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Re: Leftists [Re: XUL]
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That's not how the system works. Those that have insurance pay for those that don't, that's because every person uses health care at some point in their life. Therefor, every person should pay. The easiest way to do that is through taxation.

You are advocating a system for free loaders.

My system is "everybody should pay."

Your's "let's pay for ER visits for people who don't want to pay into the system."


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Re: Leftists [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
I think having insurance but failing to pay deductibles is slightly better, but still bad.

We should end health care free loading. All it would take is to have single payer.


I agree, a single payer system that's exclusively for US citizens, not illegals crossing the border for free health care.

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Re: Leftists [Re: qman]
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Let's get the single payer system rolling then I'll advocate some policy that helps control those that take advantage.


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Re: Leftists [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
Let's get the single payer system rolling then I'll advocate some policy that helps control those that take advantage.


How about forcing their illegal employers to pay for their health care expenses, instead of US citizens? 

The Elite benefit from their slave labor and then force the US taxpayer to fund their social services so they can live and work in the US.    :huxleyfacepalm:

Why do so many support and encourage this scenario?

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Re: Leftists [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
lol, not in california.  you could add up orange county and all the hillbilly inland counties together and it only makes like, 1/3 of the people.
Realistically, it was always free for illegals through the ER which is more expensive and clogs the place up when guys like me get smashed with a baseball bat and need to get looked at sooner than 18hrs from now.
Still, California should do single payer for all.


Maybe not in California but trump will probably utilize it as a good talking point to hit to his base

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Re: Leftists [Re: MagicMush123]
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Lol - like he needs talking points grounded in reality, at this point he just says whatever made up bullshit he feels like


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Re: Leftists [Re: XUL]
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Emergency care is way more expensive than preventative care.  Thats just throwing away money out of "principle"

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Re: Leftists [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
Lol - like he needs talking points grounded in reality, at this point he just says whatever made up bullshit he feels like


All politicians "make up bullshit", Trump is just better at convincing voters than his political opponents.

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Re: Leftists [Re: qman]
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qman said:
christopera said:
Let's get the single payer system rolling then I'll advocate some policy that helps control those that take advantage.


How about forcing their illegal employers to pay for their health care expenses, instead of US citizens? 

The Elite benefit from their slave labor and then force the US taxpayer to fund their social services so they can live and work in the US.    :huxleyfacepalm:

Why do so many support and encourage this scenario?


You know I’ve been very consistent in that I think we should punish companies, not immigrants. Your proposal absolutely fits that and I think it’s a solid idea.


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Re: Leftists [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
twighead said:
Lol - like he needs talking points grounded in reality, at this point he just says whatever made up bullshit he feels like


All politicians "make up bullshit", Trump is just better at convincing voters than his political opponents.


He lies vastly more than just about any politician - far more blatantly and in circumstances where the truth is well known to just about anyone (except trump voters it seems).

Not really an opinion either - at this point, it's well documented.

He doesn't really convince them of anything - they probably honestly have no clue one way or another, it's the result of an ongoing 20-30+ year social trend where his constituents have convinced themselves to shut out everything but Fox & friends :lol: So they literally don't know what the fuck is going on.


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Re: Leftists [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
qman said:
twighead said:
Lol - like he needs talking points grounded in reality, at this point he just says whatever made up bullshit he feels like


All politicians "make up bullshit", Trump is just better at convincing voters than his political opponents.


He lies vastly more than just about any politician - far more blatantly and in circumstances where the truth is well known to just about anyone (except trump voters it seems).

Not really an opinion either - at this point, it's well documented.

He doesn't really convince them of anything - they probably honestly have no clue one way or another, it's the result of an ongoing 20-30+ year social trend where his constituents have convinced themselves to shut out everything but Fox & friends :lol: So they literally don't know what the fuck is going on.


I agree that Trump lies more than most if not the most, but with that being said, how astute were Obama's supporters in regards to his actions? (Obama Care)    Not so good. 

Did they know he was responsible for the largest wealth and income inequality in over 80 years?  They literally didn't know what the fuck was going on.

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Re: Leftists [Re: qman] * 1
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That was the great recession. Before Obama.


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Re: Leftists [Re: koods]
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Exactly.  He inherited, and subsequently presided over, an economy of which one of the results was increasing the wealth gap to just about the largest (the largest?) in history...but an honest person doesn't assert that Obama was responsible for making it so.

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Re: Leftists [Re: relic]
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I won't cheerlead for Obama, but he could have done much worse, all things considered.  I would vote for obama again over trump, and i really didnt care for him.

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Re: Leftists [Re: ballsalsa]
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He did some good and definitely screwed the pooch on some other things... healthcare to name just one.

But I hear you and agree.

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Re: Leftists [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
christopera said:
Let's get the single payer system rolling then I'll advocate some policy that helps control those that take advantage.


How about forcing their illegal employers to pay for their health care expenses, instead of US citizens? 

The Elite benefit from their slave labor and then force the US taxpayer to fund their social services so they can live and work in the US.    :huxleyfacepalm:

Why do so many support and encourage this scenario?




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Re: Leftists [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
christopera said:
Let's get the single payer system rolling then I'll advocate some policy that helps control those that take advantage.


How about forcing their illegal employers to pay for their health care expenses, instead of US citizens? 

The Elite benefit from their slave labor and then force the US taxpayer to fund their social services so they can live and work in the US.    :huxleyfacepalm:

Why do so many support and encourage this scenario?





So you're agreeing that immigrants lower wages? :lol:

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Re: Leftists [Re: relic]
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relic said:
Exactly.  He inherited, and subsequently presided over, an economy of which one of the results was increasing the wealth gap to just about the largest (the largest?) in history...but an honest person doesn't assert that Obama was responsible for making it so.


I agree, it was Obama's watch, but I don't hold him directly responsible for that result because he wasn't allowed to govern.

The point remains the same, his supporters had no clue that was occurring under his watch. In fact, they still don't know what happened even many years after the fact.

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Re: Leftists [Re: koods]
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koods said:
That was the great recession. Before Obama.


2013

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/05/u-s-income-inequality-on-rise-for-decades-is-now-highest-since-1928/

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Re: Leftists [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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Capitalists lower wages.


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