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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
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That’s a good understanding. So would boiling water set it back enough since I’m not fruiting tubs in a sterile environment?


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: EniQma] * 1
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I've put a bit of thought in treating these specifically as of late as I've been using cactus soil or just peat fairly exclusively, and frankly I'd shoot for proper pasteurization, personally.  Everything I've stuffed in a jar and stuck in a water bath has been my friend.  Tossing boiling water on stuff is my other hobby, but not for casings.  That said, other TCs on here use at least verm out of the bag, so obviously it's a game of chance slanted in the favor of the chance taker.

Edit: I would note that this dovetails with my concern being more for the sand than verm, however...


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Edited by alaskappalachian (10/03/24 02:36 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: alaskappalachian]
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No, I haven't been using boiling water.

Wavy is fruiting exotics that are sitting around for months in pools of water before they even pin using the same casing recipe :shrug:

I do have a tray of pans here that has trich before the first flush is finished, but all my previous trays using the same casing have gone 3 flushes before trich has popped up.

However, that is a sample of only 8 trays.

I have 2 shoeboxes of zapotecorum, 2 of the semps and 3 more trays of the pans with the same casing, we will see if anything nasty pops up prematurely on any of those.

TBH, if I was worrying about sand, I'd worry about any inert substrate in my casing, anything could be potentially compromised and it's not colonised so therefore not protected by the mushroom mycelium.

My only complaint about the verm/sand so far is I cannot tell how wet it is by sight.

I have been playing fast and loose by sitting a bag of sheep manure and humates pellets on top of my play sand, probably should not be doing that.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Dkeppel] * 1
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I agree that people get by with it fairly consistently.  Wavy is a good example.  I also play fast and loose at times, and can appreciate others doing so and just learning by way of experimentation.  However, I think pasteurization>none in most cases if you want optimal chances over a large spread.  One thing I've observed with - let's say sand, for instance - is regional variations, and qualitative differences.  That said, I love seeing people get by with less hassle if it works for them :shrug:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: alaskappalachian] * 3
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Most stuff I’d say out of the bag is fine, but semps can take so long it’s better not to take any chances.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 5
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Never fucked around with sand; always interpreted that the 5% of sand in most Cactus soil mixes was to make the medium more porous, but that purpose won't translate in a verm casing... what is the benefit of adding sand to vermiculite?
Straight out of the bag coarse verm is my absolute favourite for casing Semps; just apply dry and mist heavily or soak in cold water, colander drain and apply.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 999999999] * 1
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I'm not sure what purpose the sand serves TBH :shrug:

I'm just a lazy sheep, I see someone having success casing without pasteurisation and I copy them.

Maybe with something like zapotecorum for example, we're pooling the water on the surface and the sand acts as a way to loosen the mix up so that the water drains more freely through the casing and on to the top of the colonised substrate and possibly allows for better evaporation?

Or possibly the idea is the small particle size helps fill in gaps?

IDK, we would have to ask wavy himself :lol:

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Dkeppel] * 5
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Some species are thought to like sand in the casing :shrug:

But this is just an extension of my laziness. I had mold issues in pasteurized peat and soil mixtures, and I just haven't looked back.

Recently I ran out of sand and I'm not in a hurry to get more. Biggest disadvantage to verm is spotting new pins.

Edit: For instance here's subtropicalis xico. (But it looks nothing like the other varieties have yet)




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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: wavyedge] * 11
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Second flush rocking, really hoping I can get some spore prints from this run. Failed in the first flush. There's some big caps in there too 👀


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Buckdog] * 1
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well done, Buck!
be patient, keep doing what you're doing, they will darken and sporulate
:chefskiss:

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Buckdog] * 1
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Nice tub. What was the time frame between flushes? Caps dropping spores can take a while.
Try them yet?

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
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I harvested the first flush on September 14th and recased it the same day. I haven't tried them yet, but my cousin did and he said one gram felt like an 8th of normal cubes. I just bought and moved into a house so I've been busy, hopefully next weekend at the latest I'll be able to give them a go


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Buckdog] * 1
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I’m happy he only took a gram. I’m maxed at 1.2 g, couple of buddies like 0.75.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
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Yeah I told him to start with one gram. He eats them kinda often though


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 12
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Hi all, this is my first time posting in the thread (I think). I wanted to make an introduction for my third semp grow. So far I have had two failed attempts. Each was due to a lack of proper planning and fundamental knowledge, so I decided to dedicate time to research semperviva/subtropicalis exclusively. I am reading this thread start to finish, and even though i am only at the beginning there is a ton of useful information.

This thread will serve as a grow log for Semperviva Fall 2024. I will update it periodically and make a copy of it in my journal.

Here are some pics of my semp plins on agar. I got these from faht's culture, i think he knows people have it and knows they are growing it everywhere.

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9/20/24 (ca)

The satellite looking thing in the first picture is actually semnp myc, where the plin rolled and touched the agar.

I hope everyone is doing well on their grows and thank nosf3r4tu and everyone else for this amazing thread. There is a wealth of information here that is incomparable to anywhere else on the net. The ultimate comprehensive resource for growing semps. Third time's the charm, they say.

edit. the satellite is indeed a trichoderma colony. i will need to perform a transfer. the other plin clone is clean.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 5
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Nice to see you fiddle. Takes a while to get through all the posts but it’s worth it.
Don’t know if you’ve come across these threads. Bit of easy reading after you get though the 312 pages in this thread.
Moopers Semp notes
Melgo grows Semps

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Edited by The Tao (10/03/24 10:56 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 1
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If I could get er done then I definitely think you can easily if you try lol


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
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Ah, thank you Tao. I have some notes and some king black pearl pleurotus from melgo that i intend to post in the gourmet forums. i'll definitely check out those links and give it a read. thanks


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
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alaskappalachian said:
I agree that people get by with it fairly consistently.  Wavy is a good example.  I also play fast and loose at times, and can appreciate others doing so and just learning by way of experimentation.  However, I think pasteurization>none in most cases if you want optimal chances over a large spread.  One thing I've observed with - let's say sand, for instance - is regional variations, and qualitative differences.  That said, I love seeing people get by with less hassle if it works for them :shrug:


i am planning on using leveling sand, not play sand, but i'm not sure if it makes a difference. i'm sure there are all kinds of crap in the play sand that you don't want. but i was mainly replying to you to compliment your pfp.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: fiddle_head] * 2
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Mine is actually "Washed Sand No.1", its advertised as "excellent for a kids sand pits and construction purposes" and "free of contamination and weeds".

I would think it's not a great business model if your play sand has shit in it, people tend to get upset if products intended for use by children get their kids sick and sue.



However as wavy said, the vermiculite makes it difficult to spot all the pins :lol:

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