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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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ThurmanMurman said:
Mr Piggy said:
Venting is all done before the cycle starts.  You do not start the clock until 10-15 minutes of real deal vent fully open venting.  Only after that point do you flip your switch or put on your weight and start the clock.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 4
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ThurmanMurman said:
Mr Piggy said:
Venting is all done before the cycle starts.  You do not start the clock until 10-15 minutes of real deal vent fully open venting.  Only after that point do you flip your switch or put on your weight and start the clock.


Stipe! Stipe! Stiiiipe!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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Mr Piggy said:
I'm just forking your crust homie



fuck - got me again lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MycCycle] * 1
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MycCycle said:
Fauchinger said:
Question. I‘m using a pressure cooker with 13 PSI max. I sterilized some agar with it but completely forgot I needed to vent. The prepared plates didn’t contam so far. However those I have streaked are dealing with contamination around the inoculation areas.

I don’t get why the pre-inoculation plates are still contam free though, because not venting makes such a huge difference in effective temperature.

I have 12 plates stored in the fridge, are they good to use anyway or should I throw em out and just pour new ones (this time with correct venting)?



Just wanted to address the "not venting makes such a huge difference..."
It really depends on how your equipment is designed.

My setup has two main ways to vent — manually or automatically.

Automatic Venting

With automatic venting, I can attach a special valve. This valve seals the chamber around the boiling point — when it’s mostly steam inside. It takes the guesswork out of knowing when it’s ready.

Manual Venting

With manual venting, I use a ball valve. In this case, pressure can build up a lot more before the steam is fully purged — which is how I was able to reach a low temperature at high pressure.

The Issue with Weighted Vents

The kind of weighted vents some people use will hiss and slowly release pressure throughout the cycle. Over time, this does fill the chamber with steam, but:
• You don’t know exactly when it’s fully purged and ready to start the timer.
• If your heat source isn’t even, some areas may not reach proper temperature.

Why This Matters

Unless you vent properly at the start, you have no clear way to know:
• When to start your cycle timer, or
• Whether your contents are truly being sterilized.



(And btw, Faht, thanks for the answer in regards to the Melmac PE!)



I was about to link to some thread a smrt guy made about venting and temps at psi, then I realized it was you :lol:

Anyway: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=29174485&page=&vc=1


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
Changed said:
The Tao said:
No growth from wedges? What in the agar and what’s the actual temperature?


The Tao said:
No growth from wedges? What in the agar and what’s the actual temperature?


Golden Light DME, agar agar, water.

The wedges were kindly gifted from a user here, and they were quite well smashed in transit, so I took just a scrapping with a scalpel and transferred it.

Even now, it gets down to the 30's Fahrenheit at night here, and I keep my window open, so its probably in the 50s at night, and barely scrapping 70 outside during the day. Barely any humidity...




We're these the semps wedges from My giveaway?

If so

So far every one else that clamied has reported back positively.

I def saw some growth  between days 6-10.

Lmk if you run out of the sample without having any luck.

I have more.


Yeah, this is my first experiment at my new place, so who knows what's going on.

I put them in a room that is heated up to 70* to see if that jump starts things.

Edited by Changed (05/26/25 11:31 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said:
If you walk us through your inoculation process in detail we might be able to spot where it happened.


In theory everything was fine, I used an inoculation loop, flamed it, put in agar to cool down and scraped some spores from a print on foil, streaking the plate, then closing the lid. Streaking another and another, then wrapping them with clingwrap.

Truth is, the spore prints were first prints, because I have trouble producing more than just faint prints anyway. That’s the risky factor number one, number two is I didn’t just scrape some spores, I had to literally scratch the foil to get some of the faint grey bits that must have fallen from the gills out of pity for my feeble attempts at this.

I have to confess I made my last syringes about the same way, so inoculating agar from said syringes had about the same levels of contamination. I guess it’s not a big mystery where I went wrong

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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regarding wood lover's paralysis....

Mr Piggy said:
A bunch of people getting too high and freaking out is not proof to me.. .....


Alan Rockefeller, a guy who approaches shrooms more scientifically than most people (including having done genetic sequencing on many, and is very widely considered an expert in all things shrooms) is asked straight out about wood lover's paralysis in this Hamilton Morris podcast, "Do you think there's a chance it's not real?"

Alan says it's is real, and thousands of people have had it.

He says not all woodlovers cause it, only the cyanescens group.

He also talks about how difficult it would be do clinical testing due to regulations.

He said this one gives you woodlovers paralysis every time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_weraroa

Discussion of WLP starts at 32 minutes and 5 seconds:
https://hamiltonmorris.buzzsprout.com/1870388/episodes/14012377-the-future-of-fungi-with-alan-rockefeller

(You're probably going to say "appeal to authority logical fallacy!" now, but I'm not sure what evidence would even crack your stubborn certainty that WLP doesn't exist. But I trust Alan's knowledge a lot more than yours.)


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Edited by nektar61 (05/27/25 02:40 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61]
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nektar61 said:
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He said this one gives you woodlovers paralysis every time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_weraroa



^
19:12, really cool mushroom.

Not sure about WLP, I do recall another NZ crime pays vid w/ Alan on the tube, where one of the local hunters shows some, I think subs, at the bottom of a hill and he implied, IIRC, that this location gave WLP always too. Annoyingly I can't find that video right now. Not that it amounts to anything more than anecdote just like managing to upright a severely tripping homie doesnt disprove :lol:
:edit:
its this vid, 5:05

Edited by Lithop (05/27/25 02:47 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Lithop] * 3
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Quote:
He said this one gives you woodlovers paralysis every time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_weraroa


New Zealander here, as we say down under thats some bullshit :lol:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dkeppel]
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:lol:
Did you ever get lucky and spy some Weraroa in the wild, Dkeppel?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Lithop]
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Lithop said:
nektar61 said:
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He said this one gives you woodlovers paralysis every time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_weraroa



^
19:12, really cool mushroom.

Not sure about WLP, I do recall another NZ crime pays vid w/ Alan on the tube, where one of the local hunters shows some, I think subs, at the bottom of a hill and he implied, IIRC, that this location gave WLP always too. Annoyingly I can't find that video right now. Not that it amounts to anything more than anecdote just like managing to upright a severely tripping homie doesnt disprove :lol:
:edit:
its this vid I think, just looking for timestamp


The discussion of WLP I linked in the Morris podcast seems to touch for just a second on "maybe something in the natural substrate causing it", but wasn't definitive, and they veered off in a different direction, but I have heard that theory from less authoritative sources.

Back to the "it's just people getting too high", I could see how one could think that, I've been nearly incapacitated on 450+ micrograms of very good LSD at a Dead show.

I've seen a severely tripping homie on higher doses of LSD, I wouldn't call it paralysis,  but they weren't moving much and eyes had a thousand yard stare, and kind of clinging to the sofa a bit too hard. One guy we had to help with sips of water, he was obviously parched but couldn't move enough to get a glass and spilled the one time he tried.

I can see how one could explain WLP away with that, especially since woodies are much stronger than cubes.

But I think it exists. There is just too much self-reporting of WLP from people who have a lot of experience tripping, who would know the difference.

Dkeppel - New Zealender who says that one giving WLP every time is bullshit, please go to that part of the podcast and make sure I heard the species name correctly. I'd never heard of it and was going phonetically. And was he saying that species AT A PARTICULAR LOCATION ONLY? or the species in general?


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Edited by nektar61 (05/27/25 03:05 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 1
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I just had a listen.

You did hear the species correctly but Alan is retelling a story he has heard from someone local who says P. weraroa collected from one specific location, if eaten in large enough quantities always cause WLP.

Not that the species itself always causes WLP.

I don't know the location, but local rumors about WLP are that it's something to do with the substrate the mushrooms are found growing on.

I have never experienced WLP myself but I have heard the stories, usually the story is a large quantity of fresh fruit was consumed and someone has come down with WLP, and can't walk out of the bush.

I am honestly not sure if it's real or just people getting too high :shrug:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 1
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I've heard the episode although I didn't relisten right now. It was a good one.
But yeah, I don't have any stock in the existence of WLP or not, really.

As for the tripping too hard, all I was sayin was: that one experienced woodlover hunter on the internet on youtube saying WLP is real, and then Mr.Piggy another experienced woodlover hunter on the internet on shroomery saying WLP is fake both amount to roughly the same level of reliability.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Lithop]
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Pig and Arky, that was a very nice & civil discussion to read. Especially considering the topic haha.

Back to the WLP thingie: it kind of tickled me and I asked around a bit. Most people I share my shrooms with are really not into eating handfuls of fresh cyans or azures. But one of my best friends had a nice anecdote. He said he felt some real incapacitation when we ate 3 grams of dried cyans each, in a sauna, years ago. He just kept laughing hysterically and 'had' to hold on to furniture, or else he'd fall. Then he remembered another trip where he, and his gf at the time, actually couldn't move anymore, he experienced difficulty breathing, and had some real anxiety. Apparently his gf got so upset she had to throw up. They were about to call an ambulance. Turns out that was on a bag of mexicana fruits. I told them not to eat everything at once, but some people...

I'm afraid we will not exceed this level of discussion: anecdote vs anecdote. No one I asked experienced the same stuff I did on azurescens. The randomness is strong in this one.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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It's certainly not just a matter of potency.  Pans are very potent and I have not heard any pan growers talk about paralysis, even the ones that consume very large doses.

Also, I have dosed 100g fresh stones + 5g dried mexi fruits.  I don't recommend it but no paralysis.

1000ug dose of LSD, no paralysis personally.  Nor was it ever reported in Grof's LSD experiments, and some folks got dosed 2000ug in those.

Granted, I am not experienced with wood lovers. Partially because wood lovers paralysis scares the shit out of me. And partially because pans are just as potent if not more potent.

But, I'm just saying, there are a lot of people who have done very high doses on these boards of non-woodlovers without experiencing paralysis.

Earlier, someone did mention that after having experienced wood lovers paralysis, they then experienced it with other species.  If it is some sort of allergic reaction, it is possible that a person's immune system could be primed for this allergy due to high exposure from certain mushrooms, and that these allergens exist in very small quantities in other mushrooms.

Also, Genesis...

:ohyou:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Ouch, hope you recovered completely from that experience.
I am not saying it is a potency thing per se. I wouldn't describe mexicana fruits as particularly potent, but my friend experienced what he called 'paralysis' on those.

But 'atypical' symptoms on high doses of hallucinogens, well yeah, they happen. I've even seen people react pretty wildly to high doses of THC. Even Shulgin, in 'The Dread', described what I would call pretty adverse reactions to THC. I am not experienced enough with pans to say something about those. But reading back through my notes I was struck by the wild spectrum of substances that induced incapacitating effects in me. Azurescens being the most prominent, that's true.

I've eaten a lot of azurescens on a lot of different occasions, and adverse reactions didn't put me off. Or caused lasting effects, any health issues, and they certainly did not influence other mushroom trips.

And yeah, tropical pans are way more potent than woodlovers, haha. More than I thought


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 3
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If it's a substrate thing, maybe it would be more likely if I hadn't been growing my mexi on coir.

And yeah, they are not particularly potent, but five dry grams and then 100 g of fresh stones on top of it is a pretty high dose. 20 g of fresh tamp stones gets me to a level three or four pretty easily.

Makes me curious about tea tree pans when I grow them on wood:compost this summer.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Ive never had woodlovers but i think its more like couch lock than anything. Maybe anxiety inducing but not permanent.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Noob Plate Inoculation Question. When inoculating plates, what information do you write on the plate (as with a Sharpie), and what info do you write in a log book, if any, so that you're able to keep track of what you're doing? For instance, the date and source of the inoculant are two pieces of information that make sense to include. Based on your experience, what details about an inoculated plate are important to track?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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Oh no I absolutely did not want to downplay your experience. Just saying, I like mex for 'light' or 'public' trips. But my friend was off his rockers on it.

Which was meant to convey the message: this is all really subjective. In my group of friends, we've had this ongoing discussion about 'good' and 'bad' acid, when strictly speaking, it's all just acid. I've been so zooted on mescaline, that I looked like I had a stroke, the day after. But it's just mescaline. When I had some weird symptoms on azurescens, I read about wlp and thought hey, that might be it.
But now I lean more towards 'it's just shrooms'.


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