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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: falcon] * 1
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Bleach is more cost effective than vinegar but vinegar penetrates deeper. Jerusalem's iniquities could be in employing the vinegar of emotional outbursts to underscore Her actions thus employing rage and violence.

The levelling of the playing field in Isa 40:4 could be when Jerusalem's actions are vindicated and rage/violence are ratified by both parties to be policy.

How then are the way of the saints/children prepared for them to arrive at that product? we may ask.

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
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Yoga Philosophy of Patanjali - Swami Hariharananda Aranyak.pdf

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
we are that mind already
continuously creating the universe we see into intelligent meanings and expectations


you are consciousness.

mind is neither here nor there in the matter.

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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IS is all you IS. You ARE. We conveniently label this consciousness. I'd say consciousness is the ability to conceptualize. This is important to understand.

That which is said to exist can only be declared existent from a place of consciousness; and that which is conscious must, obviously, exist.  Something has to be conscious before that thing can be declared to be a thing which exists, which means before it can be declared to be a thing at all. 

In other words, existence is always going to be conscious. 

That which is not conscious cannot declare that it exists…only that which is conscious can declare anything as actually existing, be it the SELF or whatever the conscious SELF observes. 

Thus, anything which is said to exist gets its existence directly from consciousness because existence is, strictly speaking, a concept, and not a state of reality. 

In other words, nothing gets to exist unless a conscious SELF consciously declares it existing. 

Existence is not the thing in this case, consciousness is.

But the converse is also true, because we are speaking metaphysically. 

Existence likewise and equally drives consciousness. If something is conscious, then some THING, must be conscious.  Consciousness is not the thing.  Existence is the thing in this case.  So, conceptually speaking, depending on the context, existence can precede consciousness or consciousness can precede existence. 

Both proceed from the SELF, so the SELF is that which gets to define each in terms of the context…the frame of reference of the SELF and what the SELF is saying about reality in service to its own perpetuation and preservation. 

YOU are the reference point then for ALL of reality…all concepts have value only relative to YOU, because YOU are indeed the very center of the universe; all things exist only insofar as the exist TO YOU.


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"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance." — Confucius

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: falcon]
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falcon said:
Is this tendency inborn, if it is it's a natural antagonist to the inborn knowledge that there's a creator. And just so it's clear is temple you are referring to a building or the individual and the group collectively?


That's the sad part.  We know that we have a creator and yet we choose to worship the creation. (live for the flesh) ....

We invent superstitious mystical ideas about nature speaking itself into existence and gradually turning itself into humans with consciousness with which to contemplate itself.  Anything to escape accountability to our creator, so that we can be the gods of our own lives.

A temple holds that which is Most Holy, whether it be a building or a body.  And men have frequently turned it into a place of merchandise instead of worship.  Again, choosing the creation over the creator.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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Did the creator make us in a way that our preference is to live for the flesh?

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: falcon] * 1
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Creation creates itself.  Everyone wants a starting point but there isn't one.  Time just wraps around itself.  There really is no time outside of the over all structure.  It's just another color in the painting.

We have no real idea how huge creation.  Even creation is a politically loaded term.  Existence is a bit more eastern of a term.

People cannot handle the insanity it takes to see creation simply unfold and accept it as just that.  They need a mystery man to explain what is obviously simply complicated.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Creation creates itself.  Everyone wants a starting point but there isn't one.  Time just wraps around itself.  There really is no time outside of the over all structure.  It's just another color in the painting.

We have no real idea how huge creation.  Even creation is a politically loaded term.  Existence is a bit more eastern of a term.

People cannot handle the insanity it takes to see creation simply unfold and accept it as just that.  They need a mystery man to explain what is obviously simply complicated.


What is so complicated about it?  You're just making nature your god.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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No, God is an extremely loaded term.

There are no entities making fateful judgments.  There is no intelligent force.  Sure it may be fun to speculate and day dream, creating myth.  Yet it is very toxic to have convictions without anymore substance than myth.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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Who/what created the creator?


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"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance." — Confucius

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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He always existed cause his penis power is epic


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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the term supernatural implies something outside of nature, when using the term supernatural one is simply referring to some force of nature not yet understood, that force is the Mind

through Mind we realize Nothing exists and becomes everything now

this is the nature of creation


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
No, God is an extremely loaded term.

There are no entities making fateful judgments.  There is no intelligent force.  Sure it may be fun to speculate and day dream, creating myth.  Yet it is very toxic to have convictions without anymore substance than myth.


And so this supposed un-intelligent directionless eternal-nature-being has a tendency to occasionally spit out highly intelligent forces called humans who discuss philosophy over the internet.

When we don't want to believe in God, we'll believe in anything.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
the term supernatural implies something outside of nature, when using the term supernatural one is simply referring to some force of nature not yet understood, that force is the Mind


A software-designer would be super-natural compared to the nature of the encoded laws of their computer program. 

Humans, though bodily bound to physial law, actually interact in the realm of the supernatural constantly.
Ideas like love, sacrifice, honor, good & evil, transgression, justice, etc. are written all over our hearts, yet cannot be accounted for in the material realm...  Like God, we know these are real things and live by them daily, but we pretend they aren't real because we can't find a material source for them.  We can't find those ideas in the code of nature.

So we believe in all the beautiful things around us, but we don't believe in the Beautiful itself.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
- Jesus quoted in the Gospel of Matthew

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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saved7 said:
A software-designer would be super-natural compared to the nature of the encoded laws of their computer program. 

Humans, though bodily bound to physial law, actually interact in the realm of the supernatural constantly.
Ideas like love, sacrifice, honor, good & evil, transgression, justice, etc. are written all over our hearts, yet cannot be accounted for in the material realm...  Like God, we know these are real things and live by them daily, but we pretend they aren't real because we can't find a material source for them.  We can't find those ideas in the code of nature.

So we believe in all the beautiful things around us, but we don't believe in the Beautiful itself.


you have made excuses for wasting a lot of time looking for a programmer, and rather than correcting your ways, you are trying to enlist others to follow the wonky god march.


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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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saved7 said:
Morel Guy said:
No, God is an extremely loaded term.

There are no entities making fateful judgments.  There is no intelligent force.  Sure it may be fun to speculate and day dream, creating myth.  Yet it is very toxic to have convictions without anymore substance than myth.


And so this supposed un-intelligent directionless eternal-nature-being has a tendency to occasionally spit out highly intelligent forces called humans who discuss philosophy over the internet.

When we don't want to believe in God, we'll believe in anything.



It's not directionless, it goes in every direction it can (as in provided by prior setting).  Humans simply project a lot, it causes a great deal of our problems.  Mostly we don't know how to change our projecting and most tools that do that are illegal.  Probably because it does go every which way.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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saved7 said:
killingravensun said:
the term supernatural implies something outside of nature, when using the term supernatural one is simply referring to some force of nature not yet understood, that force is the Mind


A software-designer would be super-natural compared to the nature of the encoded laws of their computer program.


not at all, your statement even implies such, "their computer program", the system is predicated on several components, computers are a simple tool that is useless without a programmer, maybe you use a computer without realizing there is a programmer but that does not make the programmer a force unrelated to the system


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evil always wins, good can only do good, evil will lie and cheat until it fools good into doing evil

freedom is the ability to take wrong action, right actions are constrained by nature

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: saved7]
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saved7 said:
killingravensun said:
the term supernatural implies something outside of nature, when using the term supernatural one is simply referring to some force of nature not yet understood, that force is the Mind


A software-designer would be super-natural compared to the nature of the encoded laws of their computer program. 

Humans, though bodily bound to physial law, actually interact in the realm of the supernatural constantly.
Ideas like love, sacrifice, honor, good & evil, transgression, justice, etc. are written all over our hearts, yet cannot be accounted for in the material realm...  Like God, we know these are real things and live by them daily, but we pretend they aren't real because we can't find a material source for them.  We can't find those ideas in the code of nature.

So we believe in all the beautiful things around us, but we don't believe in the Beautiful itself.


Can you provide any evidence that human emotions and abstract concepts exist in "supernatural"?  No you can't.      https://simplicable.com/new/abstract-concept

Let's be very clear- human emotions and thoughts exist in the physical world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion

Human ideas exist in human brains, human brains exist in the physical world. There's nothing supernatural about it.

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: qman]
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nevertheless, there are higher conscious states and transcendent spaces [and "timeless" spaces, at that].

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Re: Deep down we all know that nature had a supernatural creator [Re: killingravensun]
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killingravensun said:
saved7 said:
killingravensun said:
the term supernatural implies something outside of nature, when using the term supernatural one is simply referring to some force of nature not yet understood, that force is the Mind


A software-designer would be super-natural compared to the nature of the encoded laws of their computer program.


not at all, your statement even implies such, "their computer program", the system is predicated on several components, computers are a simple tool that is useless without a programmer, maybe you use a computer without realizing there is a programmer but that does not make the programmer a force unrelated to the system


The computer program is based on a framework of laws (e.g. collision detection for objects in a videogame)... and the human designer is totally outside of those laws, or "supernatural" relative to the nature of the program.  It's an analogy.


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"Who do you say that I am?"
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