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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 1
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the Chipsi is certainly gonna work. A long time sponsor that sells woodlover myco-restoration boxes supplies them on this exact size of chip. I have been normally using large sorta inch size chips for my projects, but I ran some of that through the shredder for some recent stuff I started and I really like it personally

only issue with it I can see is it not lasting as long on the ground when it has more surface area like that, but as long as you top it up between seasons then it shouldn't matter

keen to hear what chip size others advocate generally. The DIY shredded stuff has a lot of fines because the shredder is a piece of shit, but that may turn out to be a plus I feel, more like the wood matrix I have heard mentioned as the ideal, lots of mixed sizes of material

Edited by SingularFusion (01/17/23 11:24 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SingularFusion] * 1
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I will probably just have to visit you if I need bigger batches of chips my friend ;-)

I only need the chips for the Bags I want to colonize, I will (as you know) do guerillia outdoor beds. I will topp them off with bigger pieces that I cut by hand. But will just be random hardwood and not treated in any way. Going to keep it as simple as possible. That's why I though I would mix the chips with some soil/peat whatever falls in my hands^^


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 7
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Serbica clone in vitro.



Hunter's Azzies. The wood-grain jar about finished colonizing now so I put it back on Agar. High hopes in this culture.



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Re: Outdoor Bed decline and no Fruits [Re: 0t0lerance]
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0t0lerance said:
Shrimps said:
QQ to the woodlover pro's:

Just got some beech-woodchips, are they too small or should that suffice for cyans, azzys and ovoids? I would mix it up with a bit peat or wormcasings (ofc pasteurized) to then inoculate them with grainspawn. (first time doing woodlovers so^^)



Or would you recommend an other approach?


Tweeq has nice journal: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27072912



Might be bit too fine, but it will probably still work, maybe mix it in with something a bit bulkier.

These "Western" brand chips are working the best for me.  The chips version, not chunks.  You can use a few chunks for something large for to feast on, but mostly chips.  I start adding big stuff once well established.

https://cdn-tp3.mozu.com/24645-37138/cms/37138/files/d71c6cff-d98e-4346-b8a6-7dc8c62f6d0d?quality=60&_mzcb=_1649148331752

Ovoids devour maple, apple, and hickory that i've tried.  Never tried beech.  If you check at walmart at the end of summer you can get them on clearance for a dollar a bag or less. In the outdoor area, right before the Halloween and Christmas shit goes up.  Still more expensive then mulch, but it is so much cleaner and easier to work with.  I just boil them, let cool and rinse twice. 

Your likely to end up with busted up pallets and trashy wood stuff like that in the generic wood mulch sold around here.  I did hear a local company advertise on radio they had a "natural wood mulch from a forest with no waste wood" or something like that I might go check out after the next fruiting season is over.

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Re: Outdoor Bed decline and no Fruits [Re: Ps.NoName] * 5
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Started some cyan plates.


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The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 3
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Shrimps said:
QQ to the woodlover pro's:

Just got some beech-woodchips, are they too small or should that suffice for cyans, azzys and ovoids? I would mix it up with a bit peat or wormcasings (ofc pasteurized) to then inoculate them with grainspawn. (first time doing woodlovers so^^)



Or would you recommend an other approach?


I don't see why those wouldn't work in a pinch, but generally you want chips about the size of a thumb or so.  They will eat beech, so there you go.  Don't mix them with worm castings, just the peat or make a 3-4" chip layer on top of some potting soil in a pot if you're just doing a porch grow.  The larger chips take them longer to gnaw through and the patch can last a couple of seasons, they may eat those little chips fast, so mixing in larger bits of broken branches (shooting for thumb to middle finger size) will help a lot.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
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Adas said:
Hunter's Azzies. The wood-grain jar about finished colonizing now so I put it back on Agar. High hopes in this culture.



What makes this one special? Got a print from Anno from last fall, from the 12x T1 I've picked the best looking mycelium and combined it into 3 jars... hope it all came out clean.. saved the T1's just in case.. maybe I'll dump the rest into another jar of grain for good measure. Lots of genetics going so I'm curious what I'll end up with after x years of waiting.. :rockon: ..

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] * 2
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My RH was apparently too low. I changed that though with a fruiting chamber. We'll see if I shall get another flush or not (without dunking).



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] * 1
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Hunter had them fruit in like September/October in nearly 30°C temps. So they could be a warm-fruiting strain. Time will tell.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas]
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QQ: Should I let the woodchips ferment a bit before using them in bags, or does boiling and soaking suffice? And can just dead wood and leaves suffice as topping for outdoor patches? I don't want to use like a bunch of woodchips since they are in a small forest just where I live and should a bit discreet :laugh:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 1
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I'd let it ferment. Or inoculate with Bacillus if you wanna be fancy. The Bengal I spawned on Beech chips (similar to your Chipsi) that were inoculated with B. subtilis did great and colonized without a single mold colony appearing on the chips.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
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Ah I'm not that fancy :laugh: Was thinking of fermenting the chipis and then just mix them with some pasteurized peat in mico bags and hit them for science in the oven at 70° for 4hours. Going to let them sit a couple of days then before inoculating with grain spawn.

Sounds (to me at least) like a good plan ^^ (working with SAB and no fh. otherwise I would sterilize them^^)

Edit: and thanks for your respons btw :hug:


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Edited by Shrimps (01/18/23 02:26 PM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Shrimps] * 1
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All right y'all, I've been cleaning up some cyan myc on agar from spores given to me by the generous Nef. Thought I had a fairly clean plate and decided to throw a wedge into an LC jar.

Well it's definitely bacterial, it's pretty cloudy but there's myc in there too. So I'm thinking I'm just going to hydrate some woodchips, toss them into a 5 gal bucket and pour the shitty LC in and see what happens while I keep cleaning up my agar.

Here's my question, should I cover the bucket with some plastic wrap with holes or something while it colonizes? Or should I just leave the bucket open? I'm just going to let it sit in my garage at about 60F. First adventure into woodlovers so I'm feeling a little lost and there's obviously not a ton of great info out there. Everything I know about cubes makes me want to at least loosely cover the bucket

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ChinaCat] * 1
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I don't think they'll like being in a bucket, and leave it uncovered.  I think you will have better luck throwing some dirty plates into a bucket than you will with LC.  Direct plate to chips can work just fine, but start with a smaller mass of chips to colonize.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Yeah I mean my long term plan isn't to just dump LC on woodchips. I just already have 500mL of dirty LC that I don't want to just dump down the drain.

I'm planning on cleaning up my agar plates and going to grain before woodchips but just wanted to see if I could get some chips started in the meantime from this shitty LC :shrug:

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: ChinaCat] * 2
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Try it. Can’t hurt. If it’s in the garage shouldn’t need covered? I only cover containers if it sits out in the rain. :shrug:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: NothingsChanged] * 2
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My 3 ovoid shoeboxes (filled to about 3qts each, alder shavings+alder smoker chips) are basically 99% colonized now. They only took 12 days which is kinda wild to me but it was a high spawn ratio (1:2) and a finer substrate.

Any votes on my next steps? I was thinking of expanding to a bigger tub with bigger woodchips and starting a patch outside. It seems like every block around me got a woodchip pile delivered last week, so I've got plenty available now. I might even noc up a few of those while I'm at it.

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: TheDuder] * 2
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Absolutely do a patch outside!


Today my ovoid mycelium went outside! How late is too late for spring fruits?

So I finally have all of my beds made. Ovoids, cyans, azures, and subs.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: huicholstudent] * 2
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huicholstudent said:
Very interesting Nef--since the environmental conditions needed to grow Psilocybe subaeruginosa are interchangeable with places where cyans grow, are folks having luck with starting outdoor patches in areas of the US such as the PNW? Nef have you found cultivating Psilocybe subaeruginosa so far similar to cyans in terms of germinating on agar etc?


sorry man, missed your question somehow

yeah I only have them on agar so far. I use the same agar mix for everything, but I reduce the grain water concentration for fast and whispy exotics, which I would not consider WLs to be. For sure people are cultivating them side by side with cyan, not sure if PNW or not. LandTrout hasn't been around but he is cultivating all the WLs side by side pretty much and may be worth a conversation

They for sure will have their own slight nuance and ecological niche as to the materials that would be best suited to the ideal, but they also will perform adequately outside of the ideal is my bet, much like the whole woodlover complex does. I dunno if you have seen those picture charts of all the different Sub phenos, but they are interesting to me because of the staggering variation in morphology which has them looking exactly like all the other woodlovers, depending on the local phenotype. Or looking like very much their own thing, like the banana yellow capped one. Pretty cool species to work with by the look of it

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: SingularFusion]
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Thanks for the response Nef--I'm curious to read how you progress with your Psilocybe subaeruginos. Are you planning on making an outdoor patch?

I have seen the picture charts folks have shared here on the shroomery and also the genetic data on subs and similar/linked species such as cyans and azzies. I am very interested in theories around the origins of these woodlovers--one dominant one being azzies and cyans hitched a ride on dune grass from Australia in the late 1800's to the Oregon coast in efforts to fight sand dune erosion. This theory makes sense since subs and cyans and azzies look so similar and their genetic makeup are also very similar. I also read Stamets believes cyans drifted down rivers from the mountains to the sea but this theory isn't supported by much evidence as far as I can tell. Very cool species and variations indeed! Keep us posted on your progress.

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