it. Am I being ocd or should I be concerned about contam on the walls of the plate and just cut a circle around it and only use the center of the agar? Plate prep was done in a sab and left  for 2 weeks prior to use, all other work done in front of a tested ffu.



Assuming you'd bought sterile plates, which you should always look for, it's not a problem to crawl up the sides.  But still it's time to shoot it to grain.





Lol.  Foil doesn't really do much. Definitely doesn't stop the pressurized steam  being inside from getting onto the top of your jars.  I've been running it without foil so tons  of times. Lots of people have given up using foil. At least that's what I was told in the advice I was given at some point which made me stop wasting the time with it. And yes a few  filters come out wet but dry out and then work perfectly fine.

Any ways this is the first time I've had the issue. And why would it only just be the one jar and not all of them if no foil  was the problem right?

Like another member said though If i do use foil.  I don't individually wrap each jar with Just one big sheet across the top of all of them.

Just so happens though this last run as I said didn't even have the big sheet across all the jars so there was a difference in that. Just surprised it's only one jar it happened to it's the foil was that important.

Edited by callmehippie (06/18/25 08:28 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: magicschoolbus]
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That angle looks even more suspect. Cant tell if its mold or just really bacterial myc, but im leaning toward mold.

Im about to start using foil again. I think itll help me with clean spawn and worn down rings


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mub] * 1
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Mub said:
Has anyone ever used the cabellas pro 5 dehydrator? Trying to make sure 165 and 24 hrs is the way to go. The manual says for mushrooms 4-10 hrs at 130.



I haven't used that model but I dry all my mushrooms at 176 for 24 hours. 176 just because thats it's max setting.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
Lol.  Foil doesn't really do much. I've been running it without foil so many timed for a year. Lots of people have given up using foil. Any ways this is the first time I've had the issue. And why would it only just be the one jar and not all of them if no foil  was the problem right?

Like another member said though If i do use foil.  I don't individually wrap each jar with Just one big sheet across the top of all of them.



If you are getting a wet filter lid on your jar, and if that is occurring by water dripping down from the PC lid, then foil would obviously help by providing a physical barrier.  Individually wrapped or not, it is still a barrier.

Can’t see the insides of your sealed PC to know for sure though… only one thing to do… Schrödinger’s foil!!

Edit: it could also be dripping from lid in only one spot, such as the pressure valve or safely lock.  Hence the single affected jar.  More Schrödinger for ya!

Edited by nocap (06/18/25 08:26 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nocap]
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This makes me curious @smelly Hobbit. Is this happening to you and you are using foil?

The one out of seven jars getting soaking wet and nasty at the bottom.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61]
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Mub said:
Thanks. Yea by everywhere just in the container all over the shrooms and sub. It was wild, saw one veil about to break Sunday night. Than boom, Monday after work fuckin spore city man.

I could be interested in that fees six ant dehydration process. How much did that setup cost you about?



Cheap.  It's called a "Herb Drying Rack", 6 tier.  Make sure to get the 'U' zipper, not the straight.  The mesh keeps out gnats, moths, and anything else that wants to lay eggs in your cache.  However it does take longer to dry your grains and fruits so I put a fan on it for grains, and I will buy a dehumid for fruits.


nektar61 said:
You're not a radical, you're just wrong about heat destroying alkaloids.

25 years of experience from everyone here and 5 years of experience form me says you're wrong.



Wow, that's a pretty emotional reaction nektar61.  Give yer head a shake.  You are not thinking clearly.

Objectively in the craft though, your opinions are old and outdated.


nektar61 said:
The shrooms I dried like that that were gross mush in a closet later says your wrong.

Not using dehydrator never makes them tonally dry, which invites bacteria to do their thing, even if stored with no oxygen.

Rot entirely destroys potency, and just makes shrooms into a gross mess no one would not want to eat.



I call Bullshit.  You have never tried this tek which I (and no one else) has published.  You only try things that other have done.  Never heard of spongey stipes with driers?  There is a reason for spongey, but it's a secret now, as well as what to do after.

I will be the adult here and not respond in kind.


nektar61 said:
You're brand new and giving misinformation. I'm putting you on ignore, and others should do the same.



Likewise.  That will be a relief.  I will leave it to others to decide whether I am 'brand new', or under some 'secret identity' or actually Donald Trump, etc.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dr. Smoke] * 1
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Why you gatekeeping?
Dr. Smoke said:
  Never heard of spongey stipes with driers?  There is a reason for spongey, but it's a secret now, as well as what to do after.






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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nocap]
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I was getting plenty of water pooling on lids even with foil. The foil just becomes the condensation point instead of the PC lid. At least that's what makes sense in my mind anyway.

If one is getting excessive water inside the jars from the steam in the PC, shouldn't that be a filter leak? My SFDs have a waterproof side, which I put against the lid when I siliconed. Water on the lid or not, I'm not getting water in my jars during sterilization. I'd think either the water is soaking through or getting by a leak in the silicone, no?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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Yes. Its filter type. Not all are waterproof


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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hello,

Hope everyone is doing well!

1. would those petri dishes work for agar agar? https://www.amazon.com/Pyrex-3160-101-Brand-3160-petri/dp/B00141WFNE

2. Anyone knows if they are ok for agar agar? (LME recipe)

3. Any reason to go for plastic petry instead of glass ones? (except price ofc)

4. With 10 petri dishes, anyone have an estimate on how many pucks you can do with 1 dish? (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28649340#28649340)

5. For the agar recipe, i've found this way to do it : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28354611#28354611
is it still relevant and OK?

6. For pucks, all i have to do is follow https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21922023 then put some on the pucks and that's ok? Or is there another step?



cheers!


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Edited by Tropical (06/18/25 08:44 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mub] * 2
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Mub said:
Has anyone ever used the cabellas pro 5 dehydrator? Trying to make sure 165 and 24 hrs is the way to go. The manual says for mushrooms 4-10 hrs at 130.



24 hours at 165f is perfect. I have tried 170f and 175f as well.

Disregard Dr Smoke on this.  That herb drying rack is not the way to go.  He having an emotional overreaction, and trying to flex for internet points.

If heat killed the actives, then how are we all tripping balls after boiling tea at 212f?  I have put tea in the dehydrator for 2 days until it was instant crystals.  Stored in the freezer or made into gummies, and get high as giraffe pussy from that too.  :shrug:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
Why you gatekeeping?
Dr. Smoke said:
  Never heard of spongey stipes with driers?  There is a reason for spongey, but it's a secret now, as well as what to do after.







Nah, he being the self proclaimed adult here. :awesomenod:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical]
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Those will work, glass doesnt always come sterile and can be unweildy but are reusable. Id suggest plastic till you get comfortable with em.

Not sure i understand question 4

5 yes


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"Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage
Flowchart for Recommended plan of action.
Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms
Use the Damn search engine
After you know what you're doing, take a break 
Pick a book, Make some chips!
Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
 

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
Why you gatekeeping?
Dr. Smoke said:
  Never heard of spongey stipes with driers?  There is a reason for spongey, but it's a secret now, as well as what to do after.





Because I am attacked whenever I offer new teks and disrupt the orthodoxy.  It is my info and my right.  Progress is made only in a safe space.

I will not put up with horseshit and disrespectfulness from kids.  There is too much vitriol everywhere else, and here at least it should be banned, but it is not.  This forum puts forward as a place to learn, and that can only happen when bullies are knocked silly.  When I have to, I will happily do the knocking.

Edited by Dr. Smoke (06/18/25 08:57 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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ThurmanMurman said:
I was getting plenty of water pooling on lids even with foil. The foil just becomes the condensation point instead of the PC lid. At least that's what makes sense in my mind anyway.

If one is getting excessive water inside the jars from the steam in the PC, shouldn't that be a filter leak? My SFDs have a waterproof side, which I put against the lid when I siliconed. Water on the lid or not, I'm not getting water in my jars during sterilization. I'd think either the water is soaking through or getting by a leak in the silicone, no?



That's exactly how it was explained to me and makes sense in my mind LOL just another condensation point. That's why this time I actually didn't put the big sheet across the top of all of them I was like isn't this just another roof closer to the lids now for the condensation to build up and drip off of.

I'm definitely leaning towards the filter as well. It also had some runoff Sharpie that was still on the lid getting mixed into it maybe that loosened it up a little. Seen as it was only just that one.

And yes they do make hydrophobic filters you just have to pay attention and make sure those are the ones you're getting and that you're putting the right side down.like you are NOTY

:cheers:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical]
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Tropical said:
hello,

Hope everyone is doing well!

1. would those petri dishes work for agar agar? https://www.amazon.com/Pyrex-3160-101-Brand-3160-petri/dp/B00141WFNE

2. Anyone knows if they are ok for agar agar? (LME recipe)

3. Any reason to go for plastic petry instead of glass ones? (except price ofc)

4. With 10 petri dishes, anyone have an estimate on how many pucks you can do with 1 dish? (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28649340#28649340)

5. For the agar recipe, i've found this way to do it : https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28354611#28354611
is it still relevant and OK?

6. For pucks, all i have to do is follow https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21922023 then put some on the pucks and that's ok? Or is there another step?



cheers!



Check out the Vabiooth autoclavable on the ‘Zon.

Plastic plus reusable.  Best of both worlds.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nocap]
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Seriously thank you for the reply. I have them in the dehydrator now but was reading different things and getting nervous.

Now just have to read up again on what to do with my two tubs to prep for the second flush. Just get them wait and that’s it? Or do I need to mix it up or add more coir?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Hell, I thought they all had the hydrophobic side. Shows what I know! 🤣🤣


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