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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder]
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Posted a thread about this but wanted more input and trying to find people with the skills/desire to help revive this mysterious Psilocybe. Found a few years ago, while I was in a bad place, no fresh pictures, collected over two years, I’m a small isolated spot. It was too dry to get prints, had a culture from stem butts, mycellium that was really aggressive, but it died off unfortunately.
These were found a few years ago, in December, both times, pre-pandemic, in a churchyard, Portland, Or metro area, in a woodchip bed that is probably 15-20’ square, but I. One little corner, growing out of what looked like mostly saw dust, with some chips and sticks, I figured they would spread….. but they didn’t, crazy because when I had them going, they were extremely aggressive. A compost pile was started on top of the one tiny corner next to the building, I think it might be possible that I was on camera the second year and someone investigated what I was doing, found the mushrooms I left behind, and did something to kill the patch… since the next year after, all that has grown there are Stropharia ambigua. These are annulate, with membranous veil, I have handled many thousands of P. ovoideocystidiata, they did not look like any ovoids I’ve ever seen… the cap color was much more like cyanescens or azurescens, an orangey caramel brown, not the dull brown/olive color of ovoideocystidiata.



























Here is the link to my post on these

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29086997/page/2

I’d prefer responses there or in my PMs if interested in a sample to attempt resurrection of this mushroom.
Thanks!

Edited by Siphonophorest (01/17/25 11:48 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Siphonophorest] * 1
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Looks like dried cyan?


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 8
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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 1
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so how much grain spawn is in a bag with sterilized wood chips, it looks like it's mostly grain spawn still.

i'd been doing 1 quart spawn:9lbs sterilized wood chips.

and did you boil the wood chips that you're spawning to in those shoeboxes? or just soaked wood chips.?
 

^This is from The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek

I'm wondering what you all think about boiling wood chips in a setup like this.
These could colonize in tubs or buckets.
What would be the best temperature for this colonization?  Inside, or more like garage temperatures (cooler but kept from freezing)?

Considering going from grain spawn to boiled wood chips in totes.

also will do grain to sterilized wood chips in bags, then that wood chip spawn could work better for boiled wood chips in tubs, i'm thinking...

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Has anyone tested using chilled water to see if that will help promote woodlovers to fruit better indoors? I.e having an insulated GR and the having the humidity kept high with a mist that's cold.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 2
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You must have missed that they are annulate, with a membranous veil, like cubensis, rather than a cortina, like Psilocybe cyanescens and azurescens have, this is why I mentioned the extensive experience I have with P. ovoideocystidiata, so people just didn’t assume they were ovoids… They are also MUCH more substantial in nature, than most woodloving Psilocybes I have seen. Drying to be significantly more chunky. They also had much more stem to cap ratio than cyanescens, which are generally pretty cap heavy, I’m extremely surprised how little interest this has generated. I figured I’d have to vet the people I actually sent samples out too.
I will post some shots comparing them with cyans and azures and ovoids.
They are among the strongest bruising mushrooms I ever encountered.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] * 8
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Here are some of the massive azurescens that my efforts produced this fall. These were the last ones I harvested, kinda beat up by weather… will post more later, they are glorious.









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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Siphonophorest] * 1
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The AA pressure sterilizer 1915x is on sale for $300.  Their larger sterilizers have been sold out for I think over a year.

Not going to lie, i'm not looking forward to pressure cooking bags of wood chips again.  Tired of leaky prestos and burned bags and jar rings placed around the edges.

Would have assumed a bigger size is what I'd want, but i'm wondering, with the aluminum liner in this 1915x,  would it still it 7 quart jars?  How about an XLS filter patch bag?
A presto can only fit one XLS bag anyway, so i'm thinking this could be nicer and last longer.

I assume I could modify the pressure relief valve to allow for regular food canning?

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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I have 2 pc’s. The standard 23 qt presto and a presto 12 qt pressure canner. The 12 qt doesn’t fit an xl bag. It will accommodate a large however. I agree sterilizing wood chips is kind of a bottleneck. I’ve mostly been running large bags in the electric canner. I can get it started and go to sleep, no babysitting. In the morning I can get it going and leave the house for work. It does require something to keep the bags from direct contact with the inside of the vessel. Sometimes thats jar rings sometimes balls of aluminum foil.  I’m not sure there is an easy way to get it done but this allows me to get 2 large bags done in 1 day. I saw a thread recently where a guy had rigged an electric hotplate with a timer. I’m going to give this a go myself so I would be able to run xl bags in the 23 qt unsupervised. ( after venting and reducing temp/ stabilizing pressure @ 17 ish psi)


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Edited by Blopblop (01/19/25 02:33 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: syllable]
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syllable said:
Has anyone tested using chilled water to see if that will help promote woodlovers to fruit better indoors? I.e having an insulated GR and the having the humidity kept high with a mist that's cold.


Check out older posts by Holofractal. He was fruiting cold weather woodlovers indoors. Iirc it was a hassle though and involved a modified wine fridge.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 4
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I hardly mist these wavzzies but I keep the water at basement temps


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: rhizoRider]
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Hey Rhizo, what are you growing those on? Kinda looks like bagged mulch? Pretty f’n cool getting those to fruit inside!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Siphonophorest] * 1
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Those azures are gorgeous! I seldom get them to / near that size. Heaviest was 18 grams wet. What do those weigh if I may ask?

As for the unknown species. I think, just speaking for myself here, that the mycelium you're growing looks like a very unlikely canidate. Not to be rude or whatever. Intriguing story and yes, those dried shrooms look a lot like cyans. But my cyans never have weird loops in their stipes. And those stipes are godawful thick. You might have something really interesting there. 'Unknown woodlover' immediately had me by the balls.
It's just that the mycelium you're showing doesn't even vaguely resemble the mycelium of anything I've ever grown. I think most people here are raring to go with any novelty or unknown. But that mycelium screams 'contam' to me.
Have you tried putting gill fragments to water agar?

Edit: I checked and apparently they are loopier than I thought.



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Edited by Churpee Choozle (01/19/25 02:29 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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Generic said:


The AA pressure sterilizer 1915x is on sale for $300.  Their larger sterilizers have been sold out for I think over a year.

Not going to lie, i'm not looking forward to pressure cooking bags of wood chips again.  Tired of leaky prestos and burned bags and jar rings placed around the edges.

Would have assumed a bigger size is what I'd want, but i'm wondering, with the aluminum liner in this 1915x,  would it still it 7 quart jars?  How about an XLS filter patch bag?
A presto can only fit one XLS bag anyway, so i'm thinking this could be nicer and last longer.

I assume I could modify the pressure relief valve to allow for regular food canning?


I have one of my own. It's a great unit. You don't use the metal liner, remove it. I also remove the metal steam tube on the interior of the lid. It's threaded an easy to remove with a wrench. No need to modify the valve, thatsone of it's defining features.

I do the same for the 75x.

As you can see here, just use spacers and a trivet to run your load the same way you would in a presto:



Removing the metal basket is the only way you'll be able to run any meaningfuly sized cycles.



When the basket is removed there's no longer any need for the tube. I unscrew it an store it in a shoebox with other miscellaneous cult stuff.

Iirc it will fit 7 jars. I wouldn't use xls bags, they're too big. I'd run 3t. Also, be sure to apply petroleum jelly to the metal/metal seal to prevent leaks over time.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Blopblop] * 1
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These in tote are from jars of maple and ash expanded to scotts mulch


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: syllable] * 4
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syllable said:
Has anyone tested using chilled water to see if that will help promote woodlovers to fruit better indoors? I.e having an insulated GR and the having the humidity kept high with a mist that's cold.


Cold shocking doesn't generally trigging pinning.  Consistent environmental conditions that trigger pinning, trigger pinning.


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"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 8
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This is something I'm quite proud of. My friend gave me some bacterial Azure liquid culture. It was so bacterial that when I put a drop to agar and spread it around with a sterile Q-tip it only grew biofilm.

I put some LC to a BRF puck, let some mycelium show and transfered that to agar. This is my first transfer from that BRF/Agar plate. It looks pretty clean to me!



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Edited by PuffM4gicDr4gon (01/21/25 11:08 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe, thanks so much for that response!

Stipe-n Cap said:
Iirc it will fit 7 jars. I wouldn't use xls bags, they're too big. I'd run 3t.


Would you recommend 3t bags instead of xls bags because of the cooking time required for sterilization being longer on the xls bags? or because they fit better and more efficiently into the small, 915x?

I'd been running 9lbs of hydrated wood chips for up to 4 hours @ 15psi because lower times weren't rendering the chips sterile (or my quart jars of spawn to xls bags of chips technique was flawed... very possible).  4hrs seems absurd to me and maybe I should just use smaller bags.

Stipe-n Cap said:
You don't use the metal liner, remove it. I also remove the metal steam tube on the interior of the lid. It's threaded an easy to remove with a wrench. No need to modify the valve, thats one of it's defining features.



bummer, i thought those aluminum liners would be solving a problem; that the bags can't touch the pressure cooker walls or they might melt, and they need a buffer from the walls (in my case usually in the form of mason jar rings)..  but it seems like mason jar lids or tin foil is more space efficient?

If i don't want the liner, and I want to remove the tube, and all I want is the control valve(part no. 65), it seems better to buy a regular pressure cooker and convert it into a *sterilizer* by buying part no. 65, the control valve, and only installing that.

I'm thinking that i'd still rather do xls bags with longer run times rather than loading more bags for shorter run times, but what do you think, in terms of resources used, is it better to use more plastic bags (3t) and less gas, or more gas(longer run times), and less plastic bags?

I'm leaning toward a 941 or 930 with 2 or more xls bags being more efficient. how does that sound... so open to suggestions.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Generic]
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You might as well get the larger unit, you'll grow out of the smaller one pretty quickly. I pretty much only use mine for running liquids. As far as bag melting, they won't melt unless you're using a gas stove with excessive btu.

The xls bags are too large for the smaller AA, use 3t. I do 4 hours for 3t spawn bags, but that's overkill for chips. The thick aluminum walls of the AA are excellent for running bags, no real need for spacers to prevent melting but may be beneficial for steam circulation.

Yeah, you can get a conversion kit, so if you can get a 941 and convert to 1941x for cheaper than a straight up sterilizer, go for it. Keep in mind the conversion kit is more than just the valve, it should also include replacement overpressure plugs. Perhaps something else as well? I don't recall atm; however, the sterilizer is superior to the canner, for our purposes.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Is there a list I can reference for what consistent environmental conditions are needed for woodlovers to fruit indoors.


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