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Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free
    #7032413 - 06/11/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

My mom -- mentally healthy and substance free other than caffeine -- has told me that when she closes her eyes, she sees "all sorts of incredible patterns, shapes and objects" that are constantly transforming in miraculous ways. I have never had "visuals" but this sounds a lot like closed-eye visuals to me. She gets this whenever she closes her eyes. Normally (if I heard this third-hand from someone I didn't know, for example) I would not believe such a claim but she is being serious and has always been honest about such things with me.

Has anyone else heard of such a thing?


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7032436 - 06/11/07 02:23 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I have CEV's at night when I'm tired. So yes I'd assume its possible.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: wireless]
    #7032445 - 06/11/07 02:28 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Overactive pineal gland?  :tongue:


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7032462 - 06/11/07 02:39 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

possibly results hypnogogic state or she could just be experiencing the weird static/noise balls of light that form geometric shapes that you get when closing yours and rubbing them. Those usually are the starting point of cevs in the hypnogogic state.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7032509 - 06/11/07 03:35 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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possibly results hypnogogic state or she could just be experiencing the weird static/noise balls of light that form geometric shapes that you get when closing yours and rubbing them. Those usually are the starting point of cevs in the hypnogogic state.




She gets extremely elaborate and complex objects like vases with intricate detailling -- it's more than just geometric shapes.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7032570 - 06/11/07 06:01 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'd say Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder but you say she's never tried anything.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7032585 - 06/11/07 06:20 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: Revelation]
    #7032840 - 06/11/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like when im trying to go to sleep still comming down on lsd

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7034909 - 06/11/07 07:32 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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possibly results hypnogogic state or she could just be experiencing the weird static/noise balls of light that form geometric shapes that you get when closing yours and rubbing them. Those usually are the starting point of cevs in the hypnogogic state.




She gets extremely elaborate and complex objects like vases with intricate detailling -- it's more than just geometric shapes.




sounds more like a hypnogogic state then. Usually you only getting before sleep.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7035090 - 06/11/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Phosphenes or noise in the optic system?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene

The visual delivered by your eyes is imperfect and full of anomalies. Your visual cortex is constantly ironing these out. For example, one anomaly is caused by your optic nerve blocking a region of input.

When your eyes are closed, your visual system has limited information and your brain tries to derive something meaningful from that information. Your mom's brain is associating these limited inputs with complex objects. Has your mother ever thought of trying art? It sounds like she has a very active visual brain.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: nookjohn]
    #7035119 - 06/11/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Or perhaps a slight form of autism? Or Synthenasia (sp).

I recall reading about one guy who would see mathematical forms as landscapes in his minds-eye, and could complete complex mathematical problems by rearranging what he saw.

My mother has had 'ego loss' before 100% sober, and has also had rather detailed visions while sober (very intense dream, then she woke up - but was still seeing everything OEV, and was able to explain the experience to my father who she woke up to explain what was going on), and she has also described to me entering states that could easily be defined as ego-loss (no sense of self, just pure energy - part of everything, connectedness, etc), and she has never done a psychedelic in her life (when she told me this story, I wanted to share my similar experiences, however - she is VERY anti-drugs, and would have my head if she knew what I've done)

I've personally have had OEV's while 100% drug-free before and LONG before I did drugs (mind you, most of them were either due to extreme distress upon the body, like fevers of 103+, or strange waking-sleep states where I am awake, lucid, but still getting detailed visuals and a bit dreamlike)

The human mind is an amazing thing, and it is possible to get oevs/cevs and enter 'psychedelic' states without the need for drugs at all. There could be a number of reasons for her having what she has, and would see no reason to not believe her.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: kaniz]
    #7035253 - 06/11/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Your mom is lucky! I wish that I could see CEVs while awake and sober. I sometimes see patterns when I'm about to go to sleep, but I'm usually too tired to pay attention to them.

I wonder what your mom would see on cannabis. Would her CEVs become more intense, or would she not notice any difference? Please let us know when you have a session with her. haha.

nookjohn: "Your visual cortex is constantly ironing these out." I'll have to remember this accessible metaphor. Do you work in vision or ophthalmology?

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: nookjohn]
    #7035424 - 06/11/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Has your mother ever thought of trying art? It sounds like she has a very active visual brain.




Hey,

Thanks for the response. In fact my mother comes from a very artistic family. She hasn't actively pursued it herself but loves all forms of design (architecture, furniture, clothing) and is a very talented amateur interior designer.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: chairmanK]
    #7035432 - 06/11/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Your mom is lucky!





Indeed.  Whenever this topic comes up, she will say "I always feel so sorry for people who have to take drugs to see these kinds of things!"

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I wonder what your mom would see on cannabis. Would her CEVs become more intense, or would she not notice any difference? Please let us know when you have a session with her. haha.





LOL.  That, my friend, would be fucking weird as hell.  :grin:


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7035455 - 06/11/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like the 4th dimension.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: kaniz]
    #7035459 - 06/11/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I recall reading about one guy who would see mathematical forms as landscapes in his minds-eye, and could complete complex mathematical problems by rearranging what he saw.






Take a look at this awesome documentary about him. At first I thought it was going to be another lame "this kid is a super fast calculator!" story, but the fascincating part is exactly as you described -- he would (or, does) arrive at the correct answers after seeing the mental images of blob-like shapes and those shapes' interactions with each other.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: leery11]
    #7035501 - 06/11/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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sounds like the 4th dimension.




where i come from the 4th dimension is considered the 1st :voila:


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: kaniz]
    #7035622 - 06/11/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

The theory is that the human eyes have developed a filter through evolution, and that the colors/visuals that people see when they are tripping are always there, but we have just adapted to block those things out. Sounds like your mom is just a sort of natural phenomenon, being unable to filter the colors/shapes.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: jenns_hot]
    #7035759 - 06/11/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I get visuals before sleep all the time.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7036385 - 06/12/07 01:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Try sitting in your room for a few hours with no sounds music etc

Cut off as much of your usual sensory perceptions as you can.

After a while you start to get CEV, the longer you do it, the more intense it gets.

This is your existing predetermined version of reality breaking down. We are programmed to expect to not see CEV's OEV's. The same as we are programmed so that your brain automatically fills in the blind spot for your eye! Nobody can see there blind spot unless they do that test that proves its there!

I suggest that your mom has simply noticed what most people are programmed not too.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: Ego Death]
    #7038083 - 06/12/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I have HPPD and i see that shit constantly. i get alot of green clock hands spinning and leaving trails. ihave seena purple goldfish cracker, mario running, a sheep on wheels, DNA strands. Music helps them kick in. I have also seen check boards. and listen kid, your mom grew up int he 70's shes done more drugs than you will ever see man.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: primex]
    #7038100 - 06/12/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

and belive it or not, i can see things with my eyes closed. poeple walking, a hand in front of my face. i tested it with my friends.... he held up fingers in front of my face with my eyes completely closed and i got it right everytime. he was amazed but still does nto belive i have HPPD

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: primex]
    #7038102 - 06/12/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

like uhh "how many ifingers am i holding up? " ya know

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: primex]
    #7038112 - 06/12/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I have had CEV's forever, since before I started using drugs... I thought nothing of it. I don't really see any material objects, just brightly colored patterns and waves.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: lsg1]
    #7038475 - 06/12/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I recall reading about one guy who would see mathematical forms as landscapes in his minds-eye, and could complete complex mathematical problems by rearranging what he saw.






Take a look at this awesome documentary about him. At first I thought it was going to be another lame "this kid is a super fast calculator!" story, but the fascincating part is exactly as you described -- he would (or, does) arrive at the correct answers after seeing the mental images of blob-like shapes and those shapes' interactions with each other.




Thanks for the link, I'll give that a watch later - I remember being pretty interested by the articles I had read, didnt know a documentary was made about it.

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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: in_sherman]
    #7039531 - 06/12/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I have had CEV's forever, since before I started using drugs... I thought nothing of it. I don't really see any material objects, just brightly colored patterns and waves.




same here maybe it is just something you are born with like you know some people that have a "high" personality people thought i was smoking pot a lot before i ever smoked i didn't talk about it a lot or said i do but because of my character i think some people can get their minds in certain "modes" (i can't think of a better word right now) then other people it's almost like some people are good at math some people are good at sports and some people are good at getting high (not that people can only be good at one thing you know what i mean)

you say your mom had a drug free life but did she ever feel attracted to any drugs? does she have a character like a stereotypically drug user?





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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: dr.gonzo]
    #7039704 - 06/12/07 09:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I am a visionary artist and I have visions of art plenty of times. Not constantly but mostly when I am focusing on my art and sometimes I feel like I see things with eyes closed that are more real then the things I have seen in reality. I think this is because I just have a very visual mind, my dreams are more visual then most people(So I have been told). I think this just means I have a good imagination. I never see patterns or crazy trippy shapes more of just landscapes and things of the sort. I don't think my brain has some kind of natural psychedelic thing going on or anything. I also feel like hallucinating is just our brain confusing imagination with reality. I bet your mom would be good at art, but I don't think that this is a rare thing. Like some have said they see cev when there tired, kinda goes with my theory. I bet musicians hear music all the time witch helps them with expressing them self musically.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: clemens]
    #7039761 - 06/12/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

What id like to know is how did this conversation even come about?

-Hey son, im seeing patterns
-MOM we can TRIP together!!!
-Trip?
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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: TMshroom]
    #7045036 - 06/14/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Before I started doing drugs, and afterwards as well, I've entered states of trance where I'll simply sit (like say in a car on a long ride in the back), and visualize with extreme lucidity. I've also had moments akin to drug-induced joyous euphoria, complete with rising energy sensations up the neck and spine. On another note, I've consistently been struck with the distinct impression while tripping that I was almost reliving the sensation of my childhood. It wasn't so much that anything in particular stood out, more of just perceptual deja-vu. I personally think that most drug users vastly underestimate the potential of the human brain as a way of inducing perception change, perhaps because we've become accustomed to experiencing it on demand with the help of a bag of fungus or a square of blotter. However I should note that I'm pretty damn sure based on my longstanding insomnia, superskinny physique and the likeness of many of these spontaneous experiences to my travails with MDMA and amphetamines that my body is wierd in some way and gives me lots of seratonin sometimes (I'm thinking hypomania or something)...but I don't complain about being able write til the wee hours of the night feeling as if I would never achieve such clarity again or seeing glimpses of psychedelic beauty while just walking around doing nothing in particular; It almost feels better when a rush of euphoria just shoots up your spine out of nowhere than to have it come while you're thinking 'I took a pill a little while ago, I do believe it's starting', though the duration can sometimes be fleeting.

I wonder if something similar is the case with your mother. Endogenous DMT is produced in the human brain and other organs.

from the overview of DMT: The Spirit Molecule, by Dr. Rick Strassman:

"I was drawn to DMT because of its presence in all of our bodies. Perhaps excessive DMT production, coming from the mysterious pineal gland, was involved in naturally occurring "psychedelic" states. These might include birth, death and near-death, psychosis, and mystical experiences."

I'm pretty sure the majority of what strassman infers from the data is pretty speculative, so take that with a grain of salt.


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Re: Mom has had CEVs all her life -- drug free [Re: DigitalUnicorn]
    #7045299 - 06/14/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i think stuff like this roots from childhood. i remember when i was a kid i would get sensations all the time as if i were trippin. i also remember as a child, i would see every single dust particle in the air... as you grow your mind filters out ''unimportant'' information like this... it all depends on how its integrated in your life.


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