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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: chikn fingaz]
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Spacecadet94 said:
What causes blobbing and how do we fix it? Is it because we need p-casing layer or is it genetics? Spawn ratio? Ive heard alot of things. Chime in!



It's genetic, but can be rectified or at least reduced by using a peat casing or compressed psuedo-casing. Blobs are mutants, mutants can be encouraged by using too much spawn, high spawn to substrate ratios like 1:1 will encourage mutants; RustyWhyte has been known to produce mutants at higher ratios, the phenomenon is not limited to PE. SW PE tends to blob with more frequency than other PE lineages.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Yea, I can do that... but Id really like to figure out whats going on haha. I cloned the best looking fruit this time so I guess Ill see if that changes anything. Dont mind much if I have to ditch it. Was hoping Tidal Wave would be of equal potency to Penis Envy but without the blobbing. Doesnt seem to be the case though.


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Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (11/06/23 04:38 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
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If it really is bacterial, I would clone a couple of the best looking ones (check), do a water agar transfer as one of the steps in the culture clean up (ideally eliminating any chance of bacteria) then grow it out. If it is still not pretty at that point, you can be pretty certain that it is genetics and ditch it. Otherwise, Bob's you uncle. Always wanted to say that.


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Edited by ReverendMyc (11/06/23 05:26 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
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Aspect, try to pour some hot agar over a culture the size of a nickel, only take from the top layer when transferring.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
Aspect, try to pour some hot agar over a culture the size of a nickel, only take from the top layer when transferring.



Will that help with mold though or just bacteria? Bacteria isnt the problem. At this point I put everything through water agar so if that doesnt work do hot pours do anything water agar doesnt?


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Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (11/06/23 06:18 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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Your jar didn't look particularly bacterial, but you aren't growing mold either.  You wouldn't have mushrooms if it was.

A hot pour may even be considered a step back from water agar, unless you hot pour water agar.  (I just thought of that, and it's perfect!  Combining both techniques should work great.)  Generally it's more of a race.  As soon as myc breaks the surface you want to transfer it.

I don't think your issues are likely to be from contamination though.  It's hard to say what the problem is, but I feel pretty confident that the problem isn't contamination.  Stipe is probably on to something.  Try a slightly higher ratio and use a well compressed pseudo-casing, and maybe you'll have better luck.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
Nah it’s not an age thing. Looks like goofy ahh genes or possibly bacterial spawn. Did you notice any signs of bacteria in your spawn? Might just work with a different culture if that one isn’t performing.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nonagon]
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These are supposed to be penis envy, but they look off to me. Are these actually APE or is this some phenotype that can occur with PE?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Sauceman77] * 2
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Look like ape to me, id call that a W

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kinoko314]
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Kinoko314 said:
Your jar didn't look particularly bacterial, but you aren't growing mold either.  You wouldn't have mushrooms if it was.

A hot pour may even be considered a step back from water agar, unless you hot pour water agar.  (I just thought of that, and it's perfect!  Combining both techniques should work great.)  Generally it's more of a race.  As soon as myc breaks the surface you want to transfer it.

I don't think your issues are likely to be from contamination though.  It's hard to say what the problem is, but I feel pretty confident that the problem isn't contamination.  Stipe is probably on to something.  Try a slightly higher ratio and use a well compressed pseudo-casing, and maybe you'll have better luck.



At this point Id really just like to learn whats going on. I spawned those jars today. Even after a week of sitting around consolidating they broke up with a simple shake, no banging, and had a very potent smell of mycelium. Ive only been spawning jars to 1:2 max. Substrate being straight coir.

The thought of doing a hot pour with water agar crossed my mind as well. Maybe a potentially good way of guaranteeing clean myc would be to pour water agar over a colonized pf tek puck. Now THERE'S an idea!


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Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (11/06/23 07:53 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 3
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It's easy enough to get clean cultures with standard transfers and dishes. If that isn't working, the issue is operator error.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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What about when the culture looks clean but still leads to funky jars/tubs? Theres many posts on here about enmeshed mold/bacteria on cultures that otherwise look clean.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
What about when the culture looks clean but still leads to funky jars/tubs? Theres many posts on here about enmeshed mold/bacteria on cultures that otherwise look clean.



Hey I feel like I already asked you, but did you give the Josex poke a shot?

Maybe not applicable but I've read that it has a great result rate.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] * 1
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Do people sterilize tools inside their SAB when using non-torch related methods - Heating coils and such?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nonagon] * 1
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Nonagon said:
Do people sterilize tools inside their SAB when using non-torch related methods - Heating coils and such?



nuuuu you dont want heat in your still air box . heat makes currents. currents make not-still air.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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What are you talking about?  I always put my IP in my SAB to sterilize my tools, you know, so I wouldn't have to transport them through dirty air.  Don't you all do that?



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kinoko314]
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Roger that. I thought I had seen it done, more of a convenience thing than scared of the scary air thing.

Might have been a glory hole situation where they stuck their tool through and the magic happened on the other side.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 6
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
What about when the culture looks clean but still leads to funky jars/tubs? Theres many posts on here about enmeshed mold/bacteria on cultures that otherwise look clean.




My opinion, operator error. I grow many different bacteria and molds on purpose as well as countless varieties of mushroom mycelium. It's extremely rare to find mold of any kind "hiding" or "enmeshed" in with mycelium from the genus Psilocybe. It is typically visible and almost always causes a reaction of some sort. Bacteria infections or infestations are typically also visible.

Enmeshed mold and bacteria are often touted but in my opinion lack any merit and should stop being parroted all the time. Unpopular opinion I know I know.

What it boils down to is weak genetics and susceptibility, and possibly or even very likely mycopsychology. Is there strife within the colony? Is the colony always trying to eject an outcast like those cultures that never stop scalloping? Black sheep syndrome leads to green tubs. Will to live is important. Really there is no way to nail down a 1+1=2 scenario with mushrooms. There's too much ∞/1 going on.

Hope that helps.... :laugh2:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
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Way said:
Yeah but every time those walls flex it's creating waves of air, isn't it?



absolutely.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: maui] * 1
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WHERE THE FUCK IS SIR PSYCHO


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