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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Churpee Choozle said:
I really like Josex' posts, and have been saved more than once by the Josex poke. And yes, I have been raised with the endospores too, everything that went wrong was always endospores (while shooting entire sporeprints in jars of wet grain, lol). I was just taken aback by his belief in them at the time he started that thread. And I guess even more by the notion that clear LC is by definition clean while agar is hard to judge. It's cool to see how young the current status quaestionis is...
I feel stupid for not seeing the big picture with GWA, having read Rachel Carson (and her ideas on the accumulation of toxins) and having fiddled around with Claviceps / Gloeotinia a lot in the past ('discovering' the astounding amount of species that live in a single ear of grain).
Thanks for sharing man. It was a really interesting read.

I am really confused as to what I think of GWA now. Especially since I used it for LAGM 25. The problem with the subaeruginosa is probably just the culture itself. I have ovoids and IWL on the exact same batch of agar and they're fine. Just to be sure, I'll put the subs on different agars tonight.



Ive been deep diving into this post, can someone define the acronyms used? searching and the two acronym threads I have bookmarked are not helping.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: haniblecter]
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haniblecter said:
Churpee Choozle said:
I really like Josex' posts, and have been saved more than once by the Josex poke. And yes, I have been raised with the endospores too, everything that went wrong was always endospores (while shooting entire sporeprints in jars of wet grain, lol). I was just taken aback by his belief in them at the time he started that thread. And I guess even more by the notion that clear LC is by definition clean while agar is hard to judge. It's cool to see how young the current status quaestionis is...
I feel stupid for not seeing the big picture with GWA, having read Rachel Carson (and her ideas on the accumulation of toxins) and having fiddled around with Claviceps / Gloeotinia a lot in the past ('discovering' the astounding amount of species that live in a single ear of grain).
Thanks for sharing man. It was a really interesting read.

I am really confused as to what I think of GWA now. Especially since I used it for LAGM 25. The problem with the subaeruginosa is probably just the culture itself. I have ovoids and IWL on the exact same batch of agar and they're fine. Just to be sure, I'll put the subs on different agars tonight.



Ive been deep diving into this post, can someone define the acronyms used? searching and the two acronym threads I have bookmarked are not helping.



Liquid Culture - LC
Grain Water Agar - GWA
Lets all grow mushrooms 2025 - LAGM 25

Edit: missed one

India Wood Lover - IWL

Edited by RoscoeReturns (01/10/25 06:52 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: haniblecter]
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haniblecter said:
not too early, but it'd be hard to not beat up the myc too much with a scapel...assuming you use a scapel.




Thanks, that's helpful and you also raise a really good point I'd not thought of.

I use a punch and or scalpel.

I remember smooshing some nice myc on an old plate now I come to think about it,
your reminder will now make that bit of knowledge stick!

I have read about the use of fine tweezers for strand removal. Is this something you've tried?


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: haniblecter]
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If it helps somehow: the subaeruginosa looked way better on a different agar and I discontinued the use of GWA altogether.

Pretty interesting read huh? I shivered when he cadually mentioned cranking up the PSIs so much...

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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Gotchya!

I really like LME and how easy it is. But I can definitely see hte benefit of GWA from the grain you use (I use RGS) to ensure you're selecting Myc that like (teehee) the grain that you prefer.

Is it worth the slightly added hassle? Could I dehydrate water from a soak or would I start to run the risk of BLIS and other anti-fungal contaminates getting into the agar via the soak water...or shoud I not give a rats ass as I run 6 tubs max?

Bearing in mind RGS does NOT need a soak, so the soaking step only impacts nutes in the end product.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: haniblecter]
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I liked the idea (and it's like, you've got that stuff anyhow, so). But as pointed out in that thread, it's a bit of a crapshoot. And there's an incredible amount of guff living in or around grains :shrug:, so if you concentrate that...
PDY always worked great for me. And pretty much whatever. Last two batches are BRF with a pinch of yeast. Seems to do the trick.

This is that same myc on BRF-Y


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato] * 1
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Hey! Why is the myc on these plates growing in a "ring"-like pattern with inconsistent density?



The only thing I could think of is the fact that I've been away for a few days during the holidays and the temperature may have dropped to a few degrees lower than usual (17°C instead of the usual 21-22°C). These are Nats, T2 6 plates and they're all more or less in a similar pattern. T1 from WA seemed more uniform.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: gibilan11] * 1
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I have these plates from two LCs...SNAPE and a Tidal Wave x APE cross.

This is my first time getting LC to take on agar...I had only done clones and clone transfers previously.

Finally just went ahead and made my own plates, not as hard as had feared and thus far better looking results.

Couple quick questions...

How do these look for taking transfers?

Where on each are the best spots to transfer from?

Appreciate any help.



Also having a terrible time getting formatting down on this site...any teks for that?!?


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: wichita_jack] * 3
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gibilan11 said:
Hey! Why is the myc on these plates growing in a "ring"-like pattern with inconsistent density?



The only thing I could think of is the fact that I've been away for a few days during the holidays and the temperature may have dropped to a few degrees lower than usual (17°C instead of the usual 21-22°C). These are Nats, T2 6 plates and they're all more or less in a similar pattern. T1 from WA seemed more uniform.



Pretty common to have concentric rings when there are periodic temperature swings. Nothing to worry about, and the plate looks healthy to me.

wichita_jack said:
I have these plates from two LCs...SNAPE and a Tidal Wave x APE cross.

This is my first time getting LC to take on agar...I had only done clones and clone transfers previously.

Finally just went ahead and made my own plates, not as hard as had feared and thus far better looking results.

Couple quick questions...

How do these look for taking transfers?

Where on each are the best spots to transfer from?

Appreciate any help.



Also having a terrible time getting formatting down on this site...any teks for that?!?



Generally, take small transfers from the leading edge of nice uniform-looking growth. Some ideas:
- SNAPE 1: most anywhere from center colony, 2 o'clock from upper-right colony
- SNAPE 2: needs more time
- TWxAPE
  - 1: 7-10 o'clock center colony
  - 2: probably toss, but could try 4 o'clock bottom colony
  - 3: lots of sus, maybe top colony, 3-5 o'clock
  - 4: looks uniformly sus but could just be condensation, take your pick

Those align=left properties on your img tags were wreaking havok (I removed them in my reply). Just copy the bbcode directly from the pics overview. Don't try to force a particular layout and you and everyone will be happier.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Phaethon]
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Hey, I just did some of my first transfers and I had some unexpected issues pop up so I just wanted to ask some questions.

I used Pasty Plates made in Glad Mini Round containers and I followed the tek exactly.

Before PC, the lids kinda snapped on. After the PC it seems the lids are no longer snapping on and they seem to lift right off the container with ease. I didn’t see anyone else talking about this issue so I’m trying to figure out where I may have went wrong.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: bluespirit13]
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This old AMVP plate that I’ve left on a shelf and have been completely ignoring looks like it wants to do a thing. Can I send?


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Lilgrower] * 3
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First try with these Ketchup Cups... Lets see if they are really working and are not contaminating. Would reduce cost massively



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Phaethon]
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Phaethon said:
wichita_jack said:
I have these plates from two LCs...SNAPE and a Tidal Wave x APE cross.

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Generally, take small transfers from the leading edge of nice uniform-looking growth. Some ideas:
- SNAPE 1: most anywhere from center colony, 2 o'clock from upper-right colony
- SNAPE 2: needs more time
- TWxAPE
  - 1: 7-10 o'clock center colony
  - 2: probably toss, but could try 4 o'clock bottom colony
  - 3: lots of sus, maybe top colony, 3-5 o'clock
  - 4: looks uniformly sus but could just be condensation, take your pick

Those align=left properties on your img tags were wreaking havok (I removed them in my reply). Just copy the bbcode directly from the pics overview. Don't try to force a particular layout and you and everyone will be happier.



Thanks much. Another couple quickies:

1/ if taking two transfers from one plate, say that SNAPE 1 from the two distinct colonies, would it be appropriate to just grow both on opposite sides of one new plate? Just trying to manage resources (ie time and materials) a bit.

2/ any reason to hold onto old plates from which I took transfers or is it customary to just toss those?


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: wichita_jack] * 4
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You can totally put two or three transfers on one plate. I even do this with 60mm plates when I'm starting from spores. If you're still cleaning it up, you just need to be a little more proactive because you'll have less time where there is a leading edge to transfer from.

No harm in holding onto old plates - toss when you need the space or the clutter reaches your tolerance threshold. :smile: Old plates will sometimes pin, and those pins often make nice cultures. You can transfer the whole thing - since it's in vitro, no need to worry about what might be on the outside of it. Keeping old plates around is also nice when none of the transfers are growing uniformly.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Phaethon]
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Awesome - thank you!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: wichita_jack] * 17
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I like this.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: bluespirit13]
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bluespirit13 said:
Hey, I just did some of my first transfers and I had some unexpected issues pop up so I just wanted to ask some questions.

I used Pasty Plates made in Glad Mini Round containers and I followed the tek exactly.

Before PC, the lids kinda snapped on. After the PC it seems the lids are no longer snapping on and they seem to lift right off the container with ease. I didn’t see anyone else talking about this issue so I’m trying to figure out where I may have went wrong.



It could be the quality of mini rounds you got, or maybe the temperature your PC got to. Either way, if it bothers you, you could seal the edge from lid to container with a piece of parafilm or some sort of cling wrap or micropore tape to keep the two from separating.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Axman]
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Yeah I hit it with some micropore tape. Just seemed weird since I’ve seen plenty of people use them without issue. It’s like they don’t seal at all anymore after PC. Idk I think im gonna have to look for a different way to do agar.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Phaethon]
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:whathesaid:

Especially if not needing to be cleaned up and just expand while preserving genetic variety.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: bluespirit13]
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bluespirit13 said:
Yeah I hit it with some micropore tape. Just seemed weird since I’ve seen plenty of people use them without issue. It’s like they don’t seal at all anymore after PC. Idk I think im gonna have to look for a different way to do agar.



If you want to do pre-pour I recommend getting these plates, It costs you $80 to get into 200x 60mm petris; but, they're infinite use theoretically. Just get yourself some 1/2" Parafilm, and you're set for a long time.

I wish I would've started here instead of condiment cups honestly, but these Tek's weren't out when I started.

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