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The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek * 23
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Hello bucket family.  Welcome to...


:cookiemonster:The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek:elmo:

 

(Hell - it's probably the 50th or 60th bucket tek by now...)

:zoidberg:

:petri: There are a hundred different ways to cultivate oyster mushrooms.  I don't claim to have the highest yielding method among them.  That said, many people want to expand their mush cult horizons who may not have the means, the indoor space, or the desire to start fruiting bags on a large scale indoors, or who don't have access to/space for/money for a greenhouse.  I DO believe that buckets both offer a very high output potential, and allow for a stackable solution for someone who has vertical space on a patio or deck, their garage, or in their yard space (or indoors if they'd like). 
:petri: Oysters are among the hardiest mushrooms you can cultivate.  People overthink the process, and thus often miss out on some of the aspects of cultivating them that - IMHO - make them so fun to grow: the ability to utilize a vast array of what would otherwise be waste materials for substrate, being able to prep the materials quickly and easily,  and upcycling containers (we'll focus mostly on buckets here) to make wonderful, reusable, easy,-to-clean cultivation vessels.  I live in a place where everything is fairly expensive, and love that - aside from a few petty initial investments - growing oysters costs me nothing more than my time, and enough gas (or electric - as most of you probably use) to prep the materials. 
:petri: Obviously, people have been growing oysters for ages in buckets.  I'm not reinventing the wheel here.  What I aim to do is to offer a workable framework and a simple guide for people in the hopes that the way I do things resonates with their situation.  Everything on the Shroomery is a springboard.  I encourage people to first follow the tek as specified (there's enough wiggle room included already), and then to look for their own means for improvement once they've had some initial success.  If you follow this simple guide, you will.

Required Materials:


 

:petri: It may surprise you to know that a bucket is required.  Other containers can be used (and I encourage you to be creative with all future projects), but we're gonna concentrate on buckets here.  In the future, you can use anything big and plastic:

Pictured are buckets, water jugs, nail buckets, and an old vertical planter I made from a drum and use for growing lettuce.
:petri: Also pictured is a bag of oyster spawn.  This much is not necessary for spawning a bucket.  Believe it or not, you can spawn a 5gal with as little as a single qt.  Takes a little longer, but oyster mycelium moves very fast through the substrate (even in lower temps), and tends to just bulldoze any emergent molds trying to colonize the sub before it does.
:petri: Although you see my boiler basket in this photo (the large basket is inside of the pot), you can just toss the substrate materials in a big pot and drain well afterwards.  I like these setups because they're cheap, last forever, hold exactly enough sub for a 5gal, and are crazy easy to use when "dirty" pasteurization will do the trick.  Also is a great way to prep wood chips for a woodlover bed :derfase: FFR, and whatnot...

How to Construct a bucket:


 


:petri: Buckets are everywhere.  You can use buckets with a cracked bottom that people throw out.  Sanitize old paint buckets, reclaim that 20 year old bucket from the woods that has faded and warped and has a sapling growing through it, exercise dominance over that bucket your wife keeps a pair of gardening shears and one flipflop in behind the shed...  Just get one... or two...
:petri: Drill holes (ideally 1/4-3/8", although 1/2" is fine in a pinch) at staggered intervals along the bucket, 3-4" apart.  Spacing isn't crucial, but you want room for individual clusters to develop.  These clusters can be quite large.
:petri: Drill a few in the bottom (center).  When it's raining out and my fruits are developing, I keep the bags off (we'll get to that) - and this allows for drainage.  This also makes it not so crucial to drain your substrate perfectly after heat-treating:cookiemonster:
:petri: Pat yourself on the back.  You made a bucket with holes.  I knew you had it in you :sped:

Substrate Options:


:petri: Oysters will colonize nearly anything.  You can go and buy wood chips, compost, master's mix, etc, but the reality is that you don't need to (even if you live in a city).  I'll give you some examples of what sorts of reclaimed natural materials I use, and you can extrapolate and modify according to what grows or is discarded near you:
 

Oysters will grow on both softwoods and hardwoods, although they prefer hardwoods (especially) if using fresh chips.  Here are two kids of birch I find decomposing on the forest floor that are at the perfect state of decomposition to break up very quickly with my bare hands.  Look around for wood that breaks up easily, but is not too discolored.  It's fine if it's partly colonized with parasitic mycelium.  That will be killed during the heat treatment.
Be creative.  You'll slowly start to get an eye for spotting the right kind of stuff.  You can also check Craigslist or FB marketplace for chips and sawdust.  There are often mounds of it being given away.  Fresh, old... doesn't matter.  Steer clear of cedar and hemlock, but otherwise... Just find some wood and break it into small bits that are easy to pack tightly.  You don't want air gaps  from oversized material.  What you see pictured is a decent size.

 

Pictured are two things I harvest from my yard which make very nice substrate.  First picture is just "duff" from the area where my woodcutting area meets the wood-line.  I like the mix of the sawdust and the forest soil/decomposing leaf matter.  Next you see a wheelbarrow of wild grasses I broke down into small pieces.  I prefer to mix grass stalks and straw with something like sawdust, soil, compost, coir, old cube subs, etc so that it packs more tightly and retains water better, but it'll work on its own if you pack it tight when wet and slap that lid on.

 

You can also use coir, but it's expensive - so use it as a filler.  Use old cube subs instead and get two birds stoned at once.  Cardboard is great.
It holds moisture well, resists contamination, and is abundant in urban areas where natural byproducts are in short supply/high demand.  Small pieces, and mixed with smaller bits of material is better - but if you pack them tightly...  You get the picture.


Heat Treatment:


 


:petri: Any large pot loaded with the material and enough water to cover works fine.  You can even use another bucket with holes as a giant strainer if you don't have one.  You can prep it in two parts if you'd like.  Doesn't matter.  I like these boiler pots because I can cycle a lot of material quickly and remove the main basket to drain in my yard while it cools.  They are quite heavy when loaded, so keep that in mind if you have a set of glass wrists.  You can use three gallon buckets and a smaller pot if this project is beyond your ability in this regard.  The yield of one bucket (and the fact that you can get 3-5 flushes) makes it a trivial task, honestly.  We haul around stacks of tubs and loaded pressure cookers, so I assume this isn't a huge issue.  I myself have horrible arthritis though, so I get it...  Adjust as necessary.
:petri: Fill pan with materials, place on stove, and cover with water.  Allow to soak 20-30min.  After soak, turn your burner on, and heat until it starts to almost boil (it's fine if you go over.  There's a little wiggle room here.  You're just killing competitor fungi so the oyster myc can colonize.  These aren't cubes. 
:petri: Remove from heat and let cool while soaking or remove immediately and drain.  Do this in the yard, driveway, or wherever you can be a little messy.  When the material is close to room temperature (<90°f), it's time to layer your bucket.

Make a Cake:


   

:petri: Layer according to how much spawn you have.  If it's just a quart, use a little bit with each layer.  It goes quick, and a little goes a long way.  I use 1-3qts.  Depends on the species and circumstances.  No need to use more, and I wouldn't advise trying to using less.
:petri: Pop a can liner on top for colonization phase/initial pinning.  30gal is perfect.  Cheap is fine.  Doesn't matter the color.
:petri: Pop a lid on, or - if you don't have one - you can either put something flat on top of you're stacking multiples, or just go with the bag if doing a single.  I like having the lids though, or something on top.
:petri: Now you wait.  You'll want to pull the bag up and mist (with a bottle or the hose - doesn't matter) the holes once or twice a day throughout.  The wetter you keep the pins, the less aborts.  The wetter you keep the mature fruits, the bigger they'll grow.  A good mister bottle works great.  Only takes a second to mist a bucket.  Just mist the holes and replace the liner.  In 7-10 days generally, the bucket will be colonized and pinning.  Depends on the amount of spawn used.  After pins are an inch or so, remove the liner and mist three or four times a day until harvest.  If it's raining, you're off the hook.  Some varieties are more drought tolerant.  Hot weather demands more water.  I like to keep them behind the woodpile in the shade, but anywhere out of the sun is ideal. 

You want it in an area that retains local moisture.  Partly in the sun on a porch or deck is fine.  Just don't let it dry out. 

Harvest:



:petri: Harvest when the cap edges slightly upturn, or are fully splayed.  I don't like mine too mature.  Though only blues, pearls, poplar oysters,. and local wild oysters are pictured, I've grown golds and pinks both in these as well with equally good results.  I have to recover a couple cards worth of files and then I'll post some extra pics. 

Tips:



:petri: The wetter the better.  Keep the holes misted, then the pins, then the fruits.  Yes, automation is a miracle.  If you can't or don't have (or want) an indoor setup however, this will give you outstanding yields for minimal work (and virtually no investment).  Might as well do it right, so you end up with lots of mushrooms.  That brings me to...
:petri:. You're going to have a LOT of mushrooms.  Have a plan before you grow oysters (especially bulk setups,/buckets) to process what you grow.  You'll pull poundage with buckets, and you can only eat so many at a time.  They don't keep for long, but can be dehydrated, processed into mushroom salt, preserved, or sauteed in butter and frozen.  It's free protein bruh :shirtlesssoldier:. Don't let it go to waste.
:petri: All I do to clean my buckets is scrub them out in the creek and spray with a bleach solution right before layering.  They'd be fine without the bleach, but I'm an OCD all star, so there you have it... 
:petri: For subsequent flushes, treat as if colonizing: mist.  If they look really dry I take the bag off and soak the top between flushes and let it leech through a bit, but generally not until second or third flush.  Average is three flushes before a mold takes hold.  They make fantastic compost after that.  I mulch my strawberries with them, and they love it.
:petri: slice of even with the bucket any aborted clusters (there generally will be some) to up your chances of getting something from those fruiting sites in subsequent flushes.
:petri: I mentioned old cube subs before.  I can't impress enough how much they love (both) spent coir and manure subs - either alone or as an amendment/ingredient. 
:petri: Do a quick health check between flushes.  Molds generally start on the surface of the sub, and thus can be spotted easily.  A quick peek will tell you how much moisture you lost as well.  Wood chips, sawdust, compost, etc hold a fair bit of water typically.  By contrast, you can pretty much guarantee your all-straw sub will need some hydration post-flush.

Edited by alaskappalachian (01/08/25 03:30 PM)

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
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Nice write up. I like the use of old logs you can break up with your hands. Never tried using wood like that personally but it's a good idea.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian]
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Nice one dude, you’ve inspired me to do some bucket grows!
Definitely need a use for spent cube subs, do they work by themselves or do they need additional nutrient material?

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: 3.A.M] * 1
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Thanks guys!  3AM - you can totally use them on their own.  Oysters go bananas for an all-sub feast.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
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Nice write up.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: DERRAYLD]
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Would this work for lions mane? Great write-up!


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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: Mycodemus] * 1
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Thanks man.  It will work for lion's mane, but it seems to take more misting to keep them happy.  We have very low humidity most of the year though, and I never tried LM buckets like set into high grass to maintain a microclimate or something similar - so that might help.  Works though.  Bear's tooth didn't want to play ball though when I tried, but I'm sure the right culture + the right conditions would render it workable.  Works GREAT for reishi though if you prefer growing conks to antlers.  Some of my reishi cultures that I thought were trash because they wouldn't push a decent antler set turned out to be better suited for way more airflow and water outdoors in these.  Man, I gotta get busy on recovering some photos, because I'm sure I have some of both somewhere :strokebeard:

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian]
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I’ve only ever done sterilisation or lime pasteurisation, how long are you simmering for?

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: 3.A.M] * 1
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Well that depends on how forgetful I get lol.  TBH - I've taken internal, temp readings via probe of full baskets of dense material, and - as long as you hit 200+°f/93ish°c, you're gonna get that core temperature above what is required to cause the heat death of virtually any competitor mold.  That's really all I worry about, although you can go longer and it's just fine.  I've left pots of sub on for an hour at a boil and they work fine.  You're almost guaranteed a flush or two no matter what, because the oyster myc rolls like a tank.  On average I (after getting to a low boil) run it for maybe five or ten minutes and just let it cool off for a while and drain whenever it's convenient.  I tend to make these several at a time rapid fire so I'm harvesting the lot in a relative time-frame for consolidated processing, so I boil for a few or just hit boil and turn off and move to the backyard where the material sits in the water until I'm ready to process the next bucket (10-15min maybe).  I've lost maybe two buckets every 150 or so just getting up to heat-death temps and calling it good.  I think people in higher temperature zones might have more issues, but then again their subs would likely colonize days faster, so... that's probably relative. Maybe :stoned:

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian]
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That's cool. I've never pasteurized like that. I've always been ocd about water temp not exceeding 180. I wonder if wood chips are more forgiving than straw.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: deadmandave]
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Welllll I shouldn't even attach the monicker "pasteurization" to it at all.  I wouldn't just heat shock sub for anything else (save for maybe woodlover chips).  Oysters just colonize so damn quick, and are so, so competitive.  Seems to work though.  I think I've run like 250-275 of them this way, and lost virtually nothing.  When I did, I'm sure it was me ripping through xl bags and allowing nasty spawn into the rotation.  It's all conjecture though I suppose.  They just seem to work  :ancientaliens:

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian]
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Nice tek, gives me some good ideas!  Recently tried spawning pioppino to a bucket of straw, nothing so far but it hasn’t been too long.

Also spawned some oysters in a shopping bag the same day.  Fun stuff.

I will add one piece of advice; if you want free food grade 2-5 gallon buckets, politely ask at a donut shop or bakery.  You will have to clean the icing out of them, but that’s easy with hot water.


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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: yoosername]
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Thanks man.  Also: excellent advice on the donut shops and bakeries.  Great point.  Some restaurants are friendly to this as well and use large plastic buckets (both the round ones and the more squareish ones like bakeries often use.  These are all fantastic options, and - in bulk - buckets are getting crazy pricey for what they cost to make.

Also: that's cool about the bag oysters :rockon:  I love grocery bag fruiting!  I remember years ago reading - I want to say in Eatsyoualive's journals a grocery bag Tek for growing small amounts in his kitchen, and it's one of the things that got my wheels spinning about the different possibilities out there.

You know, I've wanted to try pioppino buckets too :strokebeard:. I think you'd probably end up with a large, stunted fruiting on top though, and wonder if there might be a way to prevent that to keep the colony from wasting it's energy.  Been reviving old pio cultures lately and might have to try that!

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian]
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Nice writeup, alaska! I'm just getting started on gourmets myself.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: wavyedge] * 1
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Thanks Wavy :hatsoff:. What are you running first?

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
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Got king oysters and shiitake going to bulk - 50/50 hwfp/soybean hulls - soon. Started some clones of a local Marasmuis oreades, supposed to be tasty but only one guy on here has fruited it afaict.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: wavyedge]
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When I did a bucket Tek last I guess I didn't pack it tight enough, substrate shrunk, all the fruiting bodies were just mushed together inside the bucket.

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: Rukus]
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Yeah it definitely helps to pack it good.  With something like straw, cardboard, etc that tend to leave air gaps and both gain and lose water quickly, especially.  Wood pellets, sawdust, cube subs, wood chips, compost, etc tend to pack much more tightly and not lose as much water before first flush.  I like mixing anything light and quick to wick/release with one of those.  Wishing you better luck next round :sunny:

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
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Thanks for this write-up

I've got a stand and a big pot to go over a fire and boil.
and there's a smaller stainless steel strainer thing that fits inside and would hold 7-9 gallons of wood chips.


I've read a lot of people say to not sterilize or boil chips for active woodlovers, but i know some wood chips have a lot of other fungi on them

i'm curious about using this method instead of pressure cooking wood chips in bags, to just boil wood chips like this and add grain spawn to create wood chip spawn for making beds with, either adding more raw chips or not...

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Re: The 49th Oyster Bucket Tek [Re: Generic]
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FWIW - I used this method to make outdoor beds for actives and they colonized just fine each time.  Now... my beds never fruited because my climate is insanely dry and turns into a blast freezer for like eight months, but a handful of my flowerpots did using the same method without issue.  But the heat treated material colonizes like clockwork.  Never an issue there. I'd say that just heat treating material for woodloving actives or oysters = just fine if the material is hydrated sufficiently for the internal mass of the chips to reach heat-death temps for competitor molds, but for anything else I'd do proper pasteurization (for sure) :thumbup:. Thanks for the read!

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