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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: koods] * 3
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1.5 million people coming into california over the course of a year is a lot. thats gonna effect the housing market. its been happening for decades and now its getting to the point that homelessness is rising 16% when we spent 600 million on ending it last year.

the government should work for the benefit of citizen families. and the main thing families need right now is higher wages and to stop immigration so house prices can go down.

i dont have an israeli citizenship. i cant leave this country after you ruin it with unlimited immigration.

you wont concede anything will you? i proved that non citzens and illegal immigrants consume far more resources via welfare from my and your tax money yet you dont care..... its some weird xenophilic altruistic fantasy world you live in where americans should be treated badly and Guatemalans should have the red carpet rolled out for them.

a lot of states have serious problems to address and instead of doing that the democratic machine has brainwashed you into believing you are doing a humanitarian action by allowing them to raise housing prices, food costs, traffic  all while giving illegals and non citizens free healthcare that normal citizens cant even afford.

how out of touch are you dude?:shrug::lmafo:


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: split_by_nine]
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If you read back through the thread. You’ll see I posted a link to a pdf that had them alllisted.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: JHOVA]
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1.5 million people coming into california over the course of a year is a lot. thats gonna effect the housing market.



But you guys love to claim that people are leaving California in droves.  Which is it?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-population-growth-20190501-story.html%3foutputType=amp

I’ve never seen someone try to argue that a hot housing market is a sign of the apocalypse. You know what’s worse than median home prices being $500k? Being 500K then $100.

California has housing issues because it is a popular place to be. It also cannot support unlimited growth. Geography, environment and resources are much more important in California than most other places.



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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (06/12/19 12:51 AM)

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: koods]
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about 1/4 of income tax is going towards welfare. and even if 60% of welfare recipients are "illegal", thats still not very much $ out of your pay check. furthermore, thats money for food and medicine. really devastating stuff, not.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: JHOVA] * 1
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JHOVA said:
from center for immigration studies
Quote:
Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally. Non-citizens also include long-term temporary visitors (e.g. guestworkers and foreign students) and permanent residents who have not naturalized (green card holders). Despite the fact that there are barriers designed to prevent welfare use for all of these non-citizen populations, the data shows that, overall, non-citizen households access the welfare system at high rates, often receiving benefits on behalf of U.S.-born children.

Among the findings:

In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.





this is mumbo-jumbo that says american children born to undocumented parents collect welfare, and twists that from "on behalf of U.S.-born children" to " households headed by a non-citizen" and finally to "non-citizen households" in an attempt to obscure the fact the the welfare  benefits described are being allocated to U.S. citizens.

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
MagicMush123 said:
koods said:
JHOVA said:
in ca they are handing out drivers licenses, free healthcare to "low income" (illegals aka work under the table) to 19-25 year olds. its gonna cost at least 100 million/year for an estimated 90,000 haha that number is VERRRRRRY low. there are millions in ca alone in that demographic age range. the US is expecting 1.5 million people to come across the border at the current rates.

63% of long term illegal aliens are on at least one form of welfare



California’s new $213 billion budget has a surplus of $21 billion. They can afford $100 million for health insurance.



And that money should be used on American citizens. Why do you feel that non citizens should get voting rights, welfare  and healthcare while real Americans are struggling? Mentalities like yours make me sick. 1 in 10 American's live in poverty, 1 in 6 children go to hungry,  but why does any of that matter when they're are illegals to take of?



I don’t give a fuck their citizenship.

Even jhova’s biased report says this:

Quote:
Welfare receipt by working households is very common. Of non-citizen households receiving welfare, 93 percent have at least one worker, as do 76 percent of native households receiving welfare. In fact, non-citizen households are more likely overall to have a worker than are native households.



93% of non-citizen households are working vs 76% for natives. 1/4 of welfare for natives goes
To people who aren’t working at all. Only 1/14 of non-citizens on welfare do not work.

If we had a decent minimum wage in this country, a lot of these workers wouldn’t need government assistance at all.



So whats your point? How does any of that justify giving scarce resources away to foreigners rather than your own citizens? Unless you secretly hate Americans or something that doesn't make any sense. Why would you prioritize foreigners over your own countrymen?

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: MagicMush123] * 3
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no one is prioritising foreigners. nobody said give them more or before citizens. we are saying everyone deserves assistance if they need it. your tax money is helping people, documented or not.

its like arguing that i shouldnt pay school taxes because i dont have children.

im happy to help children, seniors, citizens, "illegals", vets, homeless, etc.  with my taxes.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
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Center for immigration studies lolz.

Just one problem (of many) with that 63% number is: a household headed by a non-citizen, in which the ONLY benefit being used by that household is school lunch food assistance accessed by the US CITIZEN CHILD who resides in that house, is counted in their bullshit 63% statistic.

Like many of the CIS stories ("studies") which came before this one and were partly to totally debunked, the center for immigration studies twists and turns like a mountain road in order to make the numbers as scary as possible.

Edited by relic (06/12/19 01:30 AM)

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: relic] * 1
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You got me by this much on that point, balls. :thumbup:

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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I’m not a tribalist. I think people inside the us should be treated equally. I don’t think immigrants are a significant burden on this country. Everyone who is working is a productive person contributing to the economy.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that immigrants legal or illegal have a negative effect on economies. The fact is that places with more immigrants have lower crime rates and better economies. Maybe the immigrants go to more economically vibrant regions, but they aren’t ruining that vibrancy.

Jhova keeps blaming illegals and immigrants in general for the problems he sees in LA. Here’s the thing, LA county is about 7% illegal immigrant. The county I live in is 10%. Both counties are about 35% foreign born.

Montgomery County MD


Los Angeles County CA


Why does a county that has a larger percentage of illegals have more than double the median income without having a higher median home price if it’s illegals that are pushing up costs?

The fact is none of these problems you talk about have much of anything to do with immigration.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: relic] * 1
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birthright citizenship is a major problem. theres over 300,000 babies being born every year from that. chinese are exploiting this in the us. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/asia/chinese-birth-tourism-arrest/index.html


Koods doesnt care about americans. he makes no distinction positively towards native born and foreigners. xenophilia in a sense. worship the foreign for no reason at all.

we wont know exactly how many illegal aliens are in the country until the census is done. until then the number is anywhere from 11 million to 30 million. thats a lot of people.

every dollar spent on illegals is money not spent on citizens. we arent a priority in some states. illegals are.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: JHOVA] * 2
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every dollar spent on war is a dollar not spent on humanitarian aide.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: split_by_nine] * 1
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has anyone here been denied welfare benefits because of immigrants?

seriously, has anyone?


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: split_by_nine]
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please show me where on the welfare application it reads "you will be denied benefits if too many illegals are in the country"

lol


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: split_by_nine]
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ive seen first-hand many SSI recipients that get social security checks for simply being drug addicts. these are citizens.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I’m not a tribalist. I think people inside the us should be treated equally. I don’t think immigrants are a significant burden on this country. Everyone who is working is a productive person contributing to the economy.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that immigrants legal or illegal have a negative effect on economies. The fact is that places with more immigrants have lower crime rates and better economies. Maybe the immigrants go to more economically vibrant regions, but they aren’t ruining that vibrancy.

Jhova keeps blaming illegals and immigrants in general for the problems he sees in LA. Here’s the thing, LA county is about 7% illegal immigrant. The county I live in is 10%. Both counties are about 35% foreign born.

Montgomery County MD


Los Angeles County CA


Why does a county that has a larger percentage of illegals have more than double the median income without having a higher median home price if it’s illegals that are pushing up costs?

The fact is none of these problems you talk about have much of anything to do with immigration.



What does this have to do with illegal immigrants not speaking English and receiving perks and benefits?

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: relic] * 2
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relic said:
Shenmue said:
What the fuck are you talking about lmao! You want someone like Bernie to get in for free school, healthcare and other free shit but you think trump supporters are lazy 🤨? At least trump supporters want to pay for their own shit! Hillary, Bernie and trump were all bad choices for president. None of them should be president! Hillary and Bernie are political assholes that have been in the system for year's. Trump is a fucking billionaire that's never lived in the real world. Who in their right fucking mind would want any of these people to be president! It just drives me crazy how you guys think Hillary and Bernie wants to help us! They dont give a FUCK about you! They never have! They're in a club and you're not fucking in it! Hillary and Bernie have millions! Do you think they got that money from helping the public! What fucking world are you living in!




Your posts make you seem pretty young and uninformed, but that's neither here nor there.  At least you're passionate!!!1!!1!!!!1!!

It shows significant ignorance to lump Bernie in with Hillary in relation to anything more than both of them being politicians. 

While stupid Americans consider them both to be on the left, Hillary was pretty far right in actuality.  And?  She's old news, bruh.



koods says that west Virginia is full of retarded people and that trump supporters can't pass a drug test but I'm the one that sounds immature lol. He's 100% a internet troll. All he's doing is getting more people to vote for trump.

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: Shenmue] * 1
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Closed. The system here makes you a bigot as it looks after asylum seekers better than the homeless.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: split_by_nine]
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split_by_nine said:
please show me where on the welfare application it reads "you will be denied benefits if too many illegals are in the country"

lol



Nice strawman, it's not that US citizens are being completely denied, it's that they're receiving a smaller benefit as a result because they're sharing it with non-citizens. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: qman] * 1
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its easy to understand because its not true.

your amount of benefits is based on your income amd family size.

its not based on how many people are using welfare benefits at the time.

you would know this is if you had ever used welfare, which im sure you've never. i have.


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