The Ecstatic said:

So explain how a nation with better education could possibly have higher median wages than the US.

Could it be there are other factors at play in a global economy than a few knobs and dials to turn?

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The Ecstatic said:

I get why you think it’s that simple: it’s reassuring to believe all we have to do is tweak a couple minor details and the world will turn out just fine. But then again you aren’t much concerned with the world so much as you are with just white majority countries. So there goes that. Even still, you have to know that there are real systemic issues in these white nations beyond “too many immigrants” or “not enough tariffs.” The entire socioeconomic system is a train wreck being held together by imperialism and militarism, and even then we’re falling into disarray. Economy collapses every few years, climate change destroying the ecosystem, even the stable governments are corrupt as hell.

It’s capitalism buddy. Not immigrants. The sooner you and people like you realize that the sooner we can start building a society that doesn’t require the demonization of half the world’s population.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

I get why you think it’s that simple: it’s reassuring to believe all we have to do is tweak a couple minor details and the world will turn out just fine. But then again you aren’t much concerned with the world so much as you are with just white majority countries. So there goes that. Even still, you have to know that there are real systemic issues in these white nations beyond “too many immigrants” or “not enough tariffs.” The entire socioeconomic system is a train wreck being held together by imperialism and militarism, and even then we’re falling into disarray. Economy collapses every few years, climate change destroying the ecosystem, even the stable governments are corrupt as hell.

It’s capitalism buddy. Not immigrants. The sooner you and people like you realize that the sooner we can start building a society that doesn’t require the demonization of half the world’s population.

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I'm about economic nationalism, I make no excuses for that reality. I want to fix income and wealth inequality in the US, not throughout the whole world because it's too much to tackle at this point.

If fixing the US involves tariffs, stopping immigration and  changing the tax structure, so be it.  Myself and Bernie have the same opinions, he's not trying to save the world either, it starts at home.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

I get why you think it’s that simple: it’s reassuring to believe all we have to do is tweak a couple minor details and the world will turn out just fine. But then again you aren’t much concerned with the world so much as you are with just white majority countries. So there goes that. Even still, you have to know that there are real systemic issues in these white nations beyond “too many immigrants” or “not enough tariffs.” The entire socioeconomic system is a train wreck being held together by imperialism and militarism, and even then we’re falling into disarray. Economy collapses every few years, climate change destroying the ecosystem, even the stable governments are corrupt as hell.

It’s capitalism buddy. Not immigrants. The sooner you and people like you realize that the sooner we can start building a society that doesn’t require the demonization of half the world’s population.

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I'm about economic nationalism, I make no excuses for that reality. I want to fix income and wealth inequality in the US, not throughout the whole world because it's too much to tackle at this point.

If fixing the US involves tariffs, stopping immigration and  changing the tax structure, so be it.  Myself and Bernie have the same opinions, he's not trying to save the world either, it starts at home.

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If that’s really your goal then you’d volunteer for Bernie’s campaign, instead of turning this thread, and every other, into a referendum on your thoughts about immigrants.

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Bernie stole my material on immigration, that's not my fault.

qman said:

We already have more educated US citizens than ever before in the US, yet the top 1% have more wealth relative to the bottom 80% in over 80 years. So that proves your thesis is already incorrect.

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That has NOTHING to do with education.  It has mainly to do with lower than ever taxes on the rich and a huge ramp in executive compensation at the expense of workers.

Here's the reality of education's impact on wages (from an old post of mine):

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

We already have more educated US citizens than ever before in the US, yet the top 1% have more wealth relative to the bottom 80% in over 80 years. So that proves your thesis is already incorrect.

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That has NOTHING to do with education.  It has mainly to do with lower than ever taxes on the rich and a huge ramp in executive compensation at the expense of workers.

Here's the reality of education's impact on wages (from an old post of mine):

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Look at the chart.

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christopera said:

So your advocating a population with less education and training? Immigrants for example?

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Shenmue said:

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qman said:

christopera said:

So your advocating a population with less education and training? Immigrants for example?

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No, maybe maintain the same level, I'm advocating what Bernie does on immigration and globalization to fix wealth and income inequality.

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christopera said:

qman said:

christopera said:

So your advocating a population with less education and training? Immigrants for example?

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No, maybe maintain the same level, I'm advocating what Bernie does on immigration and globalization to fix wealth and income inequality.

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Your platform is a sieve, full of holes and dripping dishonesty.

Populations unanimously gain with education, economic benefit is not the only measuring stick.

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qman said:

christopera said:

qman said:

christopera said:

So your advocating a population with less education and training? Immigrants for example?

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No, maybe maintain the same level, I'm advocating what Bernie does on immigration and globalization to fix wealth and income inequality.

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Your platform is a sieve, full of holes and dripping dishonesty.

Populations unanimously gain with education, economic benefit is not the only measuring stick.

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So there's no such thing as an over-investment in education that provides a negative return on investment? 

Do factory workers need 4-6 years of higher education or on the job training if the company desperately needs them? 

https://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/law-schools-agree-there-are-too-many-law-schools/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/28/law-schools-hunkering-down-enrollment-slips/430213001/

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qman said:

christopera said:

qman said:

christopera said:

So your advocating a population with less education and training? Immigrants for example?

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No, maybe maintain the same level, I'm advocating what Bernie does on immigration and globalization to fix wealth and income inequality.

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Your platform is a sieve, full of holes and dripping dishonesty.

Populations unanimously gain with education, economic benefit is not the only measuring stick.

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So there's no such thing as an over-investment in education that provides a negative return on investment? 

Do factory workers need 4-6 years of higher education or on the job training if the company desperately needs them? 

https://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/law-schools-agree-there-are-too-many-law-schools/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/28/law-schools-hunkering-down-enrollment-slips/430213001/

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ballsalsa said:

A better educated populace pays off in other ways.  Trump loves the poorly educated.

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