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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: koods]
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koods said:
It’s not worth it. No matter what you show him, he’s not gonna budge.


You forgot, I'm not the judge here.

Pick one of those and let's go, since you clearly believe those are fake news.  :popcorn:


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
They were literally called out for fake news yesterday  :lol:

https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-today-reuters/29915005.html


Fine, you go first.  Make your case that's fake news (or do you want to let the article to speak for itself?)


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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Let me give you a free peek at what you're up against:

Polygraph.info is a website produced by funded by Voice of America (VOA)​ and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, which are both American propoganda outlets (this article by The Atlantic is worth a read).

Of course a US Government funded propoganda website isn't going to be honest about RT, because RT is the one calling out US Government propoganda in the first place!

The tweet in question wasn't even published by RT, so technically, it's ineligible.


Regardless, I'm willing to give this to you as a 'freebie' if you provide a Reuters article from today that shows a pro Maduro rally, as claimed by Polygraph.info.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (05/02/19 12:37 AM)

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Let me give you a free peek at what you're up against:

Polygraph.info is a website produced by funded by Voice of America (VOA)​ and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, which are both American propoganda outlets (this article by The Atlantic is worth a read).

Of course a US Government funded propoganda website isn't going to be honest about RT, because RT is the one calling out US Government propoganda in the first place!

The tweet in question wasn't even published by RT, so technically, it's ineligible.


Regardless, I'm willing to give this to you as a 'freebie' if you provide a Reuters article from today that shows a pro Maduro rally, as claimed by Polygraph.info.


Well firstly, are you really contending that every single article in question on the google toolkit is unjustly categorized as fake or misleading?
2nd margarita simonyan is the chief and editor of rt. So if the chief cant be trusted to post credible information on her Twitter feed (she posted political news) how much confidence do you have that she will keep fake news off her website?
  And third, rt is owned and operated by the Russian government. So i dont know how you get off saying that the polygraph is an American propaganda outlet so therefore its not reliable and shouldn't be trusted, but the rt is... If you think that about the polygraph then you should also think of rt as equally unreliable and biased

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
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Lol he refuses to see that RT is exactly what he rails against.

Some of those RT stories are objectively false, but he still demands more evidence. There is no amount of evidence that will convince him. This thread is a waste of time.


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Well firstly, are you really contending that every single article in question on the google toolkit is unjustly categorized as fake or misleading?


The "Google Toolkit" is a summary of what polygraph.info (a US Government website) says.  If you don't bring any of those items up in this thread for balls to judge, then you're the one who's actualy saying they must be fake or misleading.  Go ahead, pick one and let's find out if it's true or not!

MagicMush123 said:
2nd margarita simonyan is the chief and editor of rt. So if the chief cant be trusted to post credible information on her Twitter feed (she posted political news) how much confidence do you have that she will keep fake news off her website?


Who says she can't be trusted?  You haven't yet shown she was lying.  I gave you an opportunity to prove her wrong by posting a Reuters article from yesterday that shows a pro-Maduro rally.  So far, you haven't done that, so it appears she was correct.

MagicMush123 said:
And third, rt is owned and operated by the Russian government. So i dont know how you get off saying that the polygraph is an American propaganda outlet so therefore its not reliable and shouldn't be trusted, but the rt is... If you think that about the polygraph then you should also think of rt as equally unreliable and biased


If you can't find any lies from RT, then you're the one saying RT is truthful.  Prove they lie by showing us a lie!

Again, I'm offering you a 'freebie' here.  All you need to do is prove the RT editor lied about Reuters not covering any pro-Maduro rallies by showing us that Reuters did in fact cover a pro-Maduro rally yesterday.  Can you show the editor was lying?  Or not?  :popcorn:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Lol he refuses to see that RT is exactly what he rails against.


Koods, you haven't yet shown us an RT lie from the last 5 years.  Bring one up and let Balls be the judge.  Otherwise, please quit lying.  It's unbecoming of a moderator.

koods said:
Some of those RT stories are objectively false, but he still demands more evidence. There is no amount of evidence that will convince him. This thread is a waste of time.


Show us one and let balls judge according to the rules of this thread.  If you don't, you're clearly lying, and people need to vote you out as moderator.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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Crickets?

So you couldn't find even one thing from the US Government website "polygraph.info" that is true?


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Is the polygraph not trustworthy because of its American influence? So like i said, are you really arguing that every single article is question is being unjustly characterized as fake or misleading news?
  The polygraph showed that she either lied or misunderstood what the live feed that she was watching on Reuters was.. there is no Reuters article from yesterday because it was a live stream. They showed livestreams from Venezuela and Paris. They have a Reuters compilation of their live coverage from Venezuela.  Reuters covered both and when margarita chimed in it was when they were showing paris and the timestamps on her tweets prove that

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Is the polygraph not trustworthy because of its American influence?


No, it's not trustworthy because neither you, nor anyone else, could provide evidence that the RT editor was lying when she claimed Reuters wasn't showing a rally in support of Maduro in Caracas.

MagicMush123 said:
So like i said, are you really arguing that every single article is question is being unjustly characterized as fake or misleading news?


No - YOU'RE arguing that by not finding any truthful statements from them for analysis.  If you find any truthful polygraph.info articles, bring them up in this thread, and let's discuss who's lying based on the rules above.

MagicMush123 said:
The polygraph showed that she either lied or misunderstood what the live feed that she was watching on Reuters was.. there is no Reuters article from yesterday because it was a live stream. They showed livestreams from Venezuela and Paris. They have a Reuters compilation of their live coverage from Venezuela.  Reuters covered both and when margarita chimed in it was when they were showing paris and the timestamps on her tweets prove that


Ok, let's analyze this using the rules above.  :thumbup:

Here is the tweet in question:  https://twitter.com/M_Simonyan/status/1123584864123535363

Quote:
"We show a rally in support of Maduro in Caracas.  Reuters shows a green boulevard."


Technically, if Reuters showed a green Boulevard, then the RT editor wasn't lying, though to be fair, she implied that Reuters wasn't showing a "rally in support of Maduro".

So to prove polygraph.info correct, you simply need provide something from Reuters showing a rally in support of Maduro.

Let's look at polygraph's evidence.  They show an article from Reuters that covers Guaidó, not Maduro:



Fail.

Next they show a video of Guaidó supporters during the coup attempt.

Another fail.

I saw no evidence whatsoever of a rally in support of Maduro.  Can you find any?


Per the game rules - you actually get to go first, so I just gave you some free information to help you with your first post.  Please provide your evidence against the RT editor's tweet.  :popcorn:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Dude, if you read the article it is clearly referencing that Reuters was broadcasting a livestream of paris on their website. Idk how i go back in time and prove what was being broadcasted. But im sure that if the poly was lying about what Reuters was broadcasting, im sure that they would have been called out on it by now...

But i would really appreciate it if you would quit evading and answer why exactly you think that the polygraph is so unreliable and biased but the rt isn't? The polygraph is a website dedicated to fact checking all news, not discrediting rt.

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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Russian propaganda network complaining that other networks aren’t broadcasting Venezuelan propaganda.


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: koods]
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And fal failed because it didn't matter if Reuters was covering Maduro or guaido. The point was they were posting what was happening in Caracas  :lol:  when margareta indirectly claimed that they weren't covering Venezuela when it actually on the front page, they were just livestreaming paris atm :lol:

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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Ok, round 1 is done.  Here is my rebuttal:

MagicMush123 said:
Dude, if you read the article it is clearly referencing that Reuters was broadcasting a livestream of paris on their website. Idk how i go back in time and prove what was being broadcasted. But im sure that if the poly was lying about what Reuters was broadcasting, im sure that they would have been called out on it by now...


How in the world does a livestream of paris prove Reuters was showing a rally in support of Maduro???

MagicMush123 said:
But i would really appreciate it if you would quit evading and answer why exactly you think that the polygraph is so unreliable and biased but the rt isn't? The polygraph is a website dedicated to fact checking all news, not discrediting rt.


If Reuters didn't show a rally in support of Maduro, then the RT editor was correct and polygraph.info was lying.  It's that simple.

MagicMush123 said:
And fal failed because it didn't matter if Reuters was covering Maduro or guaido. The point was they were posting what was happening in Caracas  :lol:


Of course it matters.  Did you not read the tweet from the RT editor?  She accused Reuters of not showing a rally in support of Maduro.  Did they or didn't they?  If they didn't show that, then she was correct.

Ok, on to round 2...


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Russian propaganda network complaining that other networks aren’t broadcasting Venezuelan propaganda.


Per the rules, you have to stay quiet until we're done arguing with this alleged 'fake news' point.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Ok, round 1 is done.  Here is my rebuttal:

MagicMush123 said:
Dude, if you read the article it is clearly referencing that Reuters was broadcasting a livestream of paris on their website. Idk how i go back in time and prove what was being broadcasted. But im sure that if the poly was lying about what Reuters was broadcasting, im sure that they would have been called out on it by now...


How in the world does a livestream of paris prove Reuters was showing a rally in support of Maduro???

MagicMush123 said:
But i would really appreciate it if you would quit evading and answer why exactly you think that the polygraph is so unreliable and biased but the rt isn't? The polygraph is a website dedicated to fact checking all news, not discrediting rt.


If Reuters didn't show a rally in support of Maduro, then the RT editor was correct and polygraph.info was lying.  It's that simple.

MagicMush123 said:
And fal failed because it didn't matter if Reuters was covering Maduro or guaido. The point was they were posting what was happening in Caracas  :lol:


Of course it matters.  Did you not read the tweet from the RT editor?  She accused Reuters of not showing a rally in support of Maduro.  Did they or didn't they?  If they didn't show that, then she was correct.

Ok, on to round 2...


Are you kidding? She was showing the rally as opposed to a "green boulevard", making it seem as it rt was better than Reuters because they're showing a rally, while Reuters is showing a " non eventful green boulevard " to discredit Reuters... and the polygraphs rebuttal was that Reuters actually was covering Venezuela and their proof was this article 



It didn't matter who's side they were covering, polygraph didn't even mention which side but just mentioned that Caracas was being covered at the time margareta claimed it wasn't.

I wasn't even here to debate you but to see what you thought of the all the fake news in the toolbox. But you wouldn't talk about that and instantly went on the defense, and you wanted to evade and limit the discussion to the poly which i posted. And I only posted it to show that they were accused of fake news as of yesterday.  And you seem to have no answers except for that the poly is an establishment media so therefore its propaganda, even though rt is literally owned and operated by the Russian government  :crazy2:  that's fine that i got sucked into a debate  :lol: although now im curious who balls or enlil agrees with :lol:

Edited by MagicMush123 (05/02/19 05:22 PM)

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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But still. If you had any character or even a backbone you would answer my question which has been evaded twice now

MagicMush123 said:
But i would really appreciate it if you would quit evading and answer why exactly you think that the polygraph is so unreliable and biased but the rt isn't? The polygraph is a website dedicated to fact checking all news, not discrediting rt.


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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
It didn't matter who's side they were covering, polygraph didn't even mention which side but just mentioned that Caracas was being covered at the time margareta claimed it wasn't.


Once again, I ask the judge to review the tweet in question:  https://twitter.com/M_Simonyan/status/1123584864123535363
Quote:
"We show a rally in support of Maduro in Caracas.  Reuters shows a green boulevard."


What point was the RT editor making here?  It's clear to me that her point is that RT covered a large rally in support of Maduro, while Reuters ignored it.

Sure, I understand that Reuters is an establishment media outlet, and they generally won't cover support for Maduro.  But that's exactly the point the RT editor is making.  And yes, the pro-Maduro rally did happen:




MagicMush123 - you get the last word before Balls makes his decision.



Wait - I see you made another post:

MagicMush123 said:
But i would really appreciate it if you would quit evading and answer why exactly you think that the polygraph is so unreliable and biased but the rt isn't? The polygraph is a website dedicated to fact checking all news, not discrediting rt.


I didn't evade.  I already answered your question above:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Polygraph.info is a website produced by funded by Voice of America (VOA)​ and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, which are both American propoganda outlets (this article by The Atlantic is worth a read).
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If Reuters didn't show a rally in support of Maduro, then the RT editor was correct and polygraph.info was lying.  It's that simple.



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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: MagicMush123]
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This thread works best when posting privileges are restricted to 2 participants and a judge.  I don't have the authority to make those restrictions mandatory  but if you guys want to proceed anyway, I'll be happy to act as judge up until such time as it devolves into a shitfest.
If we do this, we'll follow the format, meaning, I'll pretend i havent read any of this and you guys will start from scratch

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Re: RT vs. Last Week Tonight [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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No lasts words i think all my points were made. And agian,  the poly showed that Reuters was actually covering Caracas at the time that it was claimed that they weren't 

So it was being covered :lol:

And again thanks for evading the questioning.

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