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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen] * 18
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ok, I lied, I'll go for the 4th flush in this jar :grin:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 999999999] * 13
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4th flush???? Jeezus, is the jar 100 years old? These are both 45 days old on their first flush.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
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:lol: almost, from February
Nice stems there! Is that the bell shape ones?


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 999999999] * 1
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I am using 20-qt latching tubs modified using EZ Dial TEK, so they have sixteen 3/8" holes drilled in them (three low on each of the long sides, and five high in both ends). I've been using these with great success cultivating cubes. I usually start with the holes covered with clear packing tape and when I put a tub into FC, I initially remove all the tape and "dial it in" in the next day or two based upon observed evaporation of moisture on the inside walls.

I cased my very first tub of Semperviva yesterday with a 1/4" layer of cactus soil that I'd pasteurized in my dehydrator on high (160F) for four hours. After, I misted the inside walls and removed the tape from all the holes just like I'm used to doing, but now I'm wondering. Should I have the holes covered with micropore or SFD? Is it bad that they are just open?



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Edited by mycosispeon (06/20/24 04:20 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycosispeon] * 2
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Gleyck said:
:lol: almost, from February
Nice stems there! Is that the bell shape ones?


Yup bell caps from RockinRobot.

mycosispeon said:
I am using 20-qt latching tubs modified using EZ Dial TEK, so they have sixteen 3/8" holes drilled in them (three low on each of the long sides, and five high in both ends). I've been using these with great success cultivating cubes. I usually start with the holes covered with clear packing tape and when I put a tub into FC, I initially remove all the tape and "dial it in" in the next day or two based upon observed evaporation of moisture on the inside walls.

I cased my very first tub of Semperviva yesterday with a 1/4" layer of cactus soil that I'd pasteurized in my dehydrator on high (160F) for four hours. After, I misted the inside walls and removed the tape from all the holes just like I'm used to doing, but now I'm wondering. Should I have the holes covered with micropore or SFD? Is it bad that they are just open?




That sounds like a good line. Just keep an eye on surface conditions. I use the same 20 qt with more holes and filter disks with wet expanded clay pebbles in the bottom because I live in a ridiculously hot dry desert with central air running non-stop. It is 112f and rising outside right now. And I am frequently away from my tubs for 4 days to a week, so I can't check on them and mist regularly.

If you have the slow variety and are having trouble with the casing drying out you can cover some of the bottom holes. I have found that those filter stickers over the holes on the INSIDE of the tub allow some fae while retaining moisture better than on the outside. It works for my environment and travel patterns. YMMV.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] * 2
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Yeah, there's definitely going to be some learning on this one. Plus, it's warming up here to the point that I may have to begin using my AC as well.

Yesterday, I did end up removing the holes I'd taped over and instead put micropore over all of the holes. I guess my main concern was having the holes open allowing contaminates in, but maybe that isn't a concern? Yes, I realize that I'm already beginning to overthink this. :lol:

If Semps typically like misting 1-2 times daily, what is the indicator that misting is needed? Dry-looking sub? Absence of droplets on inside walls? Absence of droplets on surface of sub? I'm often away for the weekend, so I'm hoping that I can dial it in similarly to what you have going.

This tub colonized quickly (cased at 100%, 20 days after spawning). The other tub is a different story. Spawned identically, but colonizing much slower (surface is maybe 40% colonized today, 22 days after spawning). You can see the clear difference between these two tubs:



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Edited by mycosispeon (06/21/24 11:40 AM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycosispeon] * 2
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If your grains are fully colonized and clean prior to spawning, contamination should not be a concern in your tubs. EZ dial have been proving that for years. So that is one less thing to worry about.

I see PNW and think that you are probably safe from my humidity concerns. Even with ac on the ez dials work really well for most folks. So again, you are in good shape.

For subtrops, I find that you do not want to start misting until they pin unless the casing looks dry (like turning a lighter brown). Once they are pinning they do seem to produce happier and prettier fruits it they get plenty of misting. Once or twice a day if you do not see droplets on the fruit stipes, you can mist them again. Keep an eye on the substrate surface, though. You don't want to see any pooling on the surface. But honestly, I have left them unmisted for a week or more and they keep growing fine. The caps tend to curl up more and they really want the moisture to produce spores for printing. But they will produce lots of potent fruit without the daily misting.

It took me a long time to get my first success with these. Because they can take so long to pin, super clean spawn is critical. I also find that slightly dryer substrate speeds the colonizing process up some. But your top one looks like you are doing things right. I am suspicious of the bottom one. It looks like my early failed attempts but all you can really do is wait it out now.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
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:thanx:

I'll just have to keep an eye on things. The bottom tub IS progressing albeit slowly. Fingerscrosed


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Edited by mycosispeon (06/21/24 03:45 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycosispeon] * 8
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off the wall Semp clone


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 999999999] * 11
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 999999999] * 1
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God damn man. Looks like cubes and big atl7s.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] * 7
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Update on my boxes. Second flush, beefpunished both after harvest and dunked overnight.

I’ve been misting once a day from above since pins came in, and the lids have been flipped and cracked for about 2 weeks. Luckily I haven’t had an issue with gnats and fruit flies recently, so I didn’t need to cover with fabric this time. Dunno if related but they seemed to grow slightly faster, maybe by a few days each? (Or possibly, I was happy about my harvest and so easily employed ignore tek). Today some caps were touching the lid in both boxes, although one box is a week behind, so now I’ve got them dubtubbed in my sab.

Interesting tidbit, I’m up north and we have very little darkness at night now. They are very strongly light seeking even compared to the first flushes just 1-2 months ago. Now they’re all packed against the side of the box with their caps towards the window like sunflowers if I don’t turn the box. Like dogs with their wet noses smooshed up against the window. It’s pretty cute. I turn them after I mist them so then they get confused and go curly in the stripes as you can see. But all in all they seem very comfortable, so I figure you gotta give them something to strive for in life.

Another interesting note, we discussed in this thread a while ago that semperviva caps turning from golden amber to sepia brown is a sign of maturity. However, the caps in the millet box which is a week behind are browner than the older rye box! Weird. I’m starting to wonder if it has to do with ambient humidity, or maybe fae as well. I noticed last flush that once I dubtubbed them, they all turned sepia very quickly.

Happy family


This box is a week ahead, first harvest May 25. It’s on rye and the sub is a bit thicker. The fruits are chonkier this time around, but the pin set is less thick. The mycelium recovered quickly, but didn’t cover the entire sub.


This box is on millet and a thinner sub. I had a very uneven pin set for the first flush but it got its shit together and I got a canopy at last. Harvested that June 2 although I should have harvested a few days before as they sporulated like crazy. Here the mycelium barely showed up, but that didn’t affect pinning obviously. I wonder why the mycelium didn’t go on top here?


Bonus pic of a shy chonker in the corner of the rye box. Biggest fruit I’ve grown so far, looks bigger irl though, you know how it is


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycosispeon] * 2
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mycosispeon said:
If Semps typically like misting 1-2 times daily, what is the indicator that misting is needed? Dry-looking sub? Absence of droplets on inside walls? Absence of droplets on surface of sub? I'm often away for the weekend, so I'm hoping that I can dial it in similarly to what you have going.


I never give advice as I still don’t feel qualified, but I can with some confidence give input on this one 😁

For me I started to get a feel for it by the look of things. I had some small initial success with a few cube boxes, but somehow I really hit my stride with semperviva. They do like humidity much more than the cubes I grew, and I could tell just by looking at my sempervivas even as an advanced beginner. I dunno, they just look like they want water and they make me feel sorry for them so I mist them. It seems wrong to call it codependency so I’ll call it empathic synergy. 😂

Once my subs were colonized fully I cased with cactus soil before the first flush, and once they started pinning all as per Melgo’s advice, I flipped and cracked the lids and started misting from above 1-2x a day. That’s when I started developing an eye/feel for it. Looking through this thread helped. For my first flush I found that they preferred twice a day. I’m on the second flush and now they prefer once a day. I’ll probably use about 10-20 ml per box per mist. I like to see small to medium sized water beads on the sub, and once the pins are proper fruits, the caps can have some water pooled in them and the stipes should be wet like with a heavy dew. It looks like almost too much but a few hours later, that will be gone. They love it.

Semperviva likes it very humid. I kind of imagine it thriving in a misty temperate rain forest where it is often really foggy and the morning dews are heavy.

So to answer the question, mainly I can tell both from how the fruits look and how the sub looks. I’m only misting once a day now because there’s a lot of retention on the more myceliated sub between mists and it’s borderline pooling. Also, I think closer to harvest, twice a day feels a bit overkill. I do agree that it seems to help spore production. However I don’t really pay attention to the humidity on the walls, if the fruits and sub look a bit dry by semperviva standards, it seems irrelevant if the walls are wet which they always are.

I theorize that they grow faster with regular misting, because it makes them happier, but they won’t be mad if you miss a day or two, they’ll just slow down and maybe a few pins will abort. Minimize the fae if you know you’ll be away, and mist right before you leave and right when you get back. Tell them you love them once a week for bonus points. And apparently, they do like some ambient (never direct) sunlight quite a lot— mine are in a bookcase across the room from a southerly window, so they don’t ever get direct light but the room gets ambient light most of the day and bright sunlight in the afternoon and evening. They like that a lot.


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Edited by Mycodemus (06/22/24 05:13 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Mycodemus] * 12
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S2B done in July 2023, a year ago almost. It gave me two small dark fruits a month+ ago and now is bursting with sturdy fresh ones. All this time it was just stalling under a lid.
It's a 1,5L jar.



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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri] * 2
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Well that’s a perfect scenario to test to the consolidation for increased potency theory.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri] * 1
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A year? Damn. I have a stalled box of mixed natalensis and semperviva spawn in coir which I made up at the same time as my good boxes. I haven’t had the heart to throw it out yet, as while it’s undoubtedly bacterial, it isn’t green. Maybe I’ll keep being lazy… for science.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Mycodemus] * 10
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Pins on a t1 I made in January


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Pnin] * 12
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Xico trashcan, made May 2023. I was getting ready to move and dump it then I noticed these.



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Contaminated Bell Caps jar keeps cranking them out.






Got another from a different batch. Put a casing layer on thinking it would never make it this far.

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