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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: vault123] * 1
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I would want to be sure I passed muster myself before i started applying judgments about the fitness or suitability of others.
Then I would want to examine whether or not the metric itself was even effective at whatever its intent is.
Then I would take a long hard look at myself in the mirror and wonder what was wrong with me that I was looking so hard for a reason to keep dark people out of my country that I would latch onto anything that supported that position no matter how feebly.

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: ballsalsa]
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African immigrants to the Us already have higher average education attainment than native born Americans. Conservatives seem pretty ignorant of how selective our immigrantion system is already. Just the act of immigrating to the US is a intelligence filtering mechanism - intelligent people are more likely to emigrate than stupid ones.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
So we should give potential immigrants IQ tests?


No I just don’t think we should be taking people at random, and I certainly don’t think we should be taking MS-13 gang members, if you would like to retrace all of those steps.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
African immigrants to the Us already have higher average education attainment than native born Americans.


You are correct, and in my opinion that is a tragedy. We are taking the best and brightest of those countries citizens who could do so much to help develop the regions they’re from. You could say that of all of the resources America has taken from the most impoverished regions of the earth that it’s most educated citizens is by far the most cruel.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Judge Aaron Satie

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
First world nations only exist by the grace of borders!!!!  So why in the world would I want no borders, so I can start living a third world standard of living?


We could have a world where no one would have to struggle like the bottom 80% of the world population does.

But you celebrate that inequality and kick downhill as hard as you can to keep them away.

Makes me think of that movie scene where a group of Ayn Rand type opportunity oriented capitalists enter a free market:



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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
qman said:
First world nations only exist by the grace of borders!!!!  So why in the world would I want no borders, so I can start living a third world standard of living?


We could have a world where no one would have to struggle like the bottom 80% of the world population does.

But you celebrate that inequality and kick downhill as hard as you can to keep them away.


So it appears you have solved world poverty just by eliminating national borders, why didn't anyone else think of that before?

Also, I don't celebrate inequality, what I do support is maintaining a first world standard of living for myself and my fellow US citizens. That means I value citizenship, national borders and sovereignty. I don't believe that involves kicking anyone downhill.

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
what I do support is maintaining a first world standard of living for myself and my fellow US citizens.


1 in 5 is on food stamps.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: Asante] * 1
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What is it that makes a nation.
If laws and borders forever shift.
Stories create eternal salvation.
Bridging a Gondwana sent adrift.

We are not seperated by an oceans edge.
Nor the high mountain pass.
A needed radicalization of human knowledge.
Else a worldwide coup de gras.

Fabrications of impenetrable ideals.
Stitched together on rectangles.
Collectivism and what it steals.
Balance it forever mangles.

Whilst the fews conquests continue.
As we normalize their fight.
That pain that's within you.
It's false that it's right.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
Asante said:
qman said:
First world nations only exist by the grace of borders!!!!  So why in the world would I want no borders, so I can start living a third world standard of living?


We could have a world where no one would have to struggle like the bottom 80% of the world population does.

But you celebrate that inequality and kick downhill as hard as you can to keep them away.


So it appears you have solved world poverty just by eliminating national borders, why didn't anyone else think of that before?

Also, I don't celebrate inequality, what I do support is maintaining a first world standard of living for myself and my fellow US citizens. That means I value citizenship, national borders and sovereignty. I don't believe that involves kicking anyone downhill.


1. Plenty of people have thought of this before.
2. You absolutely celebrate inequality.  You just couch it in white supremacy.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
2. You absolutely celebrate inequality.


When you say celebrate inequality do you mean equality of opportunity or equality of outcome? Because the two are mutually exclusive. If you have one, you will not have the other.
The Ecstatic said:
You just couch it in white supremacy.


What definition of “white supremacist” are we working with here?
Are we going with the Tariq Nasheed definition of white supremacist or the CNN definition?

I’m just curious here, what did he say that you’re referring to that qualifies as “white supremacy” that he apparently couched something in?

This part I just want to know so I can be aware of it because at least during this conversation I didn’t see anything I would define as “white supremacist” but the definition is often applied so fast and loose that it can be easy to loose track.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: vault123] * 3
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They’re different, but not mutually exclusive.

As far as the white supremacy bit goes, qman has claimed on multiple occasions that whites are simply better at this whole civilization thing, that blacks destroyed Africa and would destroy Europe if they were in charge of it. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I'm willing to bet he believes Asians are genetically smarter as a group too.

That crushes your narrative meant to defame.

The left wants to defame rather than debate.

As always.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: XUL] * 2
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I’m sorry you think qman’s own words make him look bad.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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That's what you think.

I think you look bad here because you Cherry pick his words in order to defame him.

I am embarrassed for you.

Your shallow attempts at calling people racists are predictable and false.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: Tantrika]
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That appears to be correct in terms of the color palette. In terms of your difficulty with immigration I would consult an immigration attorney. There is such a thing in America as "a draw on the public charge" but it seems to be rarely enforced, and very rarely does it prevent illegal immigrants from accessing public services.

In case you were aware of any immigrants in America who are "not lawfully present" you can show them this website which shows them the public assistance options they qualify for. Medicaid, cash handouts, and even loans for higher education are all on there. The downloadable pdf has it all conveniently listed. There's also free immigration attorney assistance if you needed that as well.

Canada probably does not have a birthright citizenship like America I'm not sure about Canadian immigration laws, but on the bright side Canada just signed the "global compact for migration" didn't they? That should make migration to first world countries a fundamental human right, similar to the 1965 immigration act in America.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
They’re different, but not mutually exclusive.



Then I'm sure it would be no problem for you to provide an example of both equality of opportunity and outcome being present simultaneously.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: vault123] * 1
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Not sure you’re using mutually exclusive correctly.

Either way, nobody is arguing for equal outcomes. This is just standard pablum for the people who think we already have equal opportunity. We don’t.


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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
I'm willing to bet he believes Asians are genetically smarter as a group too.

That crushes your narrative meant to defame.

The left wants to defame rather than debate.

As always.


They're not genetically smarter.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: Brian Jones]
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I feel like folks that latch onto IQ averages by ethnicity as an important statistic are probably way over on the left hand side of the curve themselves.
I could be wrong, but it sure doesn't seem that way.

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Re: Closed or open borders? [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
This thread is for debating the merits of open or closed border policies. Lets use America for our topic and discuss whether or not a open border policy would MakeAmericaGreatAgian or cripple it.
I personally think America couldn't handle a open border policy. So prove me right or prove me wrong, the microphone is on you guys. Discuss!


I would support a one world government. Each continent would elect representatives to serve on the Earth Council. There would be no borders the planet would be fully integrated.


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