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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
boxtrotalpha said:
Hey friends, got some weird growth in my agar. Thinking it's myc but it's blobby? This look legit for GT or is it something else?



Sorry for lack of a better picture my phones old and suffers a lot



Looks like mold at 6:30, something at 12:30 and I'd guess there's something fucky with that center.



Oh for sure the 630 and 1230 spots are no good. It was the fucky in the middle I was wondering about. Maybe I'll just transfer a bit of it to a new plate and see what happens. Ive never seen myc do that personally so now curiosity has got a hold of me

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: boxtrotalpha]
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I dont like any of that, but I dont have the expertise to tell you exactly what is going on. None of those edges look right to me, but hopefully I'm wrong.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 4
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Its a culture of mold.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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What's everyone's opinion on using overgrown plates? I had some family in town for a week and couldn't get to my plates that I probably let go too long beforehand anyway. I've always just tossed them and started over but thought I'd ask to see if I can save some plates. They were all clean prior to being overgrown.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Scemilope] * 1
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Scemilope said:
SkanskKorv said:
So as long as it's peat moss it doesn't matter which kind it is? Also I just noticed the post is from 2005. Is this still up to date 20 years later?



Yep, that info on peat is still solid.

You don't want long fiber sphagnum.
Looks like this:


The peat you want will look like this:




alright thank you! I'm saving those images as reference.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Packerbacker12]
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Packerbacker12 said:
What's everyone's opinion on using overgrown plates? I had some family in town for a week and couldn't get to my plates that I probably let go too long beforehand anyway. I've always just tossed them and started over but thought I'd ask to see if I can save some plates. They were all clean prior to being overgrown.




Hot pour if there's enough room... it will help bring the hardiest hyphea into the light...

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 1
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LewDoja said:
Packerbacker12 said:
What's everyone's opinion on using overgrown plates? I had some family in town for a week and couldn't get to my plates that I probably let go too long beforehand anyway. I've always just tossed them and started over but thought I'd ask to see if I can save some plates. They were all clean prior to being overgrown.




Hot pour if there's enough room... it will help bring the hardiest hyphea into the light...



:waitthatsbad:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: raccoon_cat] * 3
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raccoon_cat said:
Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do to improve my success rate with agar wedge inoculation of grain jars in a SAB? So far I'm having a ~10% success rate. Most of the time I get trich within a few days.

My plates are probably bacterial, but they don't have any visible trich when I'm trying to transfer from them. Is that a safe assumption that if I don't see trich on the plate, it's coming from the air or my skin during the inoculation process? Or can trich hide like some other contaminants?

I use an alcohol lamp just to the side of my SAB to flame the scalpel. I hold it over it til it glows, then bring it inside the SAB to cool off. I've just been holding it in the SAB to cool off since unlike with an agar transfer, I don't have a blank plate to cool the blade off in. Maybe I should start doing that though. Once the blade has cooled a bit, I lift the lid off my donor plate and cut out a wedge. My cutting is probably sloppy, I'll admit. Then, I take the (already loosened) lid off the receiving jar and drop the wedge in. The wedge is probably exposed within the SAB for 5-10 seconds because I don't have my technique down super well yet. Also sometimes I think I've loosened the lid more than I actually have, so I sit there fumbling with it one handed while holding the scalpel. Not great.

Sorry for the not-so-quick question but if I were to TL;DR - how get lower contam rate during agar wedge inoculation in a SAB? If anyone knows of a good video specific to this process in a SAB, I would love to watch it. So far, after a decent amount of searching, I've only found videos using flow hoods, or SAB videos where they use LC and not agar. What would really help would be to see how "the pros" do it in a SAB.




hey there! unfortunately this isn't always an easily open & shut case. ime, contam issues can be tricky to track down, as there are many things that can lead to a single symptom. there are a lot of reasons a jar can go south; for example, what filters are you using for your lids? i legitimately can ONLY use full sized SFDs with a gasket to seal the lids, otherwise i get moldy jars. i've done side by side tests & without fail, the jars without a proper seal mold out while jars that seal on the rim stay sterile. sounds crazy, but it's true so :shrug:

is there a fan, or air conditioning running while you're doing sterile work? or any sort of draft at all? are you working really close to the front of your SAB? are your arm holes large, or too small thus causing air currents? are your grains being sterilized properly? perhaps you are venting your pressure cooker for an insufficient amount of time? are your grains properly hydrated? maybe you sneezed too many times in your grow room. oh, which planets are in retrograde again??

you seem like you've done your homework, & your methods  in the SAB sound solid to me (assuming you're not doing something egregiously wrong without realizing it.) biggest rule for me personally with the SAB was to not hover or hold anything above something i wanted to stay sterile. i feel like i was pretty sloppy in my SAB days over all & still rarely saw mold in jars. & honestly, you'd be surprised with how many fumbles most of us here get away with lol. most outright contams in jars could be traced back to me bumping the SAB, or forgetting to turn off my AC unit, or dropping something etc. not saying that you couldn't be doing something wrong while transferring, but i feel like if your agar plates generally look clean then your jars shouldn't be any worse. definitely not 90% failure types of worse- unless your plates are actual dog shit, you'd think you'd get lucky at least some of the time. have you done blank transfers to rule that out? as in, transferring blank wedges or 'inoculating' grain jars with blank wedges? imo is a good way to at least test your techniques (assuming it isn't a filtering/sterilizing/draft issue). does stuff stay sterile on the shelf? plates & jars should never show mold if everything is working correctly. i've had jars stay sterile for months before use in tests i've done. sterlized in vitro things should always come up clean.

i doubt cooling your scalpel in a plate will make a difference, & many here would probably recommend that you don't do that. i think it's fine, but tbh i'll usually cool it toward the edge of the donor plate/right where i'm taking the transfer if i feel i need to cool it more than giving it 10-20 seconds before diving in. in an SAB, more movements mean more chances to fuck things up, so i think it's better to not dive into a plate twice if you don't have to.

this can be a pretty complex problem so don't be surprised if you get in the weeds a bit. my PMs are always open too if you need someone to bounce ideas off of!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: northsidetyrant]
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northsidetyrant said:
Going to bed soon but thank you! I will check this out tmro and yes I did alot of research before hand and have lab experience so I kinda went balls deep into the hobby but now am just realizing the potential for lost $ lol



Totes aren't a waste, they're great for storing things, also can probably sell online if need to.

Hell, you can store all your shroom stuff in them to keep it organized. haha.

This may answer some commonly asked questions.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27646632#27646632

Read it, then ask here, and if there's anything you can't get an answer for DM me and I may know who has the answer.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
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Packerbacker12 said:
What's everyone's opinion on using overgrown plates? I had some family in town for a week and couldn't get to my plates that I probably let go too long beforehand anyway. I've always just tossed them and started over but thought I'd ask to see if I can save some plates. They were all clean prior to being overgrown.



I have transfered from ancient (months old) plates many times and can't remember a loss or a noticable difference in later performance. An extra week would almost certainly doesn't matter.

I probably wouldn't go directly to grain with a very old plate - hard to know without seeing it growing on agar if the culture is still in good enough shape, so it's worth the extra time. But a month or maybe two I probably wouldn't think twice about even for grain. Take wedges inside from the edges in case the plate wrap got punctured.

LewDoja said:
Hot pour if there's enough room... it will help bring the hardiest hyphea into the light...



Lew, you seem to really love hot pouring! I'll have to give it a try some time. Usually when I'm pouring, I've made exactly enough to pour couple sleeves of plates (and that's also as much as I'd want to fill the bottle). Next time maybe I'll just make an extra bottle for some hot pour trials. :smile:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: raccoon_cat] * 2
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raccoon_cat said:
Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do to improve my success rate with agar wedge inoculation of grain jars in a SAB? So far I'm having a ~10% success rate. Most of the time I get trich within a few days.

My plates are probably bacterial, but they don't have any visible trich when I'm trying to transfer from them. Is that a safe assumption that if I don't see trich on the plate, it's coming from the air or my skin during the inoculation process? Or can trich hide like some other contaminants?



Trichoderma will make itself known pretty quickly on a plate - it has green spores.

I doubt it's your skin, unless you are hovering uncovered skin for a long time over the jar. If you're not already using gloves, they are worthwhile, especially while you're unsure of your sterile technique.

Do your jars contaminate on their own if you don't inoculate them? Worth trying to shake them, too. Mold is killed at pretty low temperatures, so if this does happen, it's likely a failed lid filter rather than understerilizing the grain.

Otherwise, I'd guess that the air in your SAB is not actually still. Check for drafts in the room, make sure the flame is far enough away from the box that it doesn't cause convection or try to draw air from it, always wait a few minutes for the air to still after you set it up before using it, and make deliberate movements, fast enough to avoid sterile things being exposed for too long but not so fast you cause big air currents.

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I use an alcohol lamp just to the side of my SAB to flame the scalpel. I hold it over it til it glows, then bring it inside the SAB to cool off. I've just been holding it in the SAB to cool off since unlike with an agar transfer, I don't have a blank plate to cool the blade off in. Maybe I should start doing that though.



You can just cut directly into the donor plate. It will kill some negligible number of cells compared to the total number in the wedge.

Another potential vector that comes to mind is you may not be flaming every part of the scalpel blade and handle that comes in contact with the wedge you lift or hovers over the jar. I like to wipe with an iso soaked towel just to remove any loose particles and spores, then make sure to flame a bit of the handle near the blade. No need to make any part of the handle glow. When dropping the wedge in, avoid tapping or violent flicking. Just use the sterile inner surface of the jar rim to deposit the wedge (it will usually fall).

Oh, one more tip: a small wedge works and is easier to pick up than a large one. It might take another day or two to colonize, but shaking after a few cm of growth will speed it along.

Oof, sorry this was not a quick answer. Note to self: no more posting on this thread while stoned.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon] * 1
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Great tips :amanita2:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
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Life happened and I kinda screwed up my first harvest by not being home when the spores dropped so I missed it by 3 days. I had tried one mushroom from the grow before the spores dropped and got high from it, so I know there should have been potency in them then.

So I harvested the mushrooms that at that point looked fairly black and had gotten a bit wet/slimey, and dried them at 70c for 16hours in my oven (Yes I know get a dehydrater, I am going to get it) with open lid and with the oven fan blasting (verified the temprature with a probe). In the end the dried mushrooms look almost charcoal black, but if you take a nibble of it, it doesn't taste burnt at all. I don't know if I have just tried too small dosages but I don't seem to be getting any effect from them now? I chopped up 1.5g yesterday and let it steep in lemon juice for 30 minutes and didn't really get much of an effect.

Did I just take too small of a dosage, did I ruin it by letting them drop the spores and still wait for a few days, or drying them at too high of a temperature?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Circumstances]
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Circumstances said:
Life happened and I kinda screwed up my first harvest by not being home when the spores dropped so I missed it by 3 days. I had tried one mushroom from the grow before the spores dropped and got high from it, so I know there should have been potency in them then.

So I harvested the mushrooms that at that point looked fairly black and had gotten a bit wet/slimey, and dried them at 70c for 16hours in my oven (Yes I know get a dehydrater, I am going to get it) with open lid and with the oven fan blasting (verified the temprature with a probe). In the end the dried mushrooms look almost charcoal black, but if you take a nibble of it, it doesn't taste burnt at all. I don't know if I have just tried too small dosages but I don't seem to be getting any effect from them now? I chopped up 1.5g yesterday and let it steep in lemon juice for 30 minutes and didn't really get much of an effect.

Did I just take too small of a dosage, did I ruin it by letting them drop the spores and still wait for a few days, or drying them at too high of a temperature?



1.5 grams of dried done with lemon tek should have been enough to give a nice little trip. Depending what you ate, you should have felt that within 20 minutes.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AZ Starman2112] * 3
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If the dried mushrooms went black during drying they're now going to be bunk.

You didn't dry correctly, the oven has to be open with a fan pointing at the door.
If you don't remove the excess moisture you're essentially boiling your mushrooms in their own juices.

I've done this in the past by mistake when I bumped the oven door closed and ruined 250g of PR.
Ultimately an oven isn't the best way to dry so you have to be aware of what could happen.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: DERRAYLD]
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DERRAYLD said:
If the dried mushrooms went black during drying they're now going to be bunk.

You didn't dry correctly, the oven has to be open with a fan pointing at the door.
If you don't remove the excess moisture you're essentially boiling your mushrooms in their own juices.

I've done this in the past by mistake when I bumped the oven door closed and ruined 250g of PR.
Ultimately an oven isn't the best way to dry so you have to be aware of what could happen.





Well they started out as fairly blackish from all the spores, but yea I guess they are just trash now. Oh well you live and you learn, next flush i'll be sure to have a food dehydrator.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Circumstances] * 3
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It's unfortunate, see it as school fees and learn from it.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: DERRAYLD]
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Is it ok to sterilise foil wrapped cotton tips in a modified jar with an sfd or will the steam cause problems?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: The Ferryman] * 2
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should be fine, i've even just had them wrapped in foil in small bunches, then wrapped in more foil


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: The Ferryman] * 2
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Sillysighbean said:
Is it ok to sterilise foil wrapped cotton tips in a modified jar with an sfd or will the steam cause problems?




For $7 on Amazon you could just buy a box of 200 indiviually wrapped sterile 6 inch wooden cotton tipped swabs for wound care and cultures.

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