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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: The lurker] * 1
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What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....

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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: HerbalSteve]
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HerbalSteve said:
What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....



If you think I’m being a cock for what I just typed scroll throughout the rest of the thread. What I typed was pretty reasonable :shrug:

It’s kind of ridiculous when people think it’s not possible for them to have close eyed dmt esque experiences on an orally active form of dmt and go around telling other people “nah not what mushrooms are you shouldn’t be expecting that”


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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: The lurker]
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The lurker said:
HerbalSteve said:
What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....



If you think I’m being a cock for what I just typed scroll throughout the rest of the thread. What I typed was pretty reasonable :shrug:

It’s kind of ridiculous when people think it’s not possible for them to have close eyed dmt esque experiences on an orally active form of dmt and go around telling other people “nah not what mushrooms are you shouldn’t be expecting that”



if you've taken it as directed at you, that's on you. Regardless the hostility is still unnecessary.

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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: HerbalSteve]
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HerbalSteve said:
The lurker said:
HerbalSteve said:
What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....



If you think I’m being a cock for what I just typed scroll throughout the rest of the thread. What I typed was pretty reasonable :shrug:

It’s kind of ridiculous when people think it’s not possible for them to have close eyed dmt esque experiences on an orally active form of dmt and go around telling other people “nah not what mushrooms are you shouldn’t be expecting that”



if you've taken it as directed at you, that's on you. Regardless the hostility is still unnecessary.



Hmm.. you posted that right after my previous two responses not specifically talking about other responses  so yeah I guess it’s totally on me I’ve taken it as such :shrug: :bye:


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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: HerbalSteve]
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I'm pretty good at taking constructive criticism without my ego getting in the way and taking personal offence to it. Especially on a forum. I know that my problem is mostly due to not taking enough. I know if I were to hop into the 5g area things would be completely different.

I think everyone takes mushrooms for their own reason. Some people like being blasted off into hyperspace & others like a smaller recreational dose. I do not think either one is wrong or right. I know there is more magic behind the hidden line within this substance. But there is TONS of magic in a much more reasonable dose as well.

I have a much better understanding of self and my awareness and the appreciation for so much more after I've has my eyes opened to the experience. I'm not all front visuals. Just my thought process while under has taught me tons. I know a high dose is apple's and oranges compared to what I'm talking about. I'm just simply NOT ready to dive into that zone. I tread lightly with things like this.

One day, I will get there. But I do believe every dose has a purpose and has their own benefits in a sense. Once ypive learned the lessons being taught, you move onto the next.

I just came here in wondering about CEV's, was all. People seem to get this even at smaller doses than the ones I'm speaking of. Like I said, I'm going to try a 4g tea.. alone.. possibly tonight. See how that goes.. and try and process that and see how well that goes. If all goes well.. I'll add .5.. and slowly make my way up.

I appreciate all the responses and you've all have given insight.. there is enough arguing and bullshit in this every day world. This forum I use as a specific discussion thread. No bashing and degrading others members(not just even in this thread, but general forum use).

I again, appreciate all your responses and you all defending your opinions. I do enjoy a solid debate. As long as things aren't taken to heart:coolcat:


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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
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:cheers:

I want to say one thing I think is really important and isn’t looked at enough in this community. That mushrooms are an orally active form of dmt and we should be able to have intense dmt esque experiences on them, and if we’re not than were not using them to their fullest potential

I have no clue why people are so resistant to this.

It’s a very simple notion, it’s rational and uses science, nd it’s really not radical at all

I’m going to contribute something and write up a guide for the people having a hard time hallucinating, I’ll just go over what I do to ensure that my mind will be blown when I close me eyes and let the chemical effect my mind.


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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: The lurker]
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I've never tried DMT. But from what I've read over the course of a few years.. it most definitely has DMT potential at higher doses. I've read that mushrooms have more potential to be broken down and understood than DMT at higher doses. Not sure how much truth there is to that.. but I know DMT can be so much at once you can't grasp anything, and sometimes cannot take anything back with you.

I like to at least try to integrate little lessons and understandings of the higher conciousness. Slowly.. but surely. Think I'm doing a pretty good job at respecting them. And maybe from doing so, when i do dive in.. they may be extemely good to me. Or could be terrible lol. But regardless, I am prepping my brain for the plunge.. babysteps baby!!

Also, I do bodybuild. I know some of you may not be the same in that aspect.. but it's a different type of thing. I haven't been mediating much, but I do pretty intense workouts and prep myself for heavy lifts. I feel like this has helped me.so much get a mind body connection.. really focusing on myself and contractions and lifting the weight that's not easy to lift  by any means. But, it builds a MUCH stronger mindset. Telling yourself you can do it, and pushing your limits day to day.. builds an extremely strong mindset. And I do believe this helps with difficult moments of any type of nature. Even with tripping.

That's just my two cents on that.


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Edited by Vibe_Enthusiast (08/17/19 08:53 AM)

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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
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Vibe_Enthusiast said:
I've never tried DMT. But from what I've read over the course of a few years.. it most definitely has DMT potential at higher doses. I've read that mushrooms have more potential to be broken down and understood than DMT at higher doses. Not sure how much truth there is to that.. but I know DMT can be so much at once you can't grasp anything, and sometimes cannot take anything back with you.

I like to at least try to integrate little lessons and understandings of the higher conciousness. Slowly.. but surely. Think I'm doing a pretty good job at respecting them. And maybe from doing so, when i do dive in.. they may be extemely good to me. Or could be terrible lol. But regardless, I am prepping my brain for the plunge.. babysteps baby!!



No no this is what I mean its not that it has the potential it’s that psilocin is an orally active form of dmt

But exactly sometimes it’s hard to take it back with you, that’s where ayahuasca and mushrooms (I bet experiences are quite similar at higher doses) comes in so you can slow it down and get more out of it.

Psilocybin gets converted to psilocin in your gut (the chem that actually effects you)
psilocin=4-hydroxy-n,n, dimethyltryptamine

We all know you can’t eat pure dmt, so the 4hydroxy part of this molecule essentially allows the dmt to bypass the enzymes In your liver that would previously destroy the pure dmt

So the active molecule in psilocybin mushrooms IS an orally active form of dmt.


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Edited by The lurker (08/17/19 08:55 AM)

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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: Asura]
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Asura said:
I didn't even know you could trip that hard until I got into higher doses. "Visuals" is not the best
term. Visions maybe? And usually it doesn't even matter if my eyes are open or closed, because it's all
the same at that point. Like my mind is completely on the outside of my body or something...or I don't
even have a body anymore and it's just mind.




Yeah, regarding open/closed eyes - one time I reupped with maybe quite a bit too much PE :myfaceismelting: and over the next hour or so while lying immobile on the bed the visuals/visions were nonstop, eyes open or closed, didn't matter.


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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: PrimalSoup]
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That's a lot of PE.

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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
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Vibe_Enthusiast said:
PrimalSoup said:
OK, sounds good, but What are you expecting from CEVs? 

It's not like some sort of magical thing, and different people have varying visual wiring anyway...



Not so much expecting anything. It just seems that when I close my eyes.. I get sensations of being in my own world but it's no different than if I were to close my eyes while sober.. just "darkness". Idk. It's not a huge deal to me.. I was just wondering if there could have been an explanation as to why. And it's more than likely, that I need to up to the dose.



OK I'm going with that last then, report back what ya find out.  You want to see a "show" and the projector isn't turned on.


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Also, when you guys speak of the visuals on higher doses... how big is the dose were speaking? I know everyone is different.. but I've never taken more than 4g>Fresh cubes> Tea. (Fresh cubes always seem to perform such a more wild and vivid trip). Honestly thinking of growing a new batch just to make some fresh mushroom tea to store. All of mine are dry at the moment. But every time I tried a fresh picked batch of mushrooms... they were so much more superior than my dried ones.

Every. Single. Time.



Well, for me with fresh fruits (made into citric acid tea, always), a big dose depends on the potency of the strain, but runs from 35-55 g.  Whatever it is, it will make the walls bleed Mayan glyphs and other things, audio hallucinations, time distortion, etc.  I've seen myself in the mirror as a cartoon. :laugh2: 

But once the trip kicks in fully and transition to hyperspace there's such a lot more to do then just appreciate the visual effects.  I am definitely not in my ordinary sober world anymore. 

Be aware that the dosage goes exponentially and so 5 g is considerably more than 4 g is.  If you double the dose you get like four times the effect, up to where you black out anyway.  :shrug:  So I like to stay just on this side of the black out dose as otherwise I don't get to remember the trip... 

That's why I test for potency at lower levels to gauge the proper amount.  And one test for potency is when CEVs start to appear after about 15 minutes or so with tea, that's the first real sign.

:goodday:


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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: The lurker]
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The lurker said:
PrimalSoup said:
Whatever, it was a question for the OP. :shrug:



And? It sounded like a super false perception of mushrooms to me so I wanted to respond

sorry I responded to your comment on a fucking forum......:rofl:




You were responding to me? That's hilarious, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all.  I've tripped so hard many times I thought I was never coming back, and the entities and spirit contact! - don't talk to me about entities.  :laugh2:

But it's all cool.

When you make tea from fresh with acid extraction you get all the psilocin as well.  And it goes to work really fast, on an empty stomach it starts to hit in 10-15 minutes max.  So visuals are one of the first things, but then it builds from there as the psilocybin starts to process into the bloodstream.  But at that point you're already into the trip so there's none of the anxiety thing that a lot of people get. 


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Edited by PrimalSoup (08/17/19 06:30 PM)

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Re: OEV/CEV [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I thoroughly enjoy getting blasted on dimethyltryptamine. :rocketcrotch:

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