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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: mrbones]
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mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


Co2 is heavier than air so it will fill a cup and stay there like water.... just look at theatrical fog floating across a stage (Co2 fog, not synthetic Roscoe fog)... so holes at about substrate level will allow this carbon dioxide to vent... You could also have a fan I suppose that'll stir up the settled gas and exchange it.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: mrbones] * 1
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mrbones said:
Hey all, was looking for some confirmation that my first monotub is fucked.

Followed bods unmodified tub and oat prep.

Primary source of fuck up was probably prepping all jars at once (grains to inoculate + jars for g2g) and keeping the g2g jars in fridge for the 3 weeks while mother jars readied. Will avoid that in the future.

Anyways, 19 days since spawn. No pins.



One corner has looked weird and dry for a long time. Won't take on any water from misting. Noticing very small blue dots near that corner which I imagine is tich but it hasn't grown in 5 days or so. Tub doesn't look green at all in real life, but the photo is perhaps showing it's true colors.



Temp fluctuations are large, 63-78 on a given day. Should even out as the days get warmer but I'm sure that it hasn't helped.

Going to start from scratch and start over but going to watch this tub for a couple more days to see what happens.

Also, if this tub predictively goes to hell, can I use it as nutrients in a raised bed vegetable garden?



looks a bit dry?
have you read this?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=23999053&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

I think 19 days is ok not to have pins, mine sometimes take longer.

if, however, it is toast, then yeah, mix it into your beds, my strawberries absolutely loved the stuff :laugh:
:highfive:

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: keeno]
    #28312729 -

WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...


keeno said:
looks a bit dry?
have you read this?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=23999053&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

I think 19 days is ok not to have pins, mine sometimes take longer.

if, however, it is toast, then yeah, mix it into your beds, my strawberries absolutely loved the stuff :laugh:
:highfive:


I did look at that surface conditions thread thanks! But I think I went overboard to try and avoid standing water and undermisted it. I'll give it a good misting and see how it goes. Thank you!

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: mrbones]
    #28312731 -

mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.





Edit: Eh it might be dry. Been concerned about swamping it. Just gave it a good spray.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


It is also my (ignorant or blossoming) belief that once a substrate is colonized with mycelium that it sort of become water resistant. I do not believe that you want puddled water in the tub but that being said, you don't want the substrate to dry out either.

Mush is 90% water and I believe that comes from the substrate and the misting just is for having a humid environment yet I don't believe much if any of that water mist become fresh mushroom weight.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: WhatEyeFind]
    #28312743 -

WhatEyeFind said:
mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.





Edit: Eh it might be dry. Been concerned about swamping it. Just gave it a good spray.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


It is also my (ignorant or blossoming) belief that once a substrate is colonized with mycelium that it sort of become water resistant. I do not believe that you want puddled water in the tub but that being said, you don't want the substrate to dry out either.

Mush is 90% water and I believe that comes from the substrate and the misting just is for having a humid environment yet I don't believe much if any of that water mist become fresh mushroom weight.


I am growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms to learn mycology. NorthSpore Spray and Grow kit will stay colonized and 'dormant' until you cut open the bag allowing the mycelium to air, (oxygen) light, (just a little, indirect) and a humid environment.
I suspect because you are not allowing the Co2 to 'drain' out of the bottom of your deep tub by vent holes just above the substrate (top of substrate or 'grade') level that you may be drowning the mycelium in Co2 and therefore it is not activating the fruiting (it thinks it is still in the colonization phase)

Co2 is a gas and doesn't need big holes for it to bleed out.
Mushrooms, unlike plants, breath in oxygen and expel carbon
dioxide.

Try this to check the o2 level within your tub.
Light a Bic lighter and slowly lower the flame down into your tub. Does it stay lit of does it begin to extinguish as it reaches a certain level as you lower it? Please return and tell me (us) your results


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Edited by WhatEyeFind (05/09/23 03:16 PM)

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: WhatEyeFind] * 2
    #28312753 -

WhatEyeFind said:
WhatEyeFind said:
mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.





Edit: Eh it might be dry. Been concerned about swamping it. Just gave it a good spray.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


It is also my (ignorant or blossoming) belief that once a substrate is colonized with mycelium that it sort of become water resistant. I do not believe that you want puddled water in the tub but that being said, you don't want the substrate to dry out either.

Mush is 90% water and I believe that comes from the substrate and the misting just is for having a humid environment yet I don't believe much if any of that water mist become fresh mushroom weight.


I am growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms to learn mycology. NorthSpore Spray and Grow kit will stay colonized and 'dormant' until you cut open the bag allowing the mycelium to air, (oxygen) light, (just a little, indirect) and a humid environment.
I suspect because you are not allowing the Co2 to 'drain' out of the bottom of your deep tub by vent holes just above the substrate (top of substrate or 'grade') level that you may be drowning the mycelium in Co2 and therefore it is not activating the fruiting (it thinks it is still in the colonization phase)

Co2 is a gas and doesn't need big holes for it to bleed out.
Mushrooms, unlike plants, breath in oxygen and expel carbon
dioxide.

Try this to check the o2 level within your tub.
Light a Bic lighter and slowly lower the flame down into your tub. Does it stay lit of does it begin to extinguish as it reaches a certain level as you lower it? Please return and tell me (us) your results


Curious...where are you getting your information?


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: WhatEyeFind]
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That's a neat trick. The flame didn't appear to have any problems but it's possible it's because I've had the top off recently to give it a good mist.

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
    #28312760 -

Quote:
Curious...where are you getting your information?


Reading, research, experimentation, experience, and a vast knowledge base on many subjects and artforms...

that and shameless diarrhea of the mouth (keyboard) and then letting smart guys show me where I am wrong.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28312763 -

SirPsycho said:
If you can see the myc, you can transfer the myc.


Here are some pics. It grew a lot and there's a shitload of sporophores now since my first post, it was just a tiny cluster of dots in the core, not they are everywhere. This is fucking fascinating, look at that thing! :laugh:

I think I'll do the transfers anyway, I've never done any before and it's good practice for me.







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I also dabble in bacteria

I'm also a retard sometimes

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: mrbones]
    #28312765 -

mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.





Edit: Eh it might be dry. Been concerned about swamping it. Just gave it a good spray.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


Just leave lid a little loose and make sure surface looks like that. You're good πŸ‘


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: WhatEyeFind] * 5
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Bro science.
WhatEyeFind said:
WhatEyeFind said:
mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.





Edit: Eh it might be dry. Been concerned about swamping it. Just gave it a good spray.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


It is also my (ignorant or blossoming) belief that once a substrate is colonized with mycelium that it sort of become water resistant. I do not believe that you want puddled water in the tub but that being said, you don't want the substrate to dry out either.

Mush is 90% water and I believe that comes from the substrate and the misting just is for having a humid environment yet I don't believe much if any of that water mist become fresh mushroom weight.


I am growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms to learn mycology. NorthSpore Spray and Grow kit will stay colonized and 'dormant' until you cut open the bag allowing the mycelium to air, (oxygen) light, (just a little, indirect) and a humid environment.
I suspect because you are not allowing the Co2 to 'drain' out of the bottom of your deep tub by vent holes just above the substrate (top of substrate or 'grade') level that you may be drowning the mycelium in Co2 and therefore it is not activating the fruiting (it thinks it is still in the colonization phase)

Co2 is a gas and doesn't need big holes for it to bleed out.
Mushrooms, unlike plants, breath in oxygen and expel carbon
dioxide.

Try this to check the o2 level within your tub.
Light a Bic lighter and slowly lower the flame down into your tub. Does it stay lit of does it begin to extinguish as it reaches a certain level as you lower it? Please return and tell me (us) your results


Bro science in the house.


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Let's stay focused on what works consistently.

"Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall..."

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: altford78] * 2
    #28312775 -

You have unwanted spores in there now, transfer asap and as slow and carefully as possible.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: WhatEyeFind] * 3
    #28312790 -

WhatEyeFind said:
Quote:
Curious...where are you getting your information?


Reading, research, experimentation, experience, and a vast knowledge base on many subjects and artforms...

that and shameless diarrhea of the mouth (keyboard) and then letting smart guys show me where I am wrong.


Got it. Only asked because it mostly seemed like the latter instead of the former.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
    #28312797 -

How many desiccant packs for a 1.8 litre / 63.4 oz jar for long term storage?

0.5g or 1g packs?

Sorry, overthinking again.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cozmyc] * 1
    #28312801 -

cozmyc said:
You have unwanted spores in there now, transfer asap and as slow and carefully as possible.


Will do! I'll just cut wedges from the prettiest cube myc the furthest away from the mold myc and see what grows.

Side questions, when we see the sporophores on mold is there a way to know if it has actually began sporulating? Like a visual cue or a timeframe? I tried googling but couldn't find much.

EDIT: No time for the transfer today, will have to wait like 12h or so, I really wonder what it's going to look like by then.


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I also dabble in bacteria

I'm also a retard sometimes

Edited by altford78 (05/09/23 04:28 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 2
    #28312803 -

Yahra said:
How many desiccant packs for a 1.8 litre / 63.4 oz jar for long term storage?

0.5g or 1g packs?

Sorry, overthinking again.


I've always used 1g per qt as my rule of thumb.

Seems to jive with this desiccant calculator as well.

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: WhatEyeFind] * 3
    #28312810 -

WhatEyeFind said:
WhatEyeFind said:
mrbones said:
WhatEyeFind said:
What is your humidity level?
How is your air exchange?
IMH(A)O it seems like you only likely need to make minor change to encourage fruiting...



Thanks for the response!

At the moment the top upside down on the tub. There's no fan or other holes to increase airflow. A couple days ago I tried removing the cover for a couple hours at a time while misting but nothing happened. Humidity seems OK at the moment but it may have been a little dry those days experimenting with taking the top off.





Edit: Eh it might be dry. Been concerned about swamping it. Just gave it a good spray.

Should I try more air again to encourage pinning?


It is also my (ignorant or blossoming) belief that once a substrate is colonized with mycelium that it sort of become water resistant. I do not believe that you want puddled water in the tub but that being said, you don't want the substrate to dry out either.

Mush is 90% water and I believe that comes from the substrate and the misting just is for having a humid environment yet I don't believe much if any of that water mist become fresh mushroom weight.


I am growing gourmet and medicinal mushrooms to learn mycology. NorthSpore Spray and Grow kit will stay colonized and 'dormant' until you cut open the bag allowing the mycelium to air, (oxygen) light, (just a little, indirect) and a humid environment.
I suspect because you are not allowing the Co2 to 'drain' out of the bottom of your deep tub by vent holes just above the substrate (top of substrate or 'grade') level that you may be drowning the mycelium in Co2 and therefore it is not activating the fruiting (it thinks it is still in the colonization phase)

Co2 is a gas and doesn't need big holes for it to bleed out.
Mushrooms, unlike plants, breath in oxygen and expel carbon
dioxide.

Try this to check the o2 level within your tub.
Light a Bic lighter and slowly lower the flame down into your tub. Does it stay lit of does it begin to extinguish as it reaches a certain level as you lower it? Please return and tell me (us) your results


:jonespalm:


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: PBJ710]
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Thanks, very useful!

:grampofapproval:


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 1
    #28312813 -

Yahra said:
How many desiccant packs for a 1.8 litre / 63.4 oz jar for long term storage?

0.5g or 1g packs?

Sorry, overthinking again.


A good rule of thumb is 1 gram is good for about 1 litre.

I'd use 2 1g packs to be safe.

Also, thanks for asking this question. Made me realize my 5g bags are waaaaay overkill.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] * 1
    #28312833 -

Way said:
WhatEyeFind said:
Quote:
Curious...where are you getting your information?


Reading, research, experimentation, experience, and a vast knowledge base on many subjects and artforms...

that and shameless diarrhea of the mouth (keyboard) and then letting smart guys show me where I am wrong.


Got it. Only asked because it mostly seemed like the latter instead of the former.


gotcha, well said. thanks...


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