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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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BANANA.MAN said:
the constitution says you have to be born in the united states AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof. this was mainly to protect the tribal soverenty of native americans. so that if they were born in the usa the laws of the usa couldnt be forced upon them. if someone is a tourist or an illegal immigrant in the usa, they are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country and their children shouldnt be automatically given citizenship.

the way i look at it is if someone is a legal resident then sure their children can be citizens. but i dont think citizenship should be granted to the children of tourists or peopsle who entered the country illegally. maybe you arent a citizen yet but if you have a work visa and job and are working toward citizenship then fine.


It's been abused for decades in the US, that's why almost every developed nation got rid of their birthright citizenship many years ago.  Only the US and Canada are the big suckers today.

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
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If illegals werent subject to the jurisdiction of the u.s. then there wouldnt
be so many of them in our prison system.

According to the DOJ over a quarter of all prisoners are illegal.


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
BANANA.MAN said:
the constitution says you have to be born in the united states AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof. this was mainly to protect the tribal soverenty of native americans. so that if they were born in the usa the laws of the usa couldnt be forced upon them. if someone is a tourist or an illegal immigrant in the usa, they are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country and their children shouldnt be automatically given citizenship.

the way i look at it is if someone is a legal resident then sure their children can be citizens. but i dont think citizenship should be granted to the children of tourists or peopsle who entered the country illegally. maybe you arent a citizen yet but if you have a work visa and job and are working toward citizenship then fine.


It's been abused for decades in the US, that's why almost every developed nation got rid of their birthright citizenship many years ago.  Only the US and Canada are the big suckers today.


Leave their rights alone just like you want your rights preserved. Don’t be a hypocrite


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: natedawgnow]
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Tourists are definitely subject to the jurisdiction of the u.s.

if a tourist breaks a law they are punished by our standards.

Ever seen locked up abroad?


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said:
Tourists are definitely subject to the jurisdiction of the u.s.

if a tourist breaks a law they are punished by our standards.

Ever seen locked up abroad?


Laughable, comparing citizenship requirements and disobeying US laws.

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: qman] * 2
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We should let the federal government decide who the Constitution applies to.

- small government conservatives


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: qman] * 1
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I dont know whats laughable, I was replying to this quote by banana man

BANANA.MAN said:
the constitution says you have to be born in the united states AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof. this was mainly to protect the tribal soverenty of native americans. so that if they were born in the usa the laws of the usa couldnt be forced upon them. if someone is a tourist or an illegal immigrant in the usa, they are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country and their children shouldnt be automatically given citizenship.

the way i look at it is if someone is a legal resident then sure their children can be citizens. but i dont think citizenship should be granted to the children of tourists or peopsle who entered the country illegally. maybe you arent a citizen yet but if you have a work visa and job and are working toward citizenship then fine.


he apparently doesnt understand what jurisdiction means and doesnt know that
tourists and illegals are both subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.

ju·ris·dic·tion
noun
1.the official power to make legal decisions and judgments.
synonyms:authority, control, power, dominion, rule, administration, command, sway, leadership, sovereignty, hegemony
2. the extent of the power to make legal decisions and judgments.
"the claim will be within the jurisdiction of the industrial tribunal"
3. a system of law courts; a judicature.

Illegals are subject to our laws and the governments authority and so are tourists

Any person in the us is subject to the jurisdiction thereof
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/515.329


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: natedawgnow]
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natedawgnow said:
Illegals are subject to our laws


I know you are probably going to call me stupid, however I really want to know.  Why are illegals subject to US laws?  Shouldn't they be subject to the laws of their original country?

Also, if tourists are subject to US laws as well, how come ambassadors and their children aren't?

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
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BANANA.MAN said:
the constitution says you have to be born in the united states AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof. this was mainly to protect the tribal soverenty of native americans. so that if they were born in the usa the laws of the usa couldnt be forced upon them. if someone is a tourist or an illegal immigrant in the usa, they are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country and their children shouldnt be automatically given citizenship.

the way i look at it is if someone is a legal resident then sure their children can be citizens. but i dont think citizenship should be granted to the children of tourists or peopsle who entered the country illegally. maybe you arent a citizen yet but if you have a work visa and job and are working toward citizenship then fine.


Lol a Canadian explaining to Americans why foreigners shouldn’t get birthright citizenship.

While the citizenship of former slaves and their children were the reason the birthright granted, that period was when there was a push to colonize the rest of the American territory, and back then there wasn’t really any concept of illegal immigration. There were no visas to speak of. People just showed up and they were let in. The government wanted to make sure their children would be full participants in the country.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: TinyBee] * 1
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TinyBee said:
natedawgnow said:
Illegals are subject to our laws


I know you are probably going to call me stupid, however I really want to know.  Why are illegals subject to US laws?  Shouldn't they be subject to the laws of their original country?

Also, if tourists are subject to US laws as well, how come ambassadors and their children aren't?


Can we arrest illegals inside the US? If so, then by definition they are subject to our jurisdiction. If they weren’t they would be immune from prosecution for crime. Diplomats have immunity and therefore they are not subject. In practice, nobody blocks citizenship for diplomatic children. A US birth certificate is sufficient proof of citizenship.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (11/12/18 06:44 PM)

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: koods]
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Diplomatic immunity only applies to rich arab nationalists. Not desperate refugees.


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: koods] * 1
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I already stated multiple reasons why. Because they are subject to our laws
and because they are here period. If your feet are on u.s. soil you are subject to
its jurisdiction as pointed out by the link in my last post.

Ambassadors dont count because they are here as a rep of their country and might as well be seen
as that country.


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: koods]
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koods said:
TinyBee said:
natedawgnow said:
Illegals are subject to our laws


I know you are probably going to call me stupid, however I really want to know.  Why are illegals subject to US laws?  Shouldn't they be subject to the laws of their original country?

Also, if tourists are subject to US laws as well, how come ambassadors and their children aren't?


Can we arrest illegals inside the US? If so, then by definition they are subject to our jurisdiction. If they weren’t they would be immune from prosecution for crime.


So, if an ambassador's child breaks a law inside the US, he can also be arrested.  According to your criterion, this means he is subject to US' jurisdiction.  And if this is true, then he should automatically be granted US citizenship (assuming he was born on US soil) but he is not.

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: natedawgnow]
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Explain how a baby born in America is subject to a different nation’s laws


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I banged a dude from South America recently who has diplomatic immunity. He could have killed me if he wanted.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
I banged a dude from South America recently who has diplomatic immunity. He could have killed me if he wanted.


That’s hot


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: TinyBee]
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TinyBee said:
koods said:
TinyBee said:
natedawgnow said:
Illegals are subject to our laws


I know you are probably going to call me stupid, however I really want to know.  Why are illegals subject to US laws?  Shouldn't they be subject to the laws of their original country?

Also, if tourists are subject to US laws as well, how come ambassadors and their children aren't?


Can we arrest illegals inside the US? If so, then by definition they are subject to our jurisdiction. If they weren’t they would be immune from prosecution for crime.


So, if an ambassador's child breaks a law inside the US, he can also be arrested.  According to your criterion, this means he is subject to US' jurisdiction.  And if this is true, then he should automatically be granted US citizenship (assuming he was born on US soil) but he is not.


If the child is a us citizen, then immunity would not apply. The family of immune diplomats also have immunity under normal circumstances.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: koods]
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koods said:
If the child is a us citizen, then immunity would not apply. The family of immune diplomats also have immunity under normal circumstances.


I am not talking about crime and punishment.  My point is that an ambassador's child is technically subject to US' jurisdiction yet he does not get automatic citizenship.  Why is this?

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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: TinyBee]
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Because he or she is a citizen of another country. Pretty simple.


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Re: Birthright citizenship [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Explain how a baby born in America is subject to a different nation’s laws


I never said that. But if you break the law in indonesia by smoking a joint
then you best be ready to spend 50 years in their prison system.


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