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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 5
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ThurmanMurman said:
Mr Piggy said:
SupaThaRipper said:
Have you tried not venting and observed a difference?


Yes.  Once I learned proper venting I stopped having grain problems.


I cant imagine there's a scenario where 10min vent time wouldn't be enough, right?

I'm having spawn problems again and I'm now turning every stone again.


omfg people vent the god damn pc as directed. like really we are talking about this right now?

how about a mushcult conspiracy subforum for all this nonsense?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16]
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Jrey16 said:
My dehydrator goes up to 90 degrees celsius (194 degrees fahrenheit) and I'm wondering if that is too hot to dehydrate mushrooms? I am trying to dehydrate some medium to a few somewhat large sized mushrooms ASAP, in 16 hours or so since I have to go out of town for a while.


Between 165 F and 185F is good. Above that might degrade potency. (I have heard. I have not tested)

I do 185 F for 24 hours, but used to have one that died that only went up to 165 F and also worked.

Both made them cracker dry with no degradation. I recently ate shrooms I stored for over 2 years 9 months vacuum packed right after drying at 185 F for 25 hours.

Was as full strength as the day I dried it.


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--How to grow POPPIES.
--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

Edited by nektar61 (12/23/24 01:00 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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ThurmanMurman said:
I cant imagine there's a scenario where 10min vent time wouldn't be enough, right?


Not unless you were growing shrooms at Mount Everest base camp.

If you shoot steam for 10 min before putting on the stopcock, still get contam, something else is wrong with your tek, not the steam.

(Double posing because you're a good guy and this is important):

Use tongs or pliers to put the stopcock on after shooting steam. That steam is hot enough seriously mess up your hand.

Gauge may go up to 3 PSI or so while shooting.

Once pressure gets to 15psi, turn down the heat some to not go above 20 psi.

Start counting your time after you hit 15 PSI.

I do 2 hours after that for grain jars, and 35 min after that for agar. (some will say that's too long for agar but works for me.)


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--How to grow POPPIES.
--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

Edited by nektar61 (12/23/24 01:20 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mushboy] * 2
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mushboy said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Mr Piggy said:
SupaThaRipper said:
Have you tried not venting and observed a difference?


Yes.  Once I learned proper venting I stopped having grain problems.


I cant imagine there's a scenario where 10min vent time wouldn't be enough, right?

I'm having spawn problems again and I'm now turning every stone again.


omfg people vent the god damn pc as directed. like really we are talking about this right now?

how about a mushcult conspiracy subforum for all this nonsense?


Right ? When and at what point did this hobby become about what can work and not what will? So much shit flying around these days let's just nuke grain fuck it


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cronicr] * 1
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If you nuke your grain, make sure to dissolve it in h2o2 first, the radiation works better if the grain is predigested a bit. I've been growing kushrooms for well over 450 years and got this advice from Albert Einstein


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61]
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nektar61 said:
Jrey16 said:
My dehydrator goes up to 90 degrees celsius (194 degrees fahrenheit) and I'm wondering if that is too hot to dehydrate mushrooms? I am trying to dehydrate some medium to a few somewhat large sized mushrooms ASAP, in 16 hours or so since I have to go out of town for a while.


Between 165 F and 185F is good. Above that might degrade potency. (I have heard. I have not tested)

I do 185 F for 24 hours, but used to have one that died that only went up to 165 F and also worked.

Both made them cracker dry with no degradation. I recently ate shrooms I stored for over 2 years 9 months vacuum packed right after drying at 185 F for 25 hours.

Was as full strength as the day I dried it.



Shit, I don't even have 24 hours. Haven't even harvested yet. Very busy


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Looking into getting a second hand vacuum sealer, any brands to stay away from?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 3
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SupaThaRipper said:
Mr Piggy said:
SupaThaRipper said:
Have you tried not venting and observed a difference?


Yes.  Once I learned proper venting I stopped having grain problems.


I mean there's a million variables that could come into play. I'm not trying to convince people to not vent, but I get by fine without it.

Any venters care to tell him what he's doing wrong on that note? Besides setting his range to the highest setting.


“Venters”. Come on man.. it’s 2024.  You can’t say that.  We go by “those who vent”

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fahtster]
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Should growth on agar always be symmetrical?

I have some agar that grows faster on one side regardless of how many times I transfer.

Also I have one that looks like this. Is this sectoring? Contam?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dnice1]
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>Should growth on agar always be symmetrical?

Doesn't have to be. It's pretty when it is.

>is that sectoring

Sectoring / monocultures are b.s. from 20 years ago that turned out to not be true.

I've debunked this 3 times this month. No problem to ask, but just letting you know how common that fallacy is.


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--How to grow POPPIES.
--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

Edited by nektar61 (12/23/24 03:04 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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BIG grain bags with lots of smaller grains ... maybe:shrug:


@faht
:laugh2::laugh2:


@Nektar

As in comparison to using both mixed?

Only coir and spawn.... nothing different. Verm is an optional* and no need to change anything***EXCEPT YOUR DIAL IN (it may become drier sooner if too much fae.

Verm & spawn only.... can't help ya there as the one time that's all I had on hand it was a very poor yield and took forever.  Very hard to judge the substrate moisture content, too packed... etc

I'll use verm if I have it, maybe I'm just set in my ways.  but I feel that it makes for better structured substrate vs. no verm. And helps having the extra water holding/releasing capability.


@Jrey16
You'd better start harvesting... unless you can store the fruits in the fridge (not gone too long).
Cut in half to speed it up. start high temp and maybe decrease it after some time.  pop a desiccant in the jar & then check when you get back to see if they are bendy.

Not recommending this, but as a last resort and they aren't dry enough before you leave-
I've left on a screen on top a fan for a week but I'm also in a drier area

Edited by LewDoja (12/23/24 02:38 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Mr Piggy said:
SupaThaRipper said:
Have you tried not venting and observed a difference?


Yes.  Once I learned proper venting I stopped having grain problems.


I cant imagine there's a scenario where 10min vent time wouldn't be enough, right?

I'm having spawn problems again and I'm now turning every stone again.


omfg people vent the god damn pc as directed. like really we are talking about this right now?

how about a mushcult conspiracy subforum for all this nonsense?


That's fair and sorry for the stupid question. I just remember seeing someone mentioning 15min and I wasn't sure if there was a reason for it. Grasping at straws at this point...😬


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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I have a quick question: is there anyone here with years of growing who grows with spawn and coir only, or spawn and verm only?

If so do you have a link to how you do it? or if it's simple, what are your ratios, and do you always do that.


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--How to grow POPPIES.
--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 1
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LewDoja said:
@Nektar

As in comparison to using both mixed?

Only coir and spawn.... nothing different. Verm is an optional* and no need to change anything***EXCEPT YOUR DIAL IN (it may become drier sooner if too much fae.

Verm & spawn only.... can't help ya there as the one time that's all I had on hand it was a very poor yield and took forever.  Very hard to judge the substrate moisture content, too packed... etc

I'll use verm if I have it, maybe I'm just set in my ways.  but I feel that it makes for better structured substrate vs. no verm. And helps having the extra water holding/releasing capability.




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 1
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nektar61 said:

>Should growth on agar always be symmetrical?

Doesn't have to be. It's pretty when it is.

>is that sectoring

Sectoring / monocultures are b.s. from 20 years ago that turned out to not be true.

I've debunked this 3 times this month. No problem to ask, but just letting you know how common that fallacy is.


Thank you

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Quick Question:
B+ in fruiting conditions (AIO bag cut open after break and shake colonization in a clean Sterilite tub) for about a week with FAE, occasional wall misting and warming pad on low heat intermittently, but I haven’t noticed any real change/ growth. I can tell a few hyphal knots were beginning to form but they haven’t gone beyond that. Is this something I could doing better or has this grow been contaminated?
Many thanks!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Meanwhile] * 2
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Meanwhile said:
Anyone ever have issues venting their pc? IE I've been trying to vent this freakin thing for the past 2 hours. The locking mechanism works and pops up, it's spewing hot air, but for some reason I can't get a solid stream of steam. I have plenty of water in there. I have it on the hottest setting for my stove. It's like this thing has a mind if it's own all of a sudden.


There's only so much air in there. If the locking button is up, then it's under pressure, and if the vent hole is open, it's definitely venting the excess steam.

If it's really not venting anything, then you might have a clog in that hole. Can you see light through it? Is the pressure climbing a lot faster than usual (and above 5 or 6 psi) when the regulator is off?

Edit: sorry to repeat what had already been said. I missed multiple pages of responses. :facepalm:


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Edited by Phaethon (12/23/24 04:05 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61] * 1
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nektar61 said:
I have a quick question: is there anyone here with years of growing who grows with spawn and coir only, or spawn and verm only?

If so do you have a link to how you do it? or if it's simple, what are your ratios, and do you always do that.


I have grown with grain only (rye grass seed) as my primary tek many, many times. It is, by far, the simplest, easiest way I've found but FWIW, I'm not interested in big grows. Have grown exclusively in 32oz PP5 jars.

Cook hydrate grain >> PC >> inoculate >> colonize >> 1/2 inch of hydrated verm on top >> bottom water when pinning >> harvest 20-25 grams dry per jar

Rarely (never?) have contam issues as there is no spawning to bigger grows which is where contamination becomes far more likely.

No tubs, grow chambers, etc. You simply dial in the humidity and FAE with the lid of the jar. Fruits grow in a near sterile environment. I can't understand why this isn't the most recommended tek for noobs. Dead simple and extremely reliable. I learned it from this tek... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21390984#21390984

It is also a dead simple method to clone and quickly find a culture that thrives with this method.


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Edited by KauaiOrca (12/23/24 05:05 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I must have been losing my mind last night.... I'll never be able to let this down. I'm mortified. Thank you for everyone's unnecessary patience.

As some consolidation I learned my water softener is a no go for a water source. I've been getting by but my results could be better using a different water source I guess. On the bright side at least my mushrooms are preseasoned after dehydrating the water from them. Built in salt..


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Edited by Meanwhile (12/23/24 08:00 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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I have a water immersion retort that I can use like you use your PC's.
This one is automatic. Well, I just have to close the valve (where you usually put your weights on) when it's done venting.
The manufacturer actually offers an automatic venting valve.

It has a thermostat and a pressure gauge.

Without venting, the pressure gauge shows about 3,6bar/52psi at 250F/121C.

I'm not sure about the accuracy of the thermostat, but it sure as hell gets the job done.

Point is, after proper venting, I'm down to around 20psi.


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