YeagerrBomb said:

Take 5g dried. Lay in a dark, quiet room. Close your eyes and look at the back of your eyelids with the expectation that you will see something. These are words from the King himself, Terrence Mckenna. This scenario typically induces a very profound, out of body even trip experience. CEV you will see indeed my fellow traveler.

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grati said:

I get crazy OEV/CEVs every time I trip Try candy flipping and hippie flipping at least once and after that you'll get visuals much easier. Nowadays every trip is super intense with entity contact

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heatlessbbq said:

All psychedelic experiences / effects are not achieved when not focused.

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The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:

The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Thanks for your reply man. That actually does help a lot. I just want to be able to experince something similar to you. Starting off with the lighter doses & whatever. My "low dose" is usually an 8th. Which is technically a threshold dose but it seems to do me quite well other than not getting CEV's lol.

You're the second one to say that it took a higher dose in order for you to become more sensitive to the matter. I'm just hoping I can achieve this without having to really set myself into an abyss.

Its not that I'm scared.. I just don't have the balls yet in a sense. I just like these aren't something to mess around with. I take them very cautiously & am a little nervous each time regardless of how many times I've done them.

I think I'm going to try 4.2 next time(lol). But this time I will be by myself and not with someone. I do feel like that will play a big factor. Because even though I was tripping sack.. I knew someone was lying there right next to me and my energy was dripping into the thought of that as well.

I appreciate the response.  I will incorporate what you've said into my next session when I get a good weekend to do so!

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No problem I’m glad!! I can completely relate about being a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge, have you experienced what you refer to as the abyss before? Or better yet have you tried pure dmt? Mushrooms for me are literally a stretched out less intense dmt trip.

I had a really traumatic experience the first time I smoked dmt (60mg) I was really young, clueless and inexperienced as well as entirely lacking respect for the substance, i accidentally kept my eyes open and tried to hold on for dear life. It’s made me create this block of taking higher doses, I have this intense fear that was never there before. It’s taken me so long to get past it and I’m still not over it, it still effects me. So I think it’s really awesome your respect for these higher dose experiences, I think if you wanted to see what it’s about, you’d have no problem with it, if you respect the mushies the mushies will respect you period.

This is my favorite quote ever and it’s pretty relevant for this- “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.” T McKenna

“By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed”

Being alone will definitely make things easier, you’ll be able to concentrate on the actual experience way more, that’s what the whole silent darkness (alone) thing is about.

If it does happen even on 4.2g be ready for the absolute depth of the closed eyed experience. I mean it’s you can’t talk about it at that point dosage isn’t gonna matter and you’re basically plunging into the awe inspiring abyss

Please report back!! Very interested to see what happens.

The lurker said:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Thanks for your reply man. That actually does help a lot. I just want to be able to experince something similar to you. Starting off with the lighter doses & whatever. My "low dose" is usually an 8th. Which is technically a threshold dose but it seems to do me quite well other than not getting CEV's lol.

You're the second one to say that it took a higher dose in order for you to become more sensitive to the matter. I'm just hoping I can achieve this without having to really set myself into an abyss.

Its not that I'm scared.. I just don't have the balls yet in a sense. I just like these aren't something to mess around with. I take them very cautiously & am a little nervous each time regardless of how many times I've done them.

I think I'm going to try 4.2 next time(lol). But this time I will be by myself and not with someone. I do feel like that will play a big factor. Because even though I was tripping sack.. I knew someone was lying there right next to me and my energy was dripping into the thought of that as well.

I appreciate the response.  I will incorporate what you've said into my next session when I get a good weekend to do so!

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No problem I’m glad!! I can completely relate about being a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge, have you experienced what you refer to as the abyss before? Or better yet have you tried pure dmt? Mushrooms for me are literally a stretched out less intense dmt trip.

I had a really traumatic experience the first time I smoked dmt (60mg) I was really young, clueless and inexperienced as well as entirely lacking respect for the substance, i accidentally kept my eyes open and tried to hold on for dear life. It’s made me create this block of taking higher doses, I have this intense fear that was never there before. It’s taken me so long to get past it and I’m still not over it, it still effects me. So I think it’s really awesome your respect for these higher dose experiences, I think if you wanted to see what it’s about, you’d have no problem with it, if you respect the mushies the mushies will respect you period.

This is my favorite quote ever and it’s pretty relevant for this- “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.” T McKenna

“By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed”

Being alone will definitely make things easier, you’ll be able to concentrate on the actual experience way more, that’s what the whole silent darkness (alone) thing is about.

If it does happen even on 4.2g be ready for the absolute depth of the closed eyed experience. I mean it’s you can’t talk about it at that point dosage isn’t gonna matter and you’re basically plunging into the awe inspiring abyss

Please report back!! Very interested to see what happens.

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Yeah man. I've always had a respect for these things from the get go. More so because I did a lot of research AFTER my first dose ever. It was a gorgeous day out and my buddy broke out the bag of mushy. He has a backyard with an in ground pool.

So the vibe was all right. Ate them.. and it was the perfect amount to eat for the first time. Waa probably about 3 grams or so.

After that, I started researching and reading reports. I knew that I shouldn't be playing with fire when it comes to the higher doses. So honestly, an 8th/4g has been my 'comfort' zones with the experience. Which is great for me at the moment. But I know I'm starting to get to the point where I need more.

I know there is a lot more to be offered than where I'm at now. But I know when the time will be right and I will be sure to make sure everything is in place prior to me taking that plunge. Those experiences that you've had when you fucked around with DMT haunt you I bet. I just do not want to have the same thing happen to me with mushrooms.

Don't want to be scared to trip again

And I've also never experienced the 'abyss'. But I know there were a few times where I was playing in the front yard of it. Probably another gram would have sent me there. And it wasn't so much a abyss. It was more so.. being completely at peace with everything. I felt like I was floating in space... but it wasn't my body. It wasn't the visuals.. it was like I was the music waves flowing through the universe. I had no connection between my body until I would open my eyes and remind myself I do have a body (I should have never done that, as I'm sure I could have gotten pretty far). But it does feel very very strange to be so disconnected from your body and it was so blissful/freaky at the same time lol.

I appreciate your replies and you sharing your experiences. You've opened up my mind to trying things just a tad differently. Hopefully I can get what I'm after.

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

I know they're something one doesn't have to look for. I get OEV's along the whole trip without putting little to any thought of it. I've just tried several times to get CEV's and I fail to get anything out of it.

And it's not like I'm "forcing" it. Simply close my eyes and try and let things take its course. Like I said, even with my ex.. she was saying she couldn't get rid of the visuals with her eyes closed or open. Then you have me, trying to figure out why I can't seem to get them lol.

Oh well. I will give it another try. Actually looking forward to this next trip, because I'm planning it alone. Hopefully I'm able to get past this little barrier.

Soon enough, I will take the plunge. Just working my way up there.

The lurker said:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

The lurker said:

Super interesting, the extent of my oev’s with mushrooms Is intense morphing, it’s not until I close my eyes the show really starts

But I mean for me on low doses less than a gram I can close my eyes and meet “entities” there’s a certain dosage around there where I meet the same beings every single time. It’s all of these tan/humanoid faces, and only faces not their body, there’s about 20-30 of them every time and they’re all floating around where I’m looking with my eyes closed. They communicate with me telepathically/visually, and when I take higher dosages, they change form into a more unfiltered form of contact/communication. This is all very vivid.

To get deep with eyes closed, what I do is close them, and focus on every little subtlety that comes into my vision, watch it all stabilize without getting too excited or nervous,  just REALLY trying to observe. It continues to open as I watch it, and it eventually gets to the point where I can’t close it off until the trip is over (but it’ll let me go pee)

I cannot do this if I’m not in silent darkness.

My advice is too close your eyes and meditate and just keep them closed. Don’t even try to look at visuals first, just close them, focus on your breath, and let go, let “it” fill your vision I think it eventually will.

Edit: read a couple of your replies up there, I was not always able to do this. It wasn’t until I took higher dosages, had intense close eyed experience, and came back more sensitive to the substances and knowing more what too expect.

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Thanks for your reply man. That actually does help a lot. I just want to be able to experince something similar to you. Starting off with the lighter doses & whatever. My "low dose" is usually an 8th. Which is technically a threshold dose but it seems to do me quite well other than not getting CEV's lol.

You're the second one to say that it took a higher dose in order for you to become more sensitive to the matter. I'm just hoping I can achieve this without having to really set myself into an abyss.

Its not that I'm scared.. I just don't have the balls yet in a sense. I just like these aren't something to mess around with. I take them very cautiously & am a little nervous each time regardless of how many times I've done them.

I think I'm going to try 4.2 next time(lol). But this time I will be by myself and not with someone. I do feel like that will play a big factor. Because even though I was tripping sack.. I knew someone was lying there right next to me and my energy was dripping into the thought of that as well.

I appreciate the response.  I will incorporate what you've said into my next session when I get a good weekend to do so!

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No problem I’m glad!! I can completely relate about being a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge, have you experienced what you refer to as the abyss before? Or better yet have you tried pure dmt? Mushrooms for me are literally a stretched out less intense dmt trip.

I had a really traumatic experience the first time I smoked dmt (60mg) I was really young, clueless and inexperienced as well as entirely lacking respect for the substance, i accidentally kept my eyes open and tried to hold on for dear life. It’s made me create this block of taking higher doses, I have this intense fear that was never there before. It’s taken me so long to get past it and I’m still not over it, it still effects me. So I think it’s really awesome your respect for these higher dose experiences, I think if you wanted to see what it’s about, you’d have no problem with it, if you respect the mushies the mushies will respect you period.

This is my favorite quote ever and it’s pretty relevant for this- “Nature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.” T McKenna

“By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it’s a feather bed”

Being alone will definitely make things easier, you’ll be able to concentrate on the actual experience way more, that’s what the whole silent darkness (alone) thing is about.

If it does happen even on 4.2g be ready for the absolute depth of the closed eyed experience. I mean it’s you can’t talk about it at that point dosage isn’t gonna matter and you’re basically plunging into the awe inspiring abyss

Please report back!! Very interested to see what happens.

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Yeah man. I've always had a respect for these things from the get go. More so because I did a lot of research AFTER my first dose ever. It was a gorgeous day out and my buddy broke out the bag of mushy. He has a backyard with an in ground pool.

So the vibe was all right. Ate them.. and it was the perfect amount to eat for the first time. Waa probably about 3 grams or so.

After that, I started researching and reading reports. I knew that I shouldn't be playing with fire when it comes to the higher doses. So honestly, an 8th/4g has been my 'comfort' zones with the experience. Which is great for me at the moment. But I know I'm starting to get to the point where I need more.

I know there is a lot more to be offered than where I'm at now. But I know when the time will be right and I will be sure to make sure everything is in place prior to me taking that plunge. Those experiences that you've had when you fucked around with DMT haunt you I bet. I just do not want to have the same thing happen to me with mushrooms.

Don't want to be scared to trip again

And I've also never experienced the 'abyss'. But I know there were a few times where I was playing in the front yard of it. Probably another gram would have sent me there. And it wasn't so much a abyss. It was more so.. being completely at peace with everything. I felt like I was floating in space... but it wasn't my body. It wasn't the visuals.. it was like I was the music waves flowing through the universe. I had no connection between my body until I would open my eyes and remind myself I do have a body (I should have never done that, as I'm sure I could have gotten pretty far). But it does feel very very strange to be so disconnected from your body and it was so blissful/freaky at the same time lol.

I appreciate your replies and you sharing your experiences. You've opened up my mind to trying things just a tad differently. Hopefully I can get what I'm after.

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Totally understandable man! Nothing wrong with slowly working your way up, or staying at the same dose to get as much as you can out of it. I only wish I was as cautious/conscious of possible outcomes in my earlier days! You’re doin things right

A lot of people say “you can’t be ready” but I call bullshit. You’ll know when you’re ready enough to let go to/embrace the intense experiences. Can’t say I’m there yet, and yup that experience definitely haunts me. I have some dmt I’ve had for over a year now and I still can’t get myself to go fully back in. It’s been probably a solid 2 or 3 years since that first dmt experience. The vividness of the minuscule amount I remembered has mostly faded, but the trauma is still there.

When I say it felt like I died, I mean when I was inhaling the 3rd hit it felt like I literally got shot in the head with some supermassive intensely bright hyperdimensional cannon. I really thought this was it yet I didn’t have enough time to even get that thought across, it’s like the biggest feeling of shock and awe and downright terror you could possibly imagine, there was nothing to hold on to no matter how hard I tried. Simply was not ready

That sounds like a really beautiful yet intense experience, and that’s an awesome way of describing it. It’s definitely freaky, dmt/mushies have the ability to give you distinct feelings of where “you” are outside of your body and it’s reallyyyy weird lol.

Happy to share man I’m glad! Good luck to you fellow traveler

PrimalSoup said:

The visuals are a small part of the trip anyway. 

OP what's your general experience like in terms of mind-fuck, body-load, sensory rewiring, time/space distortion, loops, delusions, etc? 

'Cause I use the onset of OEVs to judge the sufficiency of the dose, but after enjoying visuals it's really on to other more interesting stuff. 

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LosTresOjos said:

Yeah high dose. At least 5g of cubes. At least. You need a sufficient saturation to induce the visionary aspect of the mushrooms. Please be aware the you will not be able to decern real from hallucination. It's all interconnected. Just enjoy the alien wordls and keep cool. All is ok.

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nooneman said:

Yeah, the visuals are awesome, but the internal mental stuff that happens is often far more impressive and important.

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LosTresOjos said:

Visuals? I have visions. Landscapes. Unfolding deserts. Center of the universe. The places you go to are amazing. The deep thoughts are always there, even while sober. The emotional part is only half the trip.

  When you go on vacation do you solely go around only experiencing the emotions? Dont you want to see the Grand canyon? Or do you just want to feel the vibes while you meditate?  You guys down play a huge part of the experience.

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LosTresOjos said:

I never said I did but if you only spend time on the shallow end you'll miss out on this hobby. Don't be luke warm. You will get spit out.

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You’re hilarious. By “visuals” I mean entities, realms of experience, “unfolding deserts, landscapes, center of the universe” sounds kinda weak for such a high dosage mushrooms are literally a slowed down dmt for me, on that high of a dosage I’m fully communicating/interacting with “hyperdimensional entities” that communicate through vision/essential telepathy and blow my mind wide open with the things they show me about reality/myself/consciousness

For a brief example, on around .6-1.5 g (varies in intensity and depth doeneding on dosage in this range) I get a recurring theme I’ve gotten since the very first times I’ve taken mushrooms, it’s all of these tan humanoid faces that fill my vision one by one and stare directly at me, only faces no bodies. Just by “meditating” and staring at these faces, I receive various insights about various aspects of self, reality etc.

As the dosage increases I meet the face entities (just a temporary form) on a deeper level, and get more of an understanding for what they actually are, but it’s all the same thing.

I was and am telling you I, and a lot of other people I know don’t need anywhere near 5 grams for that. Simple as that, no need for the dick measuring contest

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

A lot of people get very vivid CEV's on much less. I just wish I could stay in my "comfort zone", yet still experience the beauty within. One day I'll eat the 5g. But I'm slowly pacing myself.

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walls melting, extremely intense open eye visuals

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The walls, if such they be, are crawling with geometric hallucinations

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PrimalSoup said:

OK, sounds good, but What are you expecting from CEVs? 

It's not like some sort of magical thing, and different people have varying visual wiring anyway...

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PrimalSoup said:

OK, sounds good, but What are you expecting from CEVs? 

It's not like some sort of magical thing, and different people have varying visual wiring anyway...

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heatlessbbq said:

But the OEVS on high doses of mushrooms are fucking unreal.

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PrimalSoup said:

heatlessbbq said:

But the OEVS on high doses of mushrooms are fucking unreal.

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PrimalSoup said:

OK, sounds good, but What are you expecting from CEVs? 

It's not like some sort of magical thing, and different people have varying visual wiring anyway...

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PrimalSoup said:

heatlessbbq said:

But the OEVS on high doses of mushrooms are fucking unreal.

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I've experienced walls breathing up to hills springing from nowhere and moving around. I seem to get CEV every time, however they are usually just flashes of colour hurtling towards you and I always flinch/try to dodge them like it's actually going to clap me!

PrimalSoup said:

Whatever, it was a question for the OP.

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And? It sounded like a super false perception of mushrooms to me so I wanted to respond

sorry I responded to your comment on a fucking forum......

HerbalSteve said:

What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....

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If you think I’m being a cock for what I just typed scroll throughout the rest of the thread. What I typed was pretty reasonable

It’s kind of ridiculous when people think it’s not possible for them to have close eyed dmt esque experiences on an orally active form of dmt and go around telling other people “nah not what mushrooms are you shouldn’t be expecting that”

The lurker said:

HerbalSteve said:

What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....

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If you think I’m being a cock for what I just typed scroll throughout the rest of the thread. What I typed was pretty reasonable

It’s kind of ridiculous when people think it’s not possible for them to have close eyed dmt esque experiences on an orally active form of dmt and go around telling other people “nah not what mushrooms are you shouldn’t be expecting that”

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HerbalSteve said:

The lurker said:

HerbalSteve said:

What is it with people behind a keyboard that makes them think it's fine to be a cock? There is literally zero need for half the vitriol that flies round here. Who'd have thought a community revolving around these powerful tools of betterment would take any opportunity to slam their fellow man....

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If you think I’m being a cock for what I just typed scroll throughout the rest of the thread. What I typed was pretty reasonable

It’s kind of ridiculous when people think it’s not possible for them to have close eyed dmt esque experiences on an orally active form of dmt and go around telling other people “nah not what mushrooms are you shouldn’t be expecting that”

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if you've taken it as directed at you, that's on you. Regardless the hostility is still unnecessary.

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Hmm.. you posted that right after my previous two responses not specifically talking about other responses  so yeah I guess it’s totally on me I’ve taken it as such

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

I've never tried DMT. But from what I've read over the course of a few years.. it most definitely has DMT potential at higher doses. I've read that mushrooms have more potential to be broken down and understood than DMT at higher doses. Not sure how much truth there is to that.. but I know DMT can be so much at once you can't grasp anything, and sometimes cannot take anything back with you.

I like to at least try to integrate little lessons and understandings of the higher conciousness. Slowly.. but surely. Think I'm doing a pretty good job at respecting them. And maybe from doing so, when i do dive in.. they may be extemely good to me. Or could be terrible lol. But regardless, I am prepping my brain for the plunge.. babysteps baby!!

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Asura said:

I didn't even know you could trip that hard until I got into higher doses. "Visuals" is not the best
term. Visions maybe? And usually it doesn't even matter if my eyes are open or closed, because it's all
the same at that point. Like my mind is completely on the outside of my body or something...or I don't
even have a body anymore and it's just mind.

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Yeah, regarding open/closed eyes - one time I reupped with maybe quite a bit too much PE and over the next hour or so while lying immobile on the bed the visuals/visions were nonstop, eyes open or closed, didn't matter.

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

PrimalSoup said:

OK, sounds good, but What are you expecting from CEVs? 

It's not like some sort of magical thing, and different people have varying visual wiring anyway...

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Not so much expecting anything. It just seems that when I close my eyes.. I get sensations of being in my own world but it's no different than if I were to close my eyes while sober.. just "darkness". Idk. It's not a huge deal to me.. I was just wondering if there could have been an explanation as to why. And it's more than likely, that I need to up to the dose.

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OK I'm going with that last then, report back what ya find out.  You want to see a "show" and the projector isn't turned on.

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Also, when you guys speak of the visuals on higher doses... how big is the dose were speaking? I know everyone is different.. but I've never taken more than 4g>Fresh cubes> Tea. (Fresh cubes always seem to perform such a more wild and vivid trip). Honestly thinking of growing a new batch just to make some fresh mushroom tea to store. All of mine are dry at the moment. But every time I tried a fresh picked batch of mushrooms... they were so much more superior than my dried ones.

Every. Single. Time.

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Well, for me with fresh fruits (made into citric acid tea, always), a big dose depends on the potency of the strain, but runs from 35-55 g.  Whatever it is, it will make the walls bleed Mayan glyphs and other things, audio hallucinations, time distortion, etc.  I've seen myself in the mirror as a cartoon.  

But once the trip kicks in fully and transition to hyperspace there's such a lot more to do then just appreciate the visual effects.  I am definitely not in my ordinary sober world anymore. 

Be aware that the dosage goes exponentially and so 5 g is considerably more than 4 g is.  If you double the dose you get like four times the effect, up to where you black out anyway.    So I like to stay just on this side of the black out dose as otherwise I don't get to remember the trip... 

That's why I test for potency at lower levels to gauge the proper amount.  And one test for potency is when CEVs start to appear after about 15 minutes or so with tea, that's the first real sign.

The lurker said:

PrimalSoup said:

Whatever, it was a question for the OP.

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And? It sounded like a super false perception of mushrooms to me so I wanted to respond

sorry I responded to your comment on a fucking forum......

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You were responding to me? That's hilarious, I wasn't disagreeing with you at all.  I've tripped so hard many times I thought I was never coming back, and the entities and spirit contact! - don't talk to me about entities. 

But it's all cool.

When you make tea from fresh with acid extraction you get all the psilocin as well.  And it goes to work really fast, on an empty stomach it starts to hit in 10-15 minutes max.  So visuals are one of the first things, but then it builds from there as the psilocybin starts to process into the bloodstream.  But at that point you're already into the trip so there's none of the anxiety thing that a lot of people get.