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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott]
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Great Scott said:
I'm saying now that Obama (undercover Christian persecutor) is gone, maybe the focus and attention of our refugee sympathies can be extended beyond just peaceful Shiites.


I really must know what you are talking about. Obama is a Christian. Please tell me how he persecuted Christians. (War on xmas aside :smirk: )


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Great Scott said:
I'm saying now that Obama (undercover Christian persecutor) is gone, maybe the focus and attention of our refugee sympathies can be extended beyond just peaceful Shiites.


I really must know what you are talking about. Obama is a Christian. Please tell me how he persecuted Christians. (War on xmas aside :smirk: )


I'm not convinced that he is. Just like I'm not convinced that a lot of priests are either. Church memberships, lol.


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott]
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You have a reality problem


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Great Scott]
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Great Scott said:
I'm not convinced that he is. Just like I'm not convinced that a lot of priests are either. Church memberships, lol.


Clearly many pastors are not religious:





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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/29/dc-antifa-leader-arrested-job-felonies/

https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/29/antifa-leader-marines-arrested/

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-29/3rd-dc-antifa-arrested-charged-multiple-felonies-ethnic-intimidation-attack-latino

"Alcoff faces 17 charges... including ethnic intimidation"

Oh the irony.

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
SirTripAlot said:
How about the severity, of such? Clearly, the "slave labour"(the limey spelling) of today, is not identical to the past Jim Crow slave labor(USA spelling). There are serious issues with race still though. Where on the scale?


It is not as severe, but American prisons are quite harsh. As many as 20% of prisoners in American prisons are raped or coerced into sex, and 20% of prison rapes are committed by the guards.

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In a survey of 1,788 male inmates in Midwestern prisons by Prison Journal, about 21% claimed they had been coerced or pressured into sexual activity during their incarceration, and 7% claimed that they had been raped in their current facility.


American prisoners can be forced to work for pennies an hour. Prison conditions in America are pretty terrible, actually.


Do you have a source for 20% of prisoners were raped by prison guards?
Bigbadwooof said:
SirTripAlot said:
Dude, throughout human history the military is used to remain on top. Not arguing whats right, but.... it's a  reality. It's not by chance, that wars are waged for economic purposes.


We agree there are cracks in the pillars of our society.


The military is a means to remain at the top, but what good is it to be at the top if you have lower education standards, higher infant mortality, less personal liberty/mass incarceration, government surveillance, higher poverty rates, lower minimum wage, less healthcare coverage, shorter life expectancy, and vastly more individual debt than much of the world?

That's not the top.

Much of Europe provides all of their citizens with government funded public college, and healthcare. That, coupled with higher minimum wage, provides a higher quality of life. They have fewer people in prison, and their happiness index is much higher.

Shouldn't quality of life be measured before military might?

And sure, we have the highest GDP (for now, or maybe china has surpassed us, either way, they will soon enough), but we also have the highest wealth inequality in the western world, so most of us don't see that wealth.


Yea comparing Europe to the states isnt even close to "much of the world". And Americans dont have that much personal debt compared to Canada or Europe.
And regarding wealth inequality. If your country is collectively rich it raises your standard of living.  For example poor Americans are better off than poor Chinese. I know wealth inequality sucks, but its still better than living in some poor shithole country where you are ALL collectively poor. Poor Americans are richer than poor x in most cases around the world

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
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Poor Americans are poorer than the poor in other first world countries


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: koods] * 1
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And richer than most of the people on the planet


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Do you have a source for 20% of prisoners were raped by prison guards?


I was looking for a source, and stumbled across this study, that suggests that prison guards commit more rape than prisoners. Female prisoners are a lot more inclined to report rape/sexual misconduct, but I think that is due to shame, for male prisoners. I don't believe the rates are actually less, and other studies show rates higher than these.

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These rates, based on averaging, mask considerable variation among prisons housing men. The literature clearly demonstrates that prison environments are heterogeneous.28,43 Our research is consistent with this literature. An individual's risk of sexual victimization is not equivalent across prisons even within a single prison system. Depending on facility, a male inmate might be housed in a prison where the risk of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization is as high as 6.4% or as low as 3.0%. Likewise, he might be in a facility where the risk of sexual victimization by a staff person ranges from 3.7 to 11.8% . More research is needed to identify the factors that predict variation in risk across male facilities.

... Sexual victimization rates in the female facility were significantly higher than those for male facilities, especially with respect to abusive sexual contact between inmates. On average, 21.2% of female inmates reported experiencing some form of sexual victimization by other inmates, while 7.6% reported experiencing that behavior by staff. Nonconsensual sex acts were reported at considerably lower rates, with 3.2% of inmates reporting a sexual assault by an inmate over a 6-month period and 1.7% by a staff member. The percent of inmate-on-inmate rape is over ten times higher than rape rates of adult women in the total population, and the rate for staff perpetrated rape is almost six times higher.



Bigbadwooof said:
Yea comparing Europe to the states isnt even close to "much of the world". And Americans dont have that much personal debt compared to Canada or Europe.


Europe isn't much of the world? I beg to differ.

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And regarding wealth inequality. If your country is collectively rich it raises your standard of living.  For example poor Americans are better off than poor Chinese. I know wealth inequality sucks, but its still better than living in some poor shithole country where you are ALL collectively poor. Poor Americans are richer than poor x in most cases around the world


Have you seen the statistics on the effects that wealth inequality has on a society? Wealth inequality increases the incidence of mental illness, violent crime, corruption, suicide, all kinds of things. I can look up some studies if you are interested. It's worth looking into, because the problem isn't the direct result of lack of wealth.


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Every one of you should see this video.
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (01/29/19 10:37 PM)

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
And richer than most of the people on the planet


That's becoming less and less true with every passing year. I feel like you're suggesting that Americans should just settle for less, because there are poorer countries that have less. I don't see you settling.


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Every one of you should see this video.
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
MagicMush123 said:
Do you have a source for 20% of prisoners were raped by prison guards?


I was looking for a source, and stumbled across this study, that suggests that prison guards commit more rape than prisoners. Female prisoners are a lot more inclined to report rape/sexual misconduct, but I think that is due to shame, for male prisoners. I don't believe the rates are actually less, and other studies show rates higher than these.

Quote:
These rates, based on averaging, mask considerable variation among prisons housing men. The literature clearly demonstrates that prison environments are heterogeneous.28,43 Our research is consistent with this literature. An individual's risk of sexual victimization is not equivalent across prisons even within a single prison system. Depending on facility, a male inmate might be housed in a prison where the risk of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization is as high as 6.4% or as low as 3.0%. Likewise, he might be in a facility where the risk of sexual victimization by a staff person ranges from 3.7 to 11.8% . More research is needed to identify the factors that predict variation in risk across male facilities.

... Sexual victimization rates in the female facility were significantly higher than those for male facilities, especially with respect to abusive sexual contact between inmates. On average, 21.2% of female inmates reported experiencing some form of sexual victimization by other inmates, while 7.6% reported experiencing that behavior by staff. Nonconsensual sex acts were reported at considerably lower rates, with 3.2% of inmates reporting a sexual assault by an inmate over a 6-month period and 1.7% by a staff member. The percent of inmate-on-inmate rape is over ten times higher than rape rates of adult women in the total population, and the rate for staff perpetrated rape is almost six times higher.



Bigbadwooof said:
Yea comparing Europe to the states isnt even close to "much of the world". And Americans dont have that much personal debt compared to Canada or Europe.


Europe isn't much of the world? I beg to differ.

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And regarding wealth inequality. If your country is collectively rich it raises your standard of living.  For example poor Americans are better off than poor Chinese. I know wealth inequality sucks, but its still better than living in some poor shithole country where you are ALL collectively poor. Poor Americans are richer than poor x in most cases around the world


Have you seen the statistics on the effects that wealth inequality has on a society? Wealth inequality increases the incidence of mental illness, violent crime, corruption, suicide, all kinds of things. I can look up some studies if you are interested. It's worth looking into, because the problem isn't the direct result of lack of wealth.


Oh ok cool. Thanks, i was just thinking 20% seemed alarmingly high.

Europe isn't even as big as the states. Some european countries are smaller than us states...

And i don't know the studies, but i believe what you say. Wealth inequality is a global issue, it isn't an American issue. Was just trying to give some perspective because as much as it sucks it could be worse. But im not trying to down play it, just saying it could be worse

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
Oh ok cool. Thanks, i was just thinking 20% seemed alarmingly high.


Yes, it is alarmingly high, but according to that study, the actual number is much higher. I was just rereading the entry I quoted to you. It says:

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Depending on facility, a male inmate might be housed in a prison where the risk of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization is as high as 6.4% or as low as 3.0%. Likewise, he might be in a facility where the risk of sexual victimization by a staff person ranges from 3.7 to 11.8%


So, if you look at the high end, you see that in-mate-on-inmate rates are 6.4, and staff-on-inmate rates go as high as 11.8%. Combined that gives you 18.2% (Of inmates being sexually victimized).

So, if you divide 11.8 by 18.2 that gives you a high end of about 65%. On the extreme end, you can extrapolate that up to 65% (of the 18.2% total prison rapes) are committed by staff. This is male prisons, of course. In female prisons the rates are different.

If we were to look at the low end, 3.7% staff-on-inmate and 3% inmate-on-inmate, then it's still over 45% committed by staff.

By the most conservative estimate, you have 6.4% inmate on inmate, and 3.7% staff on inmate, which gives you 36%, according to this study.

I suppose these aren't necessarily all rapes. Some of them are coerced sexual acts. Acts that are carried out, because of threats, etc., but not outright rape.

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Europe isn't even as big as the states. Some european countries are smaller than us states...


No it's not. The surface area of Europe is 3.931 million mi², and the surface area of the US is 3.797M mi².

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And i don't know the studies, but i believe what you say. Wealth inequality is a global issue, it isn't an American issue. Was just trying to give some perspective because as much as it sucks it could be worse. But im not trying to down play it, just saying it could be worse


I understand. Personally, I don't think it can get too much worse, before it causes a depression.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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You can't really go by pure area because Greenland is so large yet has almost no population. But either way when your country is the size of a single us state, its easier to manage

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
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Its easier to annex too


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
SirTripAlot said:
We have managed to be on top, for along time....this by happenstance?


How are we on top?

I'll post this clip again, because I think it's been glossed over.



Having the most powerful military in the world doesn't make us the 'top'. We have lots of problems.


Great video.  The first step to getting back on top is to realize we aren't on top anymore.


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
You can't really go by pure area because Greenland is so large yet has almost no population. But either way when your country is the size of a single us state, its easier to manage


What about Alaska, Montana, and Nebraska?

Australia has all of the things Europe has, so lets add another continent for shits and gigs. It's roughly the same size as the US, btw.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Great video.  The first step to getting back on top is to realize we aren't on top anymore.


For all the 'MAGA' hats, you'd think some of these folks would understand that America isn't as great as it once was in many respects. How are you going to make it great again, if it's already great?


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Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
MagicMush123 said:
You can't really go by pure area because Greenland is so large yet has almost no population. But either way when your country is the size of a single us state, its easier to manage


What about Alaska, Montana, and Nebraska?

Australia has all of the things Europe has, so lets add another continent for shits and gigs. It's roughly the same size as the US, btw.


Either way. When you have a country as vast and as diverse as America is, it makes it significantly harder to run.

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Bigbadwooof said:
SirTripAlot said:
We have managed to be on top, for along time....this by happenstance?


How are we on top?

I'll post this clip again, because I think it's been glossed over.



Having the most powerful military in the world doesn't make us the 'top'. We have lots of problems.


Great video.  The first step to getting back on top is to realize we aren't on top anymore.


Who is in the lead, then? 60% of transactions(banking, commerce) include the US dollar as the reserve currency. Of course, there is a decline. If it  declines too much, an old fashioned war will get us back on track.

Edited by SirTripAlot (01/30/19 08:14 AM)

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Re: Humans of the Left Are Delusional [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
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Who the fuck cares about the reserve currency? If you polled 100 people I bet less than 5% could even tell you what that means, never mind why it helps them personally. But when you look at it economically, most Americans don't even want to be the reserve currency, this despite not even knowing what it means. That's because most Americans want the trade deficit to shrink, and if that happened in a significant way there wouldn't be enough of the dollar sent abroad for it be held in reserve.


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