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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
Anyone ever done this?

I was near the end of a spore syringe (purchased from vendor) and I had some clean LME LC (hadn't been inoculated). So I decided to leave about 1ml of spore solution in the syringe and I flamed the needle and drew up 5ml of the LME liquid into the syringe and the rest with air from inside the LME jar then capped the syringe so that the syringe has 5ml of LC liquid and 5ml of air.

A week later, it was colonizing really well in an airtight syringe container! No visual signs of contams.

I thought it would stall out because there was no FAE at all, but it didn't... grew out really healthy and tested in on a few small pucks that grew out clean. Didn't test on agar and will, but nonetheless an interesting way to make a small syringe of LC.

I might try this at some point with cloning... Have 15ml LME in a 30ml syringe, poke a fruit and suck in hopefully some live mycelium and see what happens. Would be a pretty simple way to make clean LC with very low contam risk. Could even PC the syringe half filled with LME liquid and a needle so it's one easy step.



I had a similar idea when I thought that a syringe was necessary for LC - I basically wanted to make LC and put it in a 60ml syringe before sterilizing, then perform a Josex poke and use a jar of sterilized water to draw the myc into the syringe.

Conclusion - it's all over handling and the syringe isn't even necessary outside of the poke, if you go that route.

Not to say it's impossible though - make that shit happen, if it tickles your pickle. 🤘


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Bitchfist]
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Bitchfist said:
The plan was to just fruit in the bag. Cut the top open and leave it half sealed and give it FAE 3-4 times a day. It still has some small areas on the top that are not completely colonized. Should I let it wait about her couple days?



Sounds good. I would let it colonize every grain. Maybe you'll put it in soil next time? it's super easy

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Xclozure]
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Quick Question....

1st box ever, 66q, f'd up my sub ratio and ended up doing like a 1:5. Took a touch longer to colonize, etc, but flushed just fine =).

Yes, I did beat my sub up a bit on the 1st harvest until I perfected the pull and twist... thus why it might look like it was beat up a little =/.

This is the 2nd flush, and 1 of the fruits looks a bit brown?? Wtf is up with this guy?



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Romes]
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Looks like too much moisture or not enough fresh air exchange but I think it's pretty normal after a flush cus of the rehydrating

Edited by Xclozure (01/01/25 03:56 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KauaiOrca] * 2
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KauaiOrca said:
Anyone ever done this?

I was near the end of a spore syringe (purchased from vendor) and I had some clean LME LC (hadn't been inoculated). So I decided to leave about 1ml of spore solution in the syringe and I flamed the needle and drew up 5ml of the LME liquid into the syringe and the rest with air from inside the LME jar then capped the syringe so that the syringe has 5ml of LC liquid and 5ml of air.

A week later, it was colonizing really well in an airtight syringe container! No visual signs of contams.

I thought it would stall out because there was no FAE at all, but it didn't... grew out really healthy and tested in on a few small pucks that grew out clean. Didn't test on agar and will, but nonetheless an interesting way to make a small syringe of LC.

I might try this at some point with cloning... Have 15ml LME in a 30ml syringe, poke a fruit and suck in hopefully some live mycelium and see what happens. Would be a pretty simple way to make clean LC with very low contam risk. Could even PC the syringe half filled with LME liquid and a needle so it's one easy step.



No matter how few, spores are not sterile


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Xclozure]
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I suppose it could be too much moisture. I dried the box out accidentally by putting it near a vent (was thinking air circulation) during colonizing. So even though it's a monotub (set and forget when you dial it in?) I've been misting it a couple times per day. Seems to have brought some nice fruits, but yeah maybe I hit that one a bit too direct.

Appreciate the feedback, thanks!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Romes]
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I just think that fruit is weird cus its a second flush. But the fuzzy feet is what i'm noticing which is a sign of low FAE/too much moisture unless i'm incorrect. Does anyone know if his fuzzy feet looks normal? asking for myself lmao

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight]
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LadysKnight said:


No matter how few, spores are not sterile



I'll grow out a few pucks next week and we'll see.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KauaiOrca] * 2
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KauaiOrca said:
LadysKnight said:


No matter how few, spores are not sterile



I'll grow out a few pucks next week and we'll see.



Pucks are known to be good at defying bacteria. Try testing on agar to see if it's clean enough for grain. Or maybe if you're planning to just use it on brf, will be fine.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Xclozure]
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This was one of the grow bags that has the grain on the bottom where the liquid culture is injected. That as already been mixed into the soil part of the bag (top layer). I’m a first time grower so I haven’t tried anything else.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight]
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Bitchfist said:
This was one of the grow bags that has the grain on the bottom where the liquid culture is injected. That as already been mixed into the soil part of the bag (top layer). I’m a first time grower so I haven’t tried anything else.



LadysKnight said:
KauaiOrca said:
LadysKnight said:


No matter how few, spores are not sterile



I'll grow out a few pucks next week and we'll see.



Pucks are known to be good at defying bacteria. Try testing on agar to see if it's clean enough for grain. Or maybe if you're planning to just use it on brf, will be fine.



I've found that the way I grow... with pucks that I drop into PP5 bottles with RGS, they seem very resistant to contams. Rarely lose a bottle. If the puck looks reasonably healthy, I'd say 90% of the time it colonizes and fruits just fine and pretty quickly in the invitro bottles.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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With the selective puck step, I can see that working, but spore syringe + LC broth is still the worst way to start. There is bacteria in that syringe of warm sugar water multiplying much faster than the spores can germinate. You should actually get better results if sterile water was added to the syringe instead. Maybe rgs is more bacteria resistant than grain.


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It takes guts to be
gentle and kind

Another way to live

Your ego is your nemesis.
Seek the truth tirelessly,
Even at the cost of your own sanity.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight] * 1
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LadysKnight said:
With the selective puck step, I can see that working, but spore syringe + LC broth is still the worst way to start. There is bacteria in that syringe of warm sugar water multiplying much faster than the spores can germinate. You should actually get better results if sterile water was added to the syringe instead. Maybe rgs is more bacteria resistant than grain.



I agree with that and don't usually do this.  This was more of a "what the hell" kind of test. Totally spur of the moment as I had a small about of spore solution and a jar of sterilize LME liquid so I just stuck it in there to see what would happen.

I typically use clone tissue to start new pucks.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
LadysKnight said:
With the selective puck step, I can see that working, but spore syringe + LC broth is still the worst way to start. There is bacteria in that syringe of warm sugar water multiplying much faster than the spores can germinate. You should actually get better results if sterile water was added to the syringe instead. Maybe rgs is more bacteria resistant than grain.



I agree with that and don't usually do this.  This was more of a "what the hell" kind of test. Totally spur of the moment as I had a small about of spore solution and a jar of sterilize LME liquid so I just stuck it in there to see what would happen.

I typically use clone tissue to start new pucks.



Ain't a damn thing wrong with trying stuff. Can be educational. I think you're showing RGS is bacteria resistant.
:cheers:


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It takes guts to be
gentle and kind

Another way to live

Your ego is your nemesis.
Seek the truth tirelessly,
Even at the cost of your own sanity.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight] * 3
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LadysKnight said:
KauaiOrca said:
LadysKnight said:
With the selective puck step, I can see that working, but spore syringe + LC broth is still the worst way to start. There is bacteria in that syringe of warm sugar water multiplying much faster than the spores can germinate. You should actually get better results if sterile water was added to the syringe instead. Maybe rgs is more bacteria resistant than grain.



I agree with that and don't usually do this.  This was more of a "what the hell" kind of test. Totally spur of the moment as I had a small about of spore solution and a jar of sterilize LME liquid so I just stuck it in there to see what would happen.

I typically use clone tissue to start new pucks.



Ain't a damn thing wrong with trying stuff. Can be educational. I think you're showing RGS is bacteria resistant.
:cheers:



Not to butt in, but to piggy back on "trying stuff", this is 100% how I learn best. Even if someone tells me it will fail, if it's not too much of a loss to see it for myself, I'm not against doing it anyway just for learning purposes. Knowing =/= understanding. 🤣


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
LadysKnight said:
KauaiOrca said:
LadysKnight said:
With the selective puck step, I can see that working, but spore syringe + LC broth is still the worst way to start. There is bacteria in that syringe of warm sugar water multiplying much faster than the spores can germinate. You should actually get better results if sterile water was added to the syringe instead. Maybe rgs is more bacteria resistant than grain.



I agree with that and don't usually do this.  This was more of a "what the hell" kind of test. Totally spur of the moment as I had a small about of spore solution and a jar of sterilize LME liquid so I just stuck it in there to see what would happen.

I typically use clone tissue to start new pucks.



Ain't a damn thing wrong with trying stuff. Can be educational. I think you're showing RGS is bacteria resistant.
:cheers:



Not to butt in, but to piggy back on "trying stuff", this is 100% how I learn best. Even if someone tells me it will fail, if it's not too much of a loss to see it for myself, I'm not against doing it anyway just for learning purposes. Knowing =/= understanding. 🤣



How do other people do it? :shrug:


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It takes guts to be
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Seek the truth tirelessly,
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight]
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LadysKnight said:
KauaiOrca said:
LadysKnight said:
With the selective puck step, I can see that working, but spore syringe + LC broth is still the worst way to start. There is bacteria in that syringe of warm sugar water multiplying much faster than the spores can germinate. You should actually get better results if sterile water was added to the syringe instead. Maybe rgs is more bacteria resistant than grain.



I agree with that and don't usually do this.  This was more of a "what the hell" kind of test. Totally spur of the moment as I had a small about of spore solution and a jar of sterilize LME liquid so I just stuck it in there to see what would happen.

I typically use clone tissue to start new pucks.



Ain't a damn thing wrong with trying stuff. Can be educational. I think you're showing RGS is bacteria resistant.
:cheers:



I have found RGS, at least in small grows, meaning pucks and invitro PP5 containers tends to be more contam resistant or the contamination doesn't have time to do nearly the damage that larger spawn to bulk grows allow.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight]
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Idk. I didnt even finish my thought there. I need to stay off the boards when Im doing other things.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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:rockon:


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Seek the truth tirelessly,
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LadysKnight]
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Is the condensation in my Ziplock ok ore i need to open the Ziplock? I have poke holes in the Bag after transfer to Bulk.

Growth looks great!

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