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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Divided_Sky]
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I decided to read up a bit to make sure that I was correct on how Israel was formed. And I was right. They were given land that did not belong to just one religion and then the people of the region started to get pissed. Why wouldn't they? Their methods of fighting are wrong but they do have a legitimate grievance.

It was wrong to try and separate out a people in order for them to have a nation of one religion and not be persicuted. Here's a quote from my search,"Paradoxically, the idea of a Jewish state was also supported for antisemitic reasons". Tolerance should have been the focus instead of, "where can we stick these people out of the way"

In any case, Israel is just as bad as the terrorist. They just have popular support.

Here's a timeline to Israel's history.
http://www.mideastweb.org/timeline.htm


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Ekstaza]
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In any case, Israel is just as bad as the terrorist. They just have popular support.


And you're right. At least up until the scumbag homicide bombers started. Then the bombers and the Palastinian leaders become the Worse of the two.


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Ekstaza]
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Ekstaza said:
I decided to read up a bit to make sure that I was correct on how Israel was formed. And I was right. They were given land that did not belong to just one religion and then the people of the region started to get pissed. Why wouldn't they? Their methods of fighting are wrong but they do have a legitimate grievance.



None of these nations existed as they were. The nation that is now Iraq was made up of three distinctly different tribes, the Kurds, Sunni's and Shiites. The irregularity of the British doling the land out is constant throughout that area. Are you saying that you support the genocidal campaign against the Kurds by Iraq because they were given land that doesn't belong to just one religion? They don't have any more of a 'legitimate grievance' than Iraq did when it tried to take over Kuwait. Remember how they wanted the ground that used to be theres? Did you support that?

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It was wrong to try and separate out a people in order for them to have a nation of one religion and not be persicuted. Here's a quote from my search,"Paradoxically, the idea of a Jewish state was also supported for antisemitic reasons". Tolerance should have been the focus instead of, "where can we stick these people out of the way"



The Jews wanted their own land, European anti-Semites wanted them out of their hair. Works for both.
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In any case, Israel is just as bad as the terrorist. They just have popular support.



Israel has the same right to exist that Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the other nations that the British made do. NONE of these nations existed before WWII. The British, the legitamite owners of the land after destroying the previous occupying force, doled it out as they desired. If you think that Iraq has a "Right to exist", then so does Israel.

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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
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The Jews wanted their own land, European anti-Semites wanted them out of their hair. Works for both.



So because it was in the interest of alot of Europeans to go and move into Arab lands it was alright?


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
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The Jews wanted their own land, European anti-Semites wanted them out of their hair. Works for both.




So because it was in the interest of alot of Europeans to go and move into Arab lands it was alright?


Yeah, it saved money on gas chambers and synagogue burnings.


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
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None of these nations existed as they were.

What nation does? Do you think America has always consisted of white men?

The Jews wanted their own land, European anti-Semites wanted them out of their hair. Works for both.

You call the situation in Israel "working"? Are you serious? Why didn't America offer them some of their land?

Israel has the same right to exist that Iraq

ALONGSIDE PALESTINE!


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Yeah, it saved money on gas chambers and synagogue burnings.

And of course giving them land in America instead of taking it from the arabs would have saved all the problems they've got now...


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Xlea321]
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Maybe you weren't aware, but more Jews actually immigrated to the US than Israel.


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Divided_Sky]
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So why not simply give them their own land and save all the trouble with the arabs?


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Xlea321]
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I feel like a broken record: the Jews never took any land from the Arabs until the Arabs tried to invade them. The British gave 80% of Palestine to the Arabs under Jordan, and the other half of what was left to the Palestinian State. Israel barely got any of it at all.
Not only that, but when Zionism started there were only several hundred thousand people living in that entire area (Israel/Palestine/Jordan). Most were mediteranian farmers or Beduin Arabs. These people ended up becomming citizens of Israel or Jordan.
The majority of Arabs living in the land at the time of Israeli Independence in 1948 were immigrants from other Arab countries (about 700,000 of them compared to 500,000 Jews). They actually immigrated at the same time and in greater numbers than the Zionists but nobody complains about them stealing Druz or Beduin land. What is ridiculous is that simply by their ethnicity people assume that they were indigenous.
If the Jews have no right to be in Palestine neither do most of the Arabs.

Also, the idea that Israel took land from the Arabs is a little silly when 20% of Israel's population IS Arab. Those Arabs enjoy more rights and liberties in Israel than in any other middle eastern nation.


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Divided_Sky]
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The British gave 80% of Palestine to the Arabs under Jordan



Yeah and that had sbsolutely nothing to do with the Jews righht? lol.


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Divided_Sky]
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I totally agree with what d_s said here, but I'm going to interject what I think SS will say when he reads it, and nip his arguments in the bud.
Divided_Sky said:
I do not have time to respond to the rest of your allegations but I think this one has a simple answer. Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and has murdered hundreds of Israeli civilians and soldiers. Hamas is at war with Israel and therefore Hamas leaders and operatives are combatants under the rules of engagement and legitimate targets. Hamas is engage in a guerrilla campaign against Israel and Israel has a right to fight back. It is not an assasination but a military counter-attack.



He'll probably say something about the Articles of War or the Geneva Convention stating that members of regular armed forces must wear uniforms displaying insignia, carry weapons openly, and other such things that Hamas doesn't do. I'll just pop in here and say "Well golly, didn't you say that Israelies were targets because of their military service?". I'm sure that it won't cut both ways. the US and her allies are evil imperialists and the arabs are peaceloving people.
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It seems absurd to complain about one combatant in a war to kill another that is trying to murder its civilians. There is nothing unlawful about that.


Agreed.

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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: GazzBut]
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GazzBut said:
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The British gave 80% of Palestine to the Arabs under Jordan



Yeah and that had sbsolutely nothing to do with the Jews righht? lol.


I'm not sure what you are talking about. A Jewish conspiracy to give all of Palestine to the Arabs? Sounds a little off to me...


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
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Churchill also said this in regards to the Middle east...

"I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilized tribes. The moral effects should be good, and it would spread a lively terror."


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: ruskifile]
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Have you ever heard Churchill's voice? That man could say whatever he wanted and it came out amazing and whimsical. If Winston told me to jump off a bridge I'd ask "how high?"


listen to him


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: sir tripsalot]
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Oh I agree...the old "fight them on the beaches" speech was pretty stirring and you're right about the note of whimsy too. And a damn quick wit which is still quoted 60 years later...can't see too many politicians today who will make that  :rolleyes: unless for idiocy lol


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: sir tripsalot]
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If Winston told me to jump off a bridge I'd ask "how high?"




Surely that would depend on the bridge winnie asked you to jump off, not some personal preference of old winnies!!


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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: Xlea321]
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Alex123 said:
What nation does? Do you think America has always consisted of white men?



I'm shocked that you missed the point. The legitamacy of Israel is always called into question, but the legitamacy of, say, Iraq or Iran isn't. Why? The same force lead to the existance of all of these nations, only one has a UN charter.
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The Jews wanted their own land, European anti-Semites wanted them out of their hair. Works for both.
You call the situation in Israel "working"? Are you serious? Why didn't America offer them some of their land?



I think that the basic premise works for the Israelites and the Europeans. Why doesn't Saudi Arabia offer the Palestineans some of their land?
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Where have I ever said different?

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Re: Why not the UK? [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
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The legitamacy of Israel is always called into question

Not really. It's the problem of Palestine.

Why doesn't Saudi Arabia offer the Palestineans some of their land?

Funnily enough I remember someone else having this exact same idea..

Posted by TOYK:


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So why don't you recommend that Saudi Arabia give a big chunk oftheir barren desert land to the " palestineans", and let the Jews have the land that has been theirs historically for thousands of years?




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