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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: cronicr] * 2
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cronicr said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Mr Piggy said:
Potency will vary widely, but I still think a cube is a cube :shrug:


cronicr said:
A cube is a cube because it's not a pan.
It has nothing to do with potency a cube is a cube because b+ and gt have the same growing conditions and pe is different in potency and harvest time  is still just a cube.


Ok, that makes sense, but then what is the answer if someone asks which classic cube strain is most potent? Bc I thought the answer was still "a cube is a cube" and it had more to do with specific genetics and not the variety itself. Again, I'm not taking a position here - I'm just trying to understand.


We will never know what's the most potent , what's the most potent in your own collection?
I've grow tidal wave that ripped my head off and tidal wave that was kind of meh.
If we tested 100 people's GT's  would every one of them come in at .8 percent?



Thats exactly what I was told many years ago - whatever variety name happens to be attached to the spores in your hand is irrelevant- all the fancy names are essentially marketing BS and they're all "just cubes" and in order to consistently get high potency, you'll need to select for it like any other trait.

With that said, I understand now that "a cube is a cube" was more about the actual cultivation techniques.

Regardless, I apologize for adding misinformation to the thread.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato] * 8
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some gourmets.
reishi


some hericium:




cüb, some cultures i revived. A rustywhyte plin twig bramble, a hillbilly germ chunk, and a gpe plin.



some gandalf

wispy gandalf...

i hannibal lecter'd this dish.



:cheers:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LewDoja]
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LewDoja said:
The only noticeable variable is the human interpretation. So for most accurate results is best to use the Colorimeter




Thank you.

If you're using the kit but not the Colorimeter, is there a certain light color temp you should use to view the results (with white paper behind, curved, as in their video)?

I think different light temps would give a visually different reading with the eye.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: nektar61] * 2
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I was so going To ask this the other day, but got side tracked.

The instructions are kind of vague...

Edited by LewDoja (12/20/24 01:56 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
We will never know what's the most potent , what's the most potent in your own collection?
I've grow tidal wave that ripped my head off and tidal wave that was kind of meh.
If we tested 100 people's GT's  would every one of them come in at .8 percent?



Thats exactly what I was told many years ago - whatever variety name happens to be attached to the spores in your hand is irrelevant- all the fancy names are essentially marketing BS and they're all "just cubes" and in order to consistently get high potency, you'll need to select for it like any other trait.

With that said, I understand now that "a cube is a cube" was more about the actual cultivation techniques.

Regardless, I apologize for adding misinformation to the thread.


This is why you isolate clones. I have cultures that reliably test at the top or above set of contest results. The new availability of test kits helps sort this out earlier.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: OldManRiver]
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OldManRiver said:
I have cultures that reliably test at the top or above set of contest results. The new availability of test kits helps sort this out earlier.


Which non-PE Cube varieties have you isolated and what are they testing at?

Are you using the PsiloQ test?


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--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
--x7x+ variety history.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: OldManRiver]
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OldManRiver said:
This is why you isolate clones. I have cultures that reliably test at the top or above set of contest results. The new availability of test kits helps sort this out earlier.


I read a compelling case that Nektar wrote about how you get better grows by getting cultures with good symbiosis of culture (my words), I think is what she meant by the sectoring thing? getting 2-3 sectors or some such.  I didn't follow it all.


Outdated info

Edited by Jebi (12/20/24 10:38 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Jebi]
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Jebi said:
OldManRiver said:
This is why you isolate clones. I have cultures that reliably test at the top or above set of contest results. The new availability of test kits helps sort this out earlier.


I read a compelling case that Nektar wrote about how you get better grows by getting cultures with good symbiosis of culture (my words), I think is what she meant by the sectoring thing? getting 2-3 sectors or some such.  I didn't follow it all.

edit, and I might could use some pictures too lol.


If you mean the thing of "finding single sectors of agar to produce a monoculture" that's old tek, wrong, and b.s.

We had a sub-thread on that topic here a few weeks back. Some TCs used to even spread it, but it's voodoo junk science.

Some people still spread that, so it's still around, but it's bunk. Like "separate fruiting conditions" and putting coffee grounds into a grow. All ancient stuff that's no longer best practice.


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--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: nektar61] * 1
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Yeah, you were saying that having 2-3 sectors?  I think that meant, it is now recommended to have more than one spore genetics getting along with each other on agar before going to grain?  I haven't deep dived it yet, since I'm still waiting equipment to arrive before doing agar myself.
OUTDATED, incorrect.

Edited by Jebi (12/20/24 10:38 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Jebi] * 2
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Jebi said:
Yeah, you were saying that having 2-3 sectors?  I think that meant, it is now recommended to have more than one spore genetics getting along with each other on agar before going to grain?  I haven't deep dived it yet, since I'm still waiting equipment to arrive before doing agar myself.


You shouldn't think about "sectors" (or related "monoculture") when transferring mycelium to a new plate. That's old, wrong info. (you might be thinking of something I wrote debunking the idea of "monoculture" or "sectors")

You should only be looking for clean robust mycelium, and transfer a small piece of it.

When you get your supplies, put spores to agar, and have a germination plate about 1/2 to 2/3 grown out, post a good close pic of it (or of a few plates) on the Agar thread and ask where to transfer from, someone will recommend where on it transfer from on the plate. (Usually as clock position, like "Outer edge at 9 oclock") 

After you do that a few times, you'll learn to recognize it.


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--GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS
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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Jebi] * 6
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My weekend projects.





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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: nektar61] * 1
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:thumbup::thumbup:

Thanks for clarification.  I will delete from memory banks.  Law of primacy be damned.

Edited by Jebi (12/20/24 10:23 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: nektar61] * 1
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nektar61 said:
OldManRiver said:
I have cultures that reliably test at the top or above set of contest results. The new availability of test kits helps sort this out earlier.


Which non-PE Cube varieties have you isolated and what are they testing at?

Are you using the PsiloQ test?


I have cultures of PES amazonian that consistently test above 2%.  I have a KSSS culture that runs about 1.8%.  I use the Miraculix tests.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Jebi] * 7
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X7x+ lookin good!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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ThurmanMurman said:


X7x+ lookin good!


Nice!
Can't wait to see the canopy as well! :smile:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:


X7x+ lookin good!


dam very niice!
mine look like crap on T2 rn hah

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: sloug]
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sloug said:
ThurmanMurman said:


X7x+ lookin good!


dam very niice!
mine look like crap on T2 rn hah


Mine looked weird before T3. Idk why, but they're looking good now. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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hell yea good work. ima keep on truckin n see where it takes me.

edit:
i suppose they dont look horrible now that i got em in the light but, no where near the beauty u got goin on. my plates tend to look questionable until they colonize 1/3-1/2 the plate. anyone else experience this? i probably should go back to using powder lme instead of this syrup i accidentally bought. especially since im using the same amount i would if i had powder hah

:cookiemonster:


Edited by sloug (12/20/24 03:58 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Henry Swanson] * 1
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Sweet!

I dig that agar color

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