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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke] * 1
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AZ Starman2112 said:
Need help with these TTBVI plates. Every time I transfer to new plates, the plates start out great, but before they fully colonize literally overnight the plates look like these in my photo. The edges seem to dry out and look weird. I don’t think it is contamination, but I could be wrong. When I open to take transfers, the plates smell like healthy mycelium or mushrooms, so I know that is a good sign. Is this normal looking for TTBVI or not? Also I am using 16g LME, 20g agar and 1000ml water to make my plates. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!!!





I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV.  I would call those 'stalled out'.  The agar may be too thin dimensionally, or may have been too diluted. 

Also, Pans need extra nitrogen to thrive, and that means agar with peptone.


Puduwoke said:
Any thoughts on how well this would work to heat of my tent during the winter?

Have you seen anyone use something like this?:shrug:

https://www.amazon.com/HYDGOOHO-Thermostat-Fahrenheit-Germination-MET-Certified/dp/B082VQNVC4/ref=mp_s_a_1_16_sspa?crid=2T8MFUYXMPKIG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Tlzm4pR3Tx-Etmrvn_JBNXs-hz_dziJ5QF4KKMH51FT-GMzwPvghwpdbPIF26nqUxBw_ZcO_Qt-K3Ji5bOA6TW4LuzJ2KTIOJ8bNzXTelJypWcUyLKLwvANjhsS6rw8Hl4o-HMraNVgP7QWqeSya3Ri_9cPeuo4quuShOS3DJJGES87N_hqzX5dVz8yDW0plNN-BEfVfv-ag2721htZ0Xw.QngH5H-xoN5wVL7gL6TeMEExOUUSdyGZ0nnKShJoyik&dib_tag=se&keywords=heating+mat&qid=1747950444&sprefix=heating+mat%2Caps%2C208&sr=8-16-spons&xpid=eZb_ha-Doo8CP&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRmX25leHQ&psc=1



AARGH, as a 25 year enterprise infosec pro please understand that you are contaminating everyone who hits that link, with Amazon's tracking info.  That gigantic hash after the '?'.

You get exactly the same page if you eliminate everything from the '?', on.  The '?' is Amazon questioning who you is, and what you had done did befo, and what you will had doed after, especially if you use Chrome.  It's like a string of pearls to them.  This is also the case with eBay, G**gle, et al.  (Otherwise eBay is Ok)

Please be aware!!!  Sanitize your links as well as your tools.

And don't buy from Amazon because of their horrible treatment of staff.  And don't use G**gle, the Greatest Data Mining System In The History Of The Planet.  You would be shocked if you saw their 3D personality profile of you.  Use the Duck whenever possible -- not always as good for highly technical stuff, but it's my default.

Also recommend visiting everywhere with a VPN.  I am coming to you from CH, at an IP with 5,000 of my closest friends.  I use Proton for everything, including VPN (WireGuard), business & personal email, passwords, alias emails per site registered, disk storage, etc.  It does cost, but not alot for all you get... which could be everything.  Some sites, like HomeDespot and banking blackball VPN, so just switch away temp then back.

Finally, and this is going to sound paranoid but it's not, never show the fingerprint side of a finger.  I haven't seen anyone here do this yet fortunately.  Opsec.

We are on the right side of history peoples.  But history hasn't caught up just yet, and it could get alot worse with 47 in the seat.

Edited by Dr. Smoke (05/25/25 01:01 PM)

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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Sorry didn't know all this. Thanks for the info.

Time to get a VPN :rockon:

Edited by Puduwoke (05/25/25 12:59 PM)

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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Fix the link to protect others?

I've modified the hash in my quote.

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke] * 1
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Puduwoke said:
Edit: Does bisporus grow noticeably slower on agar than pan cyans? Mine seems to so thought I would ask :takingnotes:



I am really only now growing bisporus "regularly". Tree frog would know better, but my casual observation is
that the cyans #'s are doubled. Where something takes 5 days with cyans w/ bisporus it takes 10.

You could reach out to kirkeng too for question about bispo because that guy knows his shit.
He got me going with my latest rounds of them.


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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Asura]
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Thank you yet again Asura:hug:

Since I have you on the line. I can't get a decent photo. Put I did shake my jars a bit hard and now two of them have blue/greenish bits in one single place.

It does happen pan mycelium bruising blue right? The rest of the jar looks amazing though. Think it's just bruising and I'm yet again overthinking :shrug:

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Puduwoke]
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Gee Asura, I hope for your sake Puduwoke's a :female2:... {blushes}

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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Dr. Smoke said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
Need help with these TTBVI plates. Every time I transfer to new plates, the plates start out great, but before they fully colonize literally overnight the plates look like these in my photo. The edges seem to dry out and look weird. I don’t think it is contamination, but I could be wrong. When I open to take transfers, the plates smell like healthy mycelium or mushrooms, so I know that is a good sign. Is this normal looking for TTBVI or not? Also I am using 16g LME, 20g agar and 1000ml water to make my plates. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!!!





I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV.  I would call those 'stalled out'.  The agar may be too thin dimensionally, or may have been too diluted. 

Also, Pans need extra nitrogen to thrive, and that means agar with peptone.



Thanks for the info Doc. I don’t have peptone in my agar plates, but the recipe for these is 16g LME, 20g agar & 1000ml water. These plates have been hosting pretty much everything I’m doing at the moment, and Pan Cyan Peace River, Ochra/Nats & P Mex Galindoi are the other things I’ve got on them besides cubes. Those are all doing great. It’s just the TTBVI that I keep running into this stall. Someone said cut my LME in half and someone else mentioned not to let the plates go much bigger than a quarter or half dollar in size and then take either more transfers or if clean drop to grain. Any suggestions on the info I was given or should I just add peptone to my recipe, and how much? TIA!

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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My thought is these cultures are fine;  just stalled.  Different strains have different needs.  I would innoc with them and see what happens, but there is def a problem with your agar WRT TTBVI.

I've bought my mix for pans with peptone on eBat.  Haven't received it yet, much less tried, but am very optimistic.

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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AZ Starman2112 said:
Thanks for the info Doc. I don’t have peptone in my agar plates, but the recipe for these is 16g LME, 20g agar & 1000ml water. These plates have been hosting pretty much everything I’m doing at the moment, and Pan Cyan Peace River, Ochra/Nats & P Mex Galindoi are the other things I’ve got on them besides cubes. Those are all doing great. It’s just the TTBVI that I keep running into this stall. Someone said cut my LME in half and someone else mentioned not to let the plates go much bigger than a quarter or half dollar in size and then take either more transfers or if clean drop to grain. Any suggestions on the info I was given or should I just add peptone to my recipe, and how much? TIA!



I use the exact same recipe(2% agar agar 1,6% DME) as you and use it for everything, well I also have some water agar plates. I am using distilled water and pans look like this.






I agree that a little nitrogen doesn't hurt anything and might be worth a shot, but certainly not needed.


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
― Terry Pratchett


Edited by Kloakk (05/26/25 01:16 AM)

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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@Kloakk and @AZ Starman2112

Your over thinking it guys. Don't worry about nitrogen or whatever, try half the nutes.

0.5 to 1% is what is recommend for pans, trust me it will make your plates easier to read :super:

Edit: Sorry Kloakk, your shits clean! Low nutes will help thin growth out and keep it organized if you do have any problems with weird growth, stalling etc on pan plates :awesomenod:

AZ Starman2112 try the low nutrient agar, if that doesn't help I'd start again.

Edited by Dkeppel (05/26/25 01:47 AM)

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Dkeppel] * 1
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Dkeppel said:
@Kloakk and @AZ Starman2112

Your over thinking it guys. Don't worry about nitrogen or whatever, try half the nutes.

0.5 to 1% is what is recommend for pans, trust me it will make your plates easier to read :super:

Edit: Sorry Kloakk, your shits clean! Low nutes will help thin growth out and keep it organized if you do have any problems with weird growth, stalling etc on pan plates :awesomenod:

AZ Starman2112 try the low nutrient agar, if that doesn't help I'd start again.



Thanks for checking out my shit, glad it got cleared. And I have done a lot of 0,5% plates for pans, of course I'm always on that more for less train and like to avoid doing several agar recipes, but I've also found that using the 1,6% makes it easier to spot overlaying pan mycelium.

I also have some 1,6% DME plates with fermaid O(organic nitrogen from yeast autolysis) just to see if it made a difference, and I am now using it to help weak mycelium get an upper hand, I have no noteworthy yet, but it might be useful.

No fermaid O


With fermaid O


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
― Terry Pratchett


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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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How embarrassing :uhoh:

No one needs to check your plates, I didn't even blow them up!

I added the edit part because I was worried you might think I was implying something was wrong with the plates.

I see the name Kloakk and I expect perfection!

:chefskiss:

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Dkeppel]
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Dkeppel said:
How embarrassing :uhoh:

No one needs to check your plates, I didn't even blow them up!

I added the edit part because I was worried you might think I was implying something was wrong with the plates.

I see the name Kloakk and I expect perfection!

:chefskiss:



:lol: What was the line again:strokebeard: Aahhh yes now I remember "I'm having you on a bit"


In all seriousness tho, I always feel better when someone I really respect(like you) in these halls confirms my shit so keep it coming :hug: There is nothing perfect about anything I do and I am known for overthinking all the time, but I try not to get in my own way or be sloppy and so far it's saved me a lot of headache I think :muppet:


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
Dkeppel said:
@Kloakk and @AZ Starman2112

Your over thinking it guys. Don't worry about nitrogen or whatever, try half the nutes.

0.5 to 1% is what is recommend for pans, trust me it will make your plates easier to read :super:

Edit: Sorry Kloakk, your shits clean! Low nutes will help thin growth out and keep it organized if you do have any problems with weird growth, stalling etc on pan plates :awesomenod:

AZ Starman2112 try the low nutrient agar, if that doesn't help I'd start again.



Thanks for checking out my shit, glad it got cleared. And I have done a lot of 0,5% plates for pans, of course I'm always on that more for less train and like to avoid doing several agar recipes, but I've also found that using the 1,6% makes it easier to spot overlaying pan mycelium.

I also have some 1,6% DME plates with fermaid O(organic nitrogen from yeast autolysis) just to see if it made a difference, and I am now using it to help weak mycelium get an upper hand, I have no noteworthy yet, but it might be useful.

No fermaid O


With fermaid O





:headbanger:  ik this the pan thread but i love that culture.. just revived it myself and its almost through a CS for good measure

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: fahtster]
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fahtster said:
:headbanger:  ik this the pan thread but i love that culture.. just revived it myself and its almost through a CS for good measure




Reply


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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Kloakk]
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Guys thanks for the reply’s.

@dkeppel - I agree with what Kloakk said, we appreciate when guys like you & fahtster that have been here a while check our stuff out and give/share your wisdom.

So just to be clear, I’m gonna make plates with my same recipe, but drop my LME to either 10g or 5g instead of 16g. This will give me the 1.0 to .5% low nute plates I am looking for. I got time today to do this. I stopped adding food coloring to my plates, but to differentiate I’ll probably add a drop of blue to each bottle instead of three drops since I had better results with blue.

@kloakk - I looked up the fermaid o. It seems like it’s a brewers yeast. I bought a bag of Anthony’s nutritional yeast flakes, but haven’t added it to any of my agar batches yet. Do you think that it could also be used in place of the fermaid o? How much were you adding to each batch since you are using the same recipe as me. Credit out to D3 for the agar recipe!

Also assuming that we wouldn’t use the yeast in a low nute plate, as dkeppel is saying?

And dkeppel, sorry I as well tend to overthink everything. It takes weeks and months to research certain purchases, and things I do. I don’t do anything half assed or as a rush job. I’m extremely methodical. It’s a big part of the reason I am cultivating. The shroomies are helping me with a lot of stuff in life.

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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AZ Starman2112 said:
@kloakk - I looked up the fermaid o. It seems like it’s a brewers yeast. I bought a bag of Anthony’s nutritional yeast flakes, but haven’t added it to any of my agar batches yet. Do you think that it could also be used in place of the fermaid o? How much were you adding to each batch since you are using the same recipe as me. Credit out to D3 for the agar recipe!





Yes, nutritional yeast is made the same way fermaid O is, also with brewer yeast(saccharomyces cerevisiae) so you should be good to use that, I haven't used it in low nutrient plates or with pans, but it could be worth to test it. With fermaid O I use 1g/1000ml.

After some searching on here it seems' a lot of folks do the same with nutritional yeast, but ask in the qq thread to be sure, because some use 2g/1000ml.


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
@kloakk - I looked up the fermaid o. It seems like it’s a brewers yeast. I bought a bag of Anthony’s nutritional yeast flakes, but haven’t added it to any of my agar batches yet. Do you think that it could also be used in place of the fermaid o? How much were you adding to each batch since you are using the same recipe as me. Credit out to D3 for the agar recipe!





Yes, nutritional yeast is made the same way fermaid O is, also with brewer yeast(saccharomyces cerevisiae) so you should be good to use that, I haven't used it in low nutrient plates or with pans, but it could be worth to test it. With fermaid O I use 1g/1000ml.

After some searching on here it seems' a lot of folks do the same with nutritional yeast, but ask in the qq thread to be sure, because some use 2g/1000ml.



D3’s tek did mention 1g per batch. I had a feeling that is what you were using. Don’t mind me for double checking. And yes, assuming that for pans we would go lower nutes, I’d also assume that we wouldn’t want to add more nutes, if we are taking away. Given that adding only 1g of yeast to a batch of agar, it is probably pretty strong stuff.

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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: AZ Starman2112] * 1
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AZ Starman2112 said:
D3’s tek did mention 1g per batch. I had a feeling that is what you were using. Don’t mind me for double checking. And yes, assuming that for pans we would go lower nutes, I’d also assume that we wouldn’t want to add more nutes, if we are taking away. Given that adding only 1g of yeast to a batch of agar, it is probably pretty strong stuff.



I've just started to use it so I don't know at this point. I've only done one pour with fermaid O, and that was mostly to see if the mycelium liked it. I did this because I'm looking for something I can add to my grain prep water to maybe get my jars colonizing faster and store some nitrogen with good bioavailability in the grains.

Now that I know mycelium grow denser, but not necessarily faster(on agar), I'm not sure what I'll be using it for if anything, to early to tell. Right now I'm only using it for some cultures that I feel are "off" without any visible contamination.

I am not suggesting you make 0,5% DME plates with nutritional yeast, Im saying you could pour some 1,6% plates with nutritional yeast and when you transfer some TTBVI to 0,5% plates, also do a transfer to the yeast nutritional plate to see if the mycelium behaves any different.

Edit: I don't know what you mean by "pretty strong stuff", but I don't think you could hurt the mycelium with a "overdose" with 1g/1000ml. In a pan substrate the nitrogen content will be a lot higher, they use what they need and move on.


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
― Terry Pratchett


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Re: Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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By strong stuff I just meant that you need a lot less of the yeast than you do LME to make a nutrient boost in the agar. 1g is like nothing compared to 16g.

I am going to make a .5 batch and a normal batch with the added yeast. I’ll experiment. I’ve got nothing to lose but plates and time.

Your suggestion of transferring to both type of plates is a good one.

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