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Re: Leftists [Re: qman]
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qman said:
A 11 year old boy is still a child, he doesn't need the burden of being some sort of advocate for any type of community. 

Anyone can see this child isn't right in his own head, while it's not technically "abuse" according to the CPS, that doesn't mean it's not child abuse.
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Think the real tragedy of CPS getting involved
is that 10 seperate organizations came to try and aid a little white kid, but found no basis they could use to do so
while if he had been the child of immigrants, it would have likely been a footnote case



qman said:
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This child needs a new environment for his own safety and future as an adult. He's NOT going to be able to function if something isn't changed for him very soon. 

He's going to turn 18 at some point and will have every opportunity to do whatever he chooses. For now, he should be allowed to be a 11 year boy which doesn't involved being a drag queen, a performer in front of adults and an advocate for some adult social movement.

What do you think is going to happen when he's old enough to realize he's been exploited by adults his whole childhood?  Yeah, not good.





Like the selection of video but not watching it in full
while liking some of Gwen Stefani's appearances on other artists tracks, was not a big fan of No Doubt
but the few snippets of video of him dancing around in sports pants and a top
makes me thankful there is not video of my performance in the Church talent show dancing in a less-covering swimsuit on a surfboard to Surfing USA by the Beach Boys

My junior high school had a tradition where the graduating boys of grade 9 would 'perform' in the talent show
pantomiming AC/DC's Thunderstruck

is the particularly upsetting part the fact that he is instead dressed as a female performer and attempting her mannerisms?
or is there a particular timestamp in the video you wanted me to see?

as an aside, do you think Megyn Kelly should have been punished for arguing blackface is acceptable if it is part of a halloween costume dressing up as a particular person?

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Re: Leftists [Re: Tantrika] * 2
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Child pageantry of any kind is disgusting.


Also, in that video the kid is dancing suggestively while people around the
stage hand him money. Tantrika, I usually enjoy your posts but it's pretty
disingenuous to compare that to a talent show when grown men are throwing a ten
year old money for dancing provocatively on stage.

Come on guys


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Re: Leftists [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
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natedawgnow said:
Child pageantry of any kind is disgusting.


Also, in that video the kid is dancing suggestively while people around the
stage hand him money. Tantrika, I usually enjoy your posts but it's pretty
disingenuous to compare that to a talent show when grown men are throwing a ten
year old money for dancing provocatively on stage.

Come on guys



Did not see the money, thank you for bringing it to my attention
hence my having expressly asked for a time-stamp, tho you did not actually provide such

clicked through parts of the video,
saw snippets of a kid running around on stage vaguely "dancing" in the costume of an artist who was big in my time growing up
instantly thought of childhood "talent" where kids demonstrate no talent
rather than a strip-club setting of throwing money

the sound quality is terrible, not a huge No Doubt fan to watch a parody performance, and not inclined to sit through a silent video of a kid dancing
strikes me as wierd, even if it is for the purposes of complaining about it

Do find it interesting that we can find agreement that child pageantry is disgusting
without recognizing how both accounts of my "talent" shows were individuals on stage in a form of pageantry
unless childhood flailing or preteen mock headbanging with brooms is considered to legitimately be talent in your eyes

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Re: Leftists [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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This is what I mean about disingenuous debate. Talent shows are not anywhere
near the same thing as pagaents and mock tease dances (which is definitely
whats happening in that video) and I know that you
know this.

The 1st instance of being handed money in the vid is within 30 seconds.
I think it's interesting though that you think watching the video is weird but
somehow hving the kid do it, film it, and have grown men handing him money
while he doesn't isn't any weirder than a talent show. That's some mental gymnastics right there.


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Re: Leftists [Re: natedawgnow] * 2
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natedawgnow said:
This is what I mean about disingenuous debate. Talent shows are not anywhere
near the same thing as pagaents and mock tease dances (which is definitely
whats happening in that video) and I know that you
know this.

The 1st instance of being handed money in the vid is within 30 seconds.
I think it's interesting though that you think watching the video is weird but
somehow hving the kid do it, film it, and have grown men handing him money
while he doesn't isn't any weirder than a talent show. That's some mental gymnastics right there.



Will reiterate
personally talentlessly danced for a talent show
in a swimsuit in front of a church congregation
in a similar manner as the video, but with less bodily covering
and find it extremely weird
but all my hatred and resentment of the church ties to later treatment in my life; never found anything unusual about the pastor setting up that performance at the time

you are the one who seems to be arguing that because what happened to me happened in a Church in front of a Church congregation
it requires mental gymnastics to be as disgusted with as his performance taking place

but do not think the kid should be punished for having fun, think there are adults that should be held accountable
and if CPS could not find the parents accountable for anything wrong, then the venues that facillitated it should be pursued

apologize if me not wanting to watch a personally triggering video is disingenious debate in your eyes
but effort was made to explicitly inquire what was considered to be of note in the video to make up for my discomfort with watching it
and subsequent acknowledgement of how that issue relates to my standing argument was provided in light of the requested information

is the money your personal focus on what is wrong with pageantry in this instance
or if you object to pageantry beyond financial incentives that entice parents to push their kids to perform
whereabouts do you feel the line is?

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Re: Leftists [Re: Tantrika]
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Honestly if you felt uncomfortable then the church was fucked for making
you do it. I'm super against mass organized religion, especially catholicism.

No, the money isn't my main problem. The money just reaffirms the fact that
this isn't just meant to be a kid having innocent fun. He's basically being paid to
do a mock tease show and that's sick. Is this at a bar?

So by acknowledging that this is a trigger for you, you also acknowledge
that what is happening to this kid is possibly traumatizing, just like your
experience. Except that being in swim trunks and dressing in scantily clad
drag while grown men gawk are a little different.


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Re: Leftists [Re: natedawgnow] * 1
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natedawgnow said:
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No, the money isn't my main problem. The money just reaffirms the fact that
this isn't just meant to be a kid having innocent fun. He's basically being paid to
do a mock tease show and that's sick. Is this at a bar?
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This is where my criticism of the capabilities of CPS comes in
while his parents may not be at fault for anything
it seems like someone in his life, possibly involved with the venue where it happened, must be making a push for public performance
if he is dressing in drag around the house and his parents are not forcing him to do it, do not see the harm with his enjoyment of it
but the exploitation and publication of him bothers me

should prolly clarify here that part of my enjoyment of living in MontrΓ©al
was a set of bylaws that required consent of the individual to publish publicly taken images of them
and feel this relates to this case somewhat, but with a sentiment that children aren't old enough to consent to their likeness being used in propogation of any messaging campaign

natedawgnow said:
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So by acknowledging that this is a trigger for you, you also acknowledge
that what is happening to this kid is possibly traumatizing, just like your
experience. Except that being in swim trunks and dressing in scantily clad
drag while grown men gawk are a little different.



Acknowledge that what is happening to this kid could be tied to something traumatizing
if his parents are facillitating public shows in a strip-club or bar setting, it astonishes me that CPS did not pick up on that
if adult-oriented venues are facillitating his shows in venues he would not be old enough to be a customer in
it also astonishes me that CPS did not look outside of family life

but yeah, was not in swim trunks
and given that he seemed to be wearing full-length pants and a (albeit small) tank top for the duration of the set
he seems to be more covered than I was -- again, this is just my perception from clicking around the video timeline a bit
if he strips or something mid-show, that is disgusting but would also prefer not to be given detail about it

as an aside, he appears to be a cisgender boy who likes dressing in drag for performative purposes or, at least, for personal enjoyment around the house
but he does not seem to be, to my knowledge, a transgender kid or even leaning in that direction
so not sure about the relative coverage/comedic portrayal of Gwen Stefani's tiny tops is scantily clad coverage or not
the circumstances of performance imply such, but his gender implies that there is little to no recognized social consequence of him being shirtless in public
but mostly bring this last bit up as an aside, due to remembering a bit when Russel Brand appeared on Joe Rogan
and was critical of his wife putting his daughter into a bikini bathing suit; because the particular cut of suit is sexualized even if she is too young to have developed breasts

think it was this bit, but will take a moment to review and correct the video if the wrong one

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Re: Leftists [Re: Tantrika]
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CPS didn't want to go to war with the LGBTQ movement, it isn't a winnable war. So that's why they retreated from this battle.

Is this child being exploited by adults for a variety of different reasons?  Definitely. Does the state want to intervene and get attacked by the SJW's screaming "bigots" and kidnapping conservatives?  Hell no. 

At the end of the day, this child is all on his own. His parents are abusing him and CPS is terrified to rescue him because it's too dangerous to do so. I fear for his future, it looks very bleak.

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Re: Leftists [Re: qman]
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qman said:
CPS didn't want to go to war with the LGBTQ movement, it isn't a winnable war. So that's why they retreated from this battle.
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See, my interpretation is a little different here
get the feeling his parents did not want to go to war with the LGBTQ movement
and did not want to risk having their kid taken from them, so let him dress up how he wants
if the parents are not inhibiting him in his preferred gender expression, there is no legal basis under which he can be taken

if he had been being made to dress the way he does against his will, CPS should have picked that up in one of their interactions with him

if he wants to wear dresses and his parents try to force him to wear pants, CPS then would have a basis to take him

this comes out of predominate familiarity with Canadian child services tho

qman said:
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Is this child being exploited by adults for a variety of different reasons?  Definitely. ...



that is sort of the nature of an individual being pushed into the public eye; society uses them as a proxy for our narratives
arguably the "definite" view both of us take of him being exploited are exploitative in themselves
neither of us is engaging with him and finding out his position on things, we are both just imputing sentiments onto him and using them as a point of discussion

qman said:
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Does the state want to intervene and get attacked by the SJW's screaming "bigots" and kidnapping conservatives?  Hell no. 
...



They should want to, the target family is white and can't be used in an SJW racial discrimination narrative
if CPS does not seek to inhibit the kid from dressing in drag in his new home because its his preference, SJWs would rejoice

why can't the state take little gay and trans muslim kids out of their conservative households and give them to trans-friendly white families like his?
SJWs screaming "bigots" over racism;
SJWs don't want trans kids raised in trans-friendly households, they want white kids raised in coloured households
:cookiemonster:


qman said:
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At the end of the day, this child is all on his own. His parents are abusing him and CPS is terrified to rescue him because it's too dangerous to do so. I fear for his future, it looks very bleak.



Am interested to see how the kid turns out, and think the bleakest part of his scenario is he has had to grow up in a twitter culture where people all over the world feel need to comment about him
how do you think he's going to feel when he hits 18, signs up for the Shroomery and finds out some crazy druggies had opinions on his performances?
some transwoman in the political forum didn't like that he was a boy doing a drag rather than a woman finding self-expression through performance culture
because transvestites have a hand in the aversive public reception of my use of the word "tranny"
:lol:

Maybe he'll end up a drugged out performer like some sort of Marilyn Manson figure
and end up loving all the criticism he got over his games of dress-up

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Re: Leftists [Re: Tantrika]
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This one here's a two'fer.

On one side, we have Tsipras and SYRIZA, the "revolutionary" left-wing government of Greece pushing through anti-immigrant policy and neoliberal austerity measures - now, in the weeks immediately preceding the next election, has decided to initiate severe crackdowns on autonomous left-wing neighbourhoods, social centers, and activists. Because there's no such thing as a revolutionary government.

On the other side, we have two solid compaΓ±erxs in Greece, Giorgos and Nikos from Rovikonas, who have been pinched and are now being blackmailed by the Greek state. If they don't raise 60,000€ by June 14th they each face 10 years in prison. Read the article below for more details on their case:
https://enoughisenough14.org/2019/05/30/rouvikonas-statement-against-repression-of-resistance-in-greece/


Their crime?



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Re: Leftists [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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https://www.newmediacentral.net/brazil-couple-stabs-nine-year-old-boy-to-death-after-makeshift-gender-reassignment-surgery/

brazilian lesbians perform castration on boy then stab him to death one year later. he was 9 years old. cps ignored him and his father was cut out from his life.


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Re: Leftists [Re: JHOVA]
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and what does that have to do with leftists?


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Re: Leftists [Re: koods]
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This just in: Antifa scientists have completed a beta version of distributed software that data-mines Facebook for fascist and/or seditious posts for the purpose of creating a database of people who may be, or are possibly on the verge of becoming domestic terrorists.

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Re: Leftists [Re: koods] * 3
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koods said:
and what does that have to do with leftists?



seems to be mainly the fact that it is not being reported in leftist media?

Visited the link provided; when the author claims to have drawn sources from Brazillian Child Protective services, he instead links to a Portugeuse blog

https://juliosevero.blogspot.com/2019/06/duas-lesbicas-matam-facadas-um-menino.html

which, in turn, links to an English version of the same blog as a source
https://lastdayswatchman.blogspot.com/2019/06/two-brazilian-lesbians-stab-boy-one.html

poking around for "brazillian son stabbing" on google instead brought up a two year old story about a woman who stabbed her son to death for being gay
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4132656/Brazilian-mother-stabs-17-year-old-son-death.html
Quote:
Brazilian mother 'stabs her 17-year-old son to death because he was gay after two thugs she hired refused to kill him'

    Tatiana Lozano Pereira, 32, admitted to killing her son Itaberli Lozano, 17
    According to local reports, Pereira had long rejected her son as he was gay
    After an explosive row, she allegedly hired two hitmen to kill her son
    However when they failed to do so, she stabbed him to death with a knife



googling for brazil child death Rhuan got me the actual Journal de Brasilia
but they don't mention anything about the castration in their story about the case (one about the murder)
and instead point out that his mother was a crazy lady who scrawled bible passages on the wall before killing him
Quote:
At the police station, they confirmed the crime without showing regret. According to investigations, they are from Acre and have been in Brasilia for two years. In the house where they lived, biblical passages marked the walls, as well as moldy pans on a stove. Both described the crime to the police without fear and said they planned the act a month ago.



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The motivation for the crime, according to Rosana, was because the boy very much remembered her father, the child's grandfather. Her goal was to start a new life with Kacyla, and for that she would have to kill the boy.



https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fjornaldebrasilia.com.br%2Fcidades%2Fmae-confessa-ter-degolado-e-esquartejado-filho-de-nove-anos%2F

They do mention it briefly in an account of the boy's life in another story tho
and the boy's father apparently credits his wife as having changed after meeting her lover at a Evangelical Church and going gung-ho religious
Quote:
Rhuan's father reveals that the boy was diagnosed with autism and therefore needed special follow-up to attend college. When she finally got the medical referral to request special care for her son, Rosana disappeared from the map with him. Rhuan would begin his studies in 2015, but a year earlier his mother took him and no longer allowed his father and son to see each other.

After the arrest, Rosana stated that the boy's death was "necessary" to forget a time of abuse and aggression from the boy's father. " Before she left here, she had denounced me for assault, but she has never been to any audience, " she says. The position of the boy's maternal grandmother was clear in the court case for custody of the child. " Her mother helped me, she knows who I am, I've never done anything bad to her, " the man adds.

The separation of the couple brought an unusual situation. With nowhere to go, Rosana stayed with Rhuan in the house of the boy's paternal grandparents. Meanwhile, Douglas had to leave the parents' house, returning only for a visit. " I came every day to see him, to walk with him, " comments Douglas, who returned to live with his parents. She swore that the man would never see her son again.

Apparent normality

Despite his history of confusion with Rhuan's mother, Douglas admits that Rosana behaved like a "normal person." At least until he entered the evangelical church, where he met Kacyla. After joining his companion, accomplice in the murder of his son, " it has changed; has completely gone mad . " He recalls that even the boy's clothes were the target of Rosana's religious fanaticism. " She set fire to Rhuan's clothes, because there were some drawings of a child, which she considered 'the devil '," Douglas says, his voice lanky.

But Rosana's impetus was not limited to the relation with the son - dead, burned and quartered by her. When Rosana's own mother took Douglas's party in the custody of the boy, " she threatened to set fire to her mother's house too; very sinister, "recalls Maicon.

Despite acknowledging the boy's mother's imbalance, he questions Kacyla's attitude after his arrest. " She was always the mentor and Rosana complied. Kacyla tries to get her off the line, (in) all the interviews she blames only on Rosana, "he criticizes. " I had no clue (of this behavior). There was no such madness, it was only bursting when she met Kacyla . "

In addition to the post-mortem dismemberment, the investigations indicate that the couple would have cut the boy's penis a few months ago. Asked if he believes in the hypotheses raised by the Federal District Civil Police (PCDF), Douglas does not hesitate. "Surely the wickedness in their heads leads me to believe. It was not a belief, it was a sect, something very crazy. "



https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fjornaldebrasilia.com.br%2Fcidades%2Fa-historia-de-rhuan-ele-so-queria-ser-amado%2F

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Re: Leftists [Re: Tantrika]
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/verdict-jury-awards-gibsons-bakery-11-million-against-oberlin-college/amp/

The verdict sends a strong message that colleges and universities cannot simply wind up and set loose student social justice warriors and then wash their hands of the consequences. In this case, a wholly innocent 5th-generation bakery was falsely accused of being racist and having a history racial profiling after stopping three black Oberlin College students from shoplifting. The students eventually pleaded guilty, but not before large protests and boycotts intended to destroy the bakery and defame the owners. The jury appears to have accepted that Oberlin College facilitated the wrongful conduct against the bakery.

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Re: Leftists [Re: MagicMush123]
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Interesting; I wonder what the implications of this verdict will be. I thought the line was that colleges were supposed to uphold freedom of speech on campus, even if it means spending exorbitant amounts of money on security in order to allow neo-nazis to have a parade. Does this mean colleges can now be successfully sued both for preventing protests and speeches from occurring, and for anything negative that results from these protests and speeches?

To be honest, I'm not sure why free speech activists rarely, if ever, talk about libel laws. Libel and slander lawsuits are used much more often, and much more successfully, to place a chill on free speech than we have ever seen from hate speech lawsuits. Why is protecting profits a reasonable limit to freedom of speech, but protecting people isn't? It just doesn't make sense unless we assume that, despite the stated intention, preserving freedom of speech isn't actually the driving force behind "free speech activism".


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Re: Leftists [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/verdict-jury-awards-gibsons-bakery-11-million-against-oberlin-college/amp/

The verdict sends a strong message that colleges and universities cannot simply wind up and set loose student social justice warriors and then wash their hands of the consequences. In this case, a wholly innocent 5th-generation bakery was falsely accused of being racist and having a history racial profiling after stopping three black Oberlin College students from shoplifting. The students eventually pleaded guilty, but not before large protests and boycotts intended to destroy the bakery and defame the owners. The jury appears to have accepted that Oberlin College facilitated the wrongful conduct against the bakery.



Awards granted by juries in lawsuits are meaningless, until after the appeals process invariably reduces them. Oberlin was probably wrong, but nobody is going to be paying the monetary awards mentioned in the link.


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Re: Leftists [Re: Brian Jones]
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"Why I left Antifa: Former Antifa Member Tells His Story"


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Re: Leftists [Re: koods]
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koods said:
and what does that have to do with leftists?



the story isnt being covered by the PT supporting media because of the killer's protected status as 1. a woman and 2 a homosexual. the sexual liberation movement has severed the sacred bond of father and child. CPS is a joke in every country. they work against the interest of children and families.


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Re: Leftists [Re: JHOVA] * 4
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Thats a lot of words to say 'nothing'

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