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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 5
    #29063776 - 12/21/24 08:08 PM (26 days, 1 hour ago)

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Smellyhobbit said:
Does anyone have a link to what would be considered the best writeup that explains what casing is, when it needs to be used, and how to make it?




Tree Frog has a casing thread that’s still a WIP in their journal that has a lot of good info.

Towards an Official Casing Thread - WIP

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Henry Swanson] * 2
    #29063778 - 12/21/24 08:15 PM (26 days, 1 hour ago)

from "The mushroom Cultivator"

Functions
The basic functions of the casing layer are:
1. To protect the colonized substrate from drying out.
Mushroom mycelium is extremely sensitive to dry air. Although a fully colonized substrate is primarily protected from dehydration by its container (the tray, jar or plastic bag), the cropping surface remains exposed. Should the exposed surface dry out, the mycelium dies and forms a hardened mat of cells. By covering the surface with a moist casing layer, the mycelium is protected from the damaging effect of drying. Moisture loss from the substrate is also reduced.
2. To provide a humid microclimate for
primordia formation and development.
The casing is a layer of material in which the mushroom mycelium can develope an extensive, healthy network. The mycelium within the casing zone becomes a platform that supports the formation of primordia and their consequent growth into mushrooms. It is the moist humid micro climate in the casing that sustains and nurtures mycelial growth and primordia formation
3. To provide a water reservoir for maturing mushrooms.
The enlargement ot a pinhead into a fully mature mushroom is strongly influenced by the available water, without which a mushroom remains small and stunted. With the casing layer functioning as a water reservoir, mushrooms can reach full size. This is particularly important for heavy flushes when mushrooms are competing for water reserves.
4. To support the growth of fructification enhancing microorganisms.
Many ecological factors influence the formation of mushroom primordia. One of these factors is the action of select groups of microorganisms present in the casing. A casing prepared with the correct materials and managed according to the guidelines outlined in this chapter supports the growth of beneficial microflora.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Henry Swanson]
    #29063781 - 12/21/24 08:24 PM (26 days, 1 hour ago)

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Henry Swanson said:
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Smellyhobbit said:
Does anyone have a link to what would be considered the best writeup that explains what casing is, when it needs to be used, and how to make it?




Tree Frog has a casing thread that’s still a WIP in their journal that has a lot of good info.

Towards an Official Casing Thread - WIP




good link.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head] * 6
    #29063819 - 12/21/24 09:41 PM (26 days, 9 minutes ago)

Ok. I made my tea.  It's all down hill from here.  Wish me luck!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
    #29063824 - 12/21/24 09:50 PM (25 days, 23 hours ago)

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callmehippie said:
Ok. I made my tea.  It's all down hill from here.  Wish me luck!





:goodluck:
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jebi]
    #29063853 - 12/21/24 10:43 PM (25 days, 23 hours ago)

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Jebi said:
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Mr Piggy said:
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QuantumZ00 said:
I mean if I cared about legality I'd probably have taken a lot different roads in my life including not growing shrooms lol

:snoopyes:

Argh maybe just one weed plant then... I already have a grow tent...



What’s one more obsession really?



1+1=2 obsessions.  What if I already have 5-6? 
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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61]
    #29063899 - 12/22/24 01:07 AM (25 days, 20 hours ago)

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ThurmanMurman said:
Talking about ingesting fresh has me motivated tonight.

Is the water content of ochra("nats") about the same as cubes, as in I can multiply dry dose by 10 and land about where I wanted? Ive grown a shit load of them, but never bothered to check, as I've never considered taking them fresh.




yes,  dry is said to be 8 to 10 percent of fresh. AKA says here about 8 percent

(That's for cubes, that's not be accurate for pans, or other species.)

x7x+ cubes is more like 5 percent. (maybe part of why it's so strong).

MycCycle said here his recent x7x+ : "130gr fresh. About 7gr dry."

That's 5.38%

I've found similar for that variety. The dry yields seem a little disappointing until you eat some. haha



I would not recommend dividing your dry weight by that factor to determine an equivalent wet dose. I had some cubes that regularly dried down to about 7%, so I figured I'd take 14x the desired dry dose as wet (extracting as a tea). Everything was fine...but that was way, way more than I meant to take.

Start with 10x your dry dose, or even 8x. Fresh comes on a lot faster and a lot stronger than you'd expect given the dry weight.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon] * 1
    #29063923 - 12/22/24 02:32 AM (25 days, 19 hours ago)

All this talk about fresh shrooms... And it's Xmas holidays goddamnit... Tomorrow the kids are going to their mom's place for a week... :crazy2::mushroom2::crazy2:

I greatly prefer fresh too. More intricate visuals. Faster come-up. I sincerely hope that next year I'll be growing woodlovers year round, just for the fresh shrooms. I mean, ovoids, IWL, cyans, azures, it must be possible


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: QuantumZ00] * 1
    #29063998 - 12/22/24 06:21 AM (25 days, 15 hours ago)

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QuantumZ00 said:
I mean if I cared about legality I'd probably have taken a lot different roads in my life including not growing shrooms lol

:snoopyes:

Argh maybe just one weed plant then... I already have a grow tent...




Fully understood 🤣 but nobody says “damn it smells like magic mushrooms around here!?!?” 🫣

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PancyanterA]
    #29064013 - 12/22/24 06:44 AM (25 days, 15 hours ago)




¿¿Why caps broke?? 23°C with 97%HR...

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Sinopense]
    #29064025 - 12/22/24 06:58 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

What are we actually looking at here?
Is it a grow kit, if so, did you follow the instructions?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MycCycle]
    #29064028 - 12/22/24 07:02 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

It is not a grow kit.

It’s grain spawn with a casing layer of vermiculite. I placed it on perlite because I always get side fruiting, and this way I achieve better pin growth.

I’ve grown them a few times before, but this is the first time the caps have broken.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
    #29064042 - 12/22/24 07:20 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Churpee Choozle said:
As has been said before, the grains probably haven't had enough time to get properly sterilized. Wouldn't throw in my most valuable stuff...




Is pressure sterilization able to be achieved in stages?

Say 90 minutes required could be completed in 60 and then 30 later?



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LewDoja said:
When you do lemon Tek do you throw away what's left over in the filter when you squeeze the juice out afterwards or do you eat that as well?




I have never had nausea from mushrooms. It's been about pushing the intensity and shortening the time. I just mix with the liquid and down the entire lot.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Sinopense] * 1
    #29064043 - 12/22/24 07:20 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

Quote:

Sinopense said:
It is not a grow kit.

It’s grain spawn with a casing layer of vermiculite. I placed it on perlite because I always get side fruiting, and this way I achieve better pin growth.

I’ve grown them a few times before, but this is the first time the caps have broken.







Well...
I recommend reading The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery

If you've decided to case grain spawn with verm you've not followed any viable tek that I know of.

Edited by MycCycle (12/22/24 07:26 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner]
    #29064046 - 12/22/24 07:21 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Mustache Spinner said:
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Churpee Choozle said:
As has been said before, the grains probably haven't had enough time to get properly sterilized. Wouldn't throw in my most valuable stuff...




Is pressure sterilization able to be achieved in stages?

Say 90 minutes required could be completed in 60 and then 30 later?







No.

It's the total continuous uninterrupted exposure to temperature that kills microorganisms.
If you've done 60 minutes, put it back for 90.

However, 60 minutes may be efficient depending on grain, jar size and temps used.

Edited by MycCycle (12/22/24 07:30 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mustache Spinner] * 1
    #29064050 - 12/22/24 07:27 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

You can PC them again for at least 90 minutes, let cool and use. It isn't a cumulative thing. Plus, (speaking from my experience, not saying you're going to), it seems cool to just wing it and see what happens, until you're super excited over your nice myc and your jars turn to shit.


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Things to consider when you (re-) start growing mushrooms. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
    #29064061 - 12/22/24 07:44 AM (25 days, 14 hours ago)

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Churpee Choozle said:
You can PC them again for at least 90 minutes, let cool and use. It isn't a cumulative thing. Plus, (speaking from my experience, not saying you're going to), it seems cool to just wing it and see what happens, until you're super excited over your nice myc and your jars turn to shit.




Okay, good to know. I've done agar 2 or 3 times now and pretty happy with the outcome. Have a few plates of clean myc on only the second transfer. So, there are more plates than I have anything to do with at the moment. Going to use the best plate for my first attempt at LC which is why I had the PC out to begin with. Had some brown rice, but want to use oats when done with the "experimental" "can I do this" stage.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Churpee Choozle]
    #29064163 - 12/22/24 09:55 AM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

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Churpee Choozle said:
All this talk about fresh shrooms... And it's Xmas holidays goddamnit... Tomorrow the kids are going to their mom's place for a week... :crazy2::mushroom2::crazy2:

I greatly prefer fresh too. More intricate visuals. Faster come-up. I sincerely hope that next year I'll be growing woodlovers year round, just for the fresh shrooms. I mean, ovoids, IWL, cyans, azures, it must be possible




From the description you've given before of your location, those should do great.


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #29064223 - 12/22/24 10:35 AM (25 days, 11 hours ago)

The cyans and azures do great (even though I don't eat azures anymore, still grow them). I used to do a run of galindoi in spring time, and maybe some cubes, for the fresh shrooms. Really hope the ovoids and IWL will take their place...

Oh and the cinctulus of course, forgot I was running those again...

Oh and the Gyms of course, because I had enough projects and shit...

Did I mention I just transferred subaeruginosa? :eek:


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Things to consider when you (re-) start growing mushrooms. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28501530/fpart/1/vc/1

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
    #29064252 - 12/22/24 11:13 AM (25 days, 10 hours ago)

Disclaimer: Posted this somewhere else but after some thought I didn't feel it was appropriate there. Removed the previous one and decided to ask here.

Was thinking about changing up my agar recipe for a project and wanted some insight before I take the plunge. I don't have the mental patience to deal with percents and find straight numbers easier for me to work with so forgive me.

Long story short I got my hands on some spore prints(2 +1 unlabeled/forgotten that was cultivated, more than likely a 20 year old PE) and syringes(pan, mex, and azur that I don't plan on touching atm) that are between 10-20 years old. The plan is to hopefully get some mycelium to catalogue away in safer storage, IE dh2o cryo vials for longer term storage. I'm looking for more rhizo growth and just wanted some insight from much more experienced members before I waste my time, plus I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to such old spores. I don't currently have any extra syringes to hydrate the prints for 24h, perhaps there's an alternative method I haven't been able to find searching.

My new recipe would be as follows:
500ml of dh20
7g lme
8g living jin agar
0.5g of nutritional yeast(boiled for 5 minutes then strained in 100/500ml of water)

Should I even bother with yeast and stick with 10g of lme?

Thank you in advance for your time and patience, cheers!


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