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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Proposition 122]
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Oh Im not very scientific I just seem to get bruising on the dry plates after months of storage.  the wet ones I dont so I justify my ugly ass plates.  Im just making excuses for having foggy plates but also, it hides the ugly sediments that are also ever-present in my plates.  i make pretty jars and fugly plates.  it is known.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Proposition 122]
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Hi experts :cool:,

I've been watching an outdoor bed of psilocybe cyanescens mycelium developing over the past year. First time watching a bed like this.

I noticed two months or so ago the colony took off. A month later, the colony had subsided, and the mulch/woodchip bed was notably decomposed. I ultimately added a bunch of new woodchips, mostly directly on top. The colony seems to be doing alright but it's sitting under a few inches of mostly not-inoculated chips. With fruiting season coming up, I'm wondering if the mycelium may be too deep for fruits to surface. Would that be possible? Or would the mushrooms find a way up?

In the Bay Area if it matters. I'm thinking about removing the top layer after the current heat wave dies down and we start to dip temps at night.

Any recommendations from the experts?

Thanks! :cool::mushroom2:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sfmycoman]
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sfmycoman said:
Hi experts :cool:,

I've been watching an outdoor bed of psilocybe cyanescens mycelium developing over the past year. First time watching a bed like this.

I noticed two months or so ago the colony took off. A month later, the colony had subsided, and the mulch/woodchip bed was notably decomposed. I ultimately added a bunch of new woodchips, mostly directly on top. The colony seems to be doing alright but it's sitting under a few inches of mostly not-inoculated chips. With fruiting season coming up, I'm wondering if the mycelium may be too deep for fruits to surface. Would that be possible? Or would the mushrooms find a way up?

In the Bay Area if it matters. I'm thinking about removing the top layer after the current heat wave dies down and we start to dip temps at night.

Any recommendations from the experts?

Thanks! :cool::mushroom2:


christ thats cool but im not touchin that with a ten foot pole, but i will tell you who to ask:

Ayeplus.  I believe he can help with that.  seek him out it he doesnt respond in a day or so.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sfmycoman] * 1
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I haven't noticed a lot of p. Cyanescens growers on the boards over the years, but I would ask in the outdoor growers thread, and I think there may be a woodlovers thread somewhere


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Yeah definately take it to the woodlovers thread. Lots of people grow cyans there.

Woodlovers


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: thirdeyewild]
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Do these jars look ready for substrate? Would y'all consider this 100%? I do see some myc on each piece of grain.





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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: shakology]
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No, fully colonized mean fully colonized...


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: shakology]
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Bacterial. They should be completely white.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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Would you recommend another shake? or just a little bit more patience...


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: shakology] * 1
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Theyre probably toast tbh. If they werent they should finish very quickly since its well spread out. If it doesnt resemble the picture I posted in another 2 days theyre trash.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
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They're definitely bacterial, but I pretty much always recommend newbs to spawn them unless they're really bad. You may be able to squeeze something out of em, if not it's good experience.

I'd be more willing to make a spawn/top fruit decision closer to 100%


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 2
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I wish I could get spawn like that to fruit. Ive had far better jars just never pin, let alone fruit.

Maybe keep the best 1 or 2 and try to top fruit.

Not sure if this is a widely accepted hypothesis but it seems certain varities are better at fruiting from bacterial spawn than others.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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I'm sure each culture has different levels of "contam resistance" or rather aggression, on a second look, it is looking like it's struggling.

That being said, I'm reading a book about high performance that describes tennis players making more improvements by making unjudgmental observations of their performance than they did asking pros for tips. You should check out "the inner game of tennis." Good so far


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 3
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I’ll be honest I’m starting to think a lot of “bacterial” spawn isn’t all that bacterial. And if it is, bacteria isn’t that big of a problem. Obviously highly bacterial spawn is a problem, but I’ve been told all my spawn is bacterial and it will reliably go to flush 4-5 every time. In short it performs identically to identified anexic spawn.

So do we think you can have some signs of bacterial spawn without it being bacterial? Like we know condensation is a marker for bacteria, but anexic spawn can also have condensation


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 4
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Be careful who you take advice from. Ime, bacterial spawn runs along a spectrum. On one end you'll push fruits, on the extreme opposite end you'll get nothing but excessive moisture and pools of metabolites, maybe even mold, and just about everything in between.

Just because someone looks at a picture only to claim your spawn is bacterial, doesn't make it so. You may not even have bacterial spawn, but if you did it surely wouldn't perform the same as axenic spawn.

I wouldn't use a single indicator to diagnose bacteria, multiple visual indicators is best,  two at least. Condensation is a great example of this because on it's own it could indicate a number of environmental conditions other than a bacterial infection. The greater the number of indicators, the greater the certainty. This goes for any solitary indicator, stressed mycelium may be the product of something other than a bacterial infection.

Plenty of folks handing out advice with the purest of intentions miss the mark, pictures can only tell part of the story, especially when dealing with solitary markers that may or may not indicate stress, condensation would be at the top of that list, imo.

There are folks who take this position:

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You can't know if your spawn is bacterial without a microscope; or a lab test, or unless under xy or z conditions...


This is my response. What are the possibilities? Let's use logic, let's use the process of elimination to reach a reasonable conclusion:

There's very few organisms which can potentially survive the pressure and temperature of an autoclave.

Mold is out unless it's obvious, and it most certainly will be, eventually at least;
Yeast is out for the same reason;
Biological artifacts resulting from the thermal destruction of bacteria or molds are a possibility;
Agro chems;
Bacteria and their endospores.

These are the most likely candidates, at least in my most humble and marginally educated estimation. Ultimately we're left with 2 most likely options:

Bacteria or their byproducts. Why? Because they're ubiquitous and are the entire reason we utilize pressure cookers/autoclaves, an improper cycle will produce issues with bacteria, not so with molds or yeasts due to their sensitivity to heat. In extreme cases when seasoned cultivators have reached their wits end, I'd assume the presence of chems not readily destroyed via heat/pressure, which ia rare, imo/exp.

Any excess thwrmal activity, moisture, stress, etc, etc, will likely be due to bacteria for those reasons, which should be self evident when considering the alternatives.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
Just because someone looks at a picture only to claim your spawn is bacterial, doesn't make it so. You may not even have bacterial spawn, but it surely doesn't perform the same as axenic spawn.



Could you elaborate on this paragraph for me? I’m a little confused as to what that last sentence means. Does anexic spawn respond in some way I don’t understand?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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First time grower and wondering if the two larger ones in the back of the picture are ready for harvesting and tips on how to harvest if they are ready.

I see somewhat of a veil surrounding each of the two mushrooms but am unsure.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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There's definitely signs that people point to as bacteria that can just be moisture issues.

My last jars I spawned looked pretty bacterial, but they colonized and recovered great, and when I broke them up they broke easy and smelled great. My mom was visiting and told me my place smelled like mushrooms.

Pretty sure I just didn't dry em quite enough.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Let your mushrooms show their gills, if you wanna eat em now you could, but you should let em grow more.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Smellyhobbit said:
Stipe-n Cap said:
Just because someone looks at a picture only to claim your spawn is bacterial, doesn't make it so. You may not even have bacterial spawn, but it surely doesn't perform the same as axenic spawn.



Could you elaborate on this paragraph for me? I’m a little confused as to what that last sentence means. Does anexic spawn respond in some way I don’t understand?



I made an addition to the post, but what I meant specifically was that if your spawn sees you through 5 flushes, your spawn is fine. Bacterial spawn won't push 5 flushes, that's essentially what I was saying. If you had bacterial spawn, despite what prognosis the peanut gallery prescribed, it wouldn't flush out 5 times without issues.

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