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Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' * 4
    #23879363 - 11/29/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail'

Now that's scary.  Flag burning is free speech, protected by the First Amendment.  Even Justice Antonin Scalia agrees with that (Texas v. Johnson).

But what's worse is that this is a first step towards silencing dissenters.

Let's hope Trump never pushes this.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23879432 - 11/29/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail'

Now that's scary.  Flag burning is free speech, protected by the First Amendment.  Even Justice Antonin Scalia agrees with that (Texas v. Johnson).

But what's worse is that this is a first step towards silencing dissenters.

Let's hope Trump never pushes this.




Are liberals unable to "dissent" without acting like compete fucking assholes?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 7
    #23879484 - 11/29/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What do you do with someone if you strip them of their citizenship ? It's not like you can force another country to take them .  Lol , you burned a flag your a Mexican now get your ass on the otherside of my wall that I'm going to make  your pay for .
Donald trump is constitutionally retarted , like half the people who voted for him .


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #23879743 - 11/29/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So very very stupid


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23879765 - 11/29/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Are liberals unable to "dissent" without acting like compete fucking assholes?



So... you're in favor of this???  :wtf:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23879852 - 11/29/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail'

Now that's scary.  Flag burning is free speech, protected by the First Amendment.  Even Justice Antonin Scalia agrees with that (Texas v. Johnson).

But what's worse is that this is a first step towards silencing dissenters.

Let's hope Trump never pushes this.




Well, it will be tough for the liberals to riot if they are deported or jailed for flag burning.

Criminals gonna criminal.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: finalexplosion] * 1
    #23879891 - 11/29/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So... you're in favor of this???  :wtf:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23879892 - 11/29/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The supreme court has already decided this issue in the Texas v. Johnson decision.

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Held: Johnson's conviction for flag desecration is inconsistent with the First Amendment. Pp. 402-420.




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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Skellies]
    #23879915 - 11/29/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The Supreme Court also once upheld slavery, so it's no surprise that democrats would use that to justify flag burning terrorism as well


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23879987 - 11/29/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump is creating political rhetoric to enhance nationalism, that's his ultimate goal at the moment.

What people need to get accustomed with is that Trump is NOT a typical modern day Western politician, he's using different tactics to accomplish unique goals.

If people take everything he says seriously, they're going to have tons of ulcers and migraines.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23880096 - 11/29/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, it will be tough for the liberals to riot if they are deported or jailed for flag burning.

Criminals gonna criminal.



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The Supreme Court also once upheld slavery, so it's no surprise that democrats would use that to justify flag burning terrorism as well



I guess you're both not familiar with the concept of free speech.  Not one country in the world forbids polite speech.  Freedom of speech is about allowing impolite speech, such as flag burning.

Both of you now admit you favor politically correct speech over free speech and the constitution.

I find it quite amazing what Trump is doing to people.

At least qman hasn't opened his ass cheeks wide for lil'dick yet.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23880113 - 11/29/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Both of you now admit you favor politically correct speech




Since when have the left not supported limits on speech, they want to get Rush off the air, they campaign to shut down conservative opinion every chance they get

***and no, terrorizing people with incendiary displays shouldn't be protected


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #23880153 - 11/29/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Here's my take on the whole thing.
The tweet was a strategic move made in order to goad the most rabid Trump haters to burn flags in defiance.  Since most Americans are opposed to flag burning(including the ones who think you should still have the right), this will make the anti-trump protesters etc. look less legitimate, and able to garner less support from the general public.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23880168 - 11/29/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Here's my take on the whole thing.
The tweet was a strategic move made in order to goad the most rabid Trump haters to burn flags in defiance.  Since most Americans are opposed to flag burning(including the ones who think you should still have the right), this will make the anti-trump protesters etc. look less legitimate, and able to garner less support from the general public.




A good question is why do these fucking idiots have any support at all? The elections over, they lost


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23880187 - 11/29/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

ballsalsa said:
Here's my take on the whole thing.
The tweet was a strategic move made in order to goad the most rabid Trump haters to burn flags in defiance.  Since most Americans are opposed to flag burning(including the ones who think you should still have the right), this will make the anti-trump protesters etc. look less legitimate, and able to garner less support from the general public.




A good question is why do these fucking idiots have any support at all? The elections over, they lost




probably because those idiots make up the majority of counted voters, and they are relying on being able to mount robust opposition to the right-wing shitstorm that everyone is expecting.  Don't worry, there will be more elections to come.  midterms come up all too quickly.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
    #23880316 - 11/29/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Both of you now admit you favor politically correct speech over free speech and the constitution.




Since when have the left not supported limits on speech, they want to get Rush off the air, they campaign to shut down conservative opinion every chance they get



Wow, you actually admit that you favor political correctness over the constitution and you double down defending that position because one or two liberals wanted to shut down Rush Limbaugh.

Stop cherry picking some stupid liberals - no one here wants to shut down Rush or free speech (though a lot of people dislike him).

The fact that you and finalexplosion are OK with shutting down free speech is frightening.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23880506 - 11/30/16 02:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Gosh darn it now I cant burn flags to make a statement!


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880514 - 11/30/16 02:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So... you're ok with this too???  :wtf:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23880521 - 11/30/16 02:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:jimmies:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880523 - 11/30/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I put my money on this never becoming a law and this post just being about a remark Trump said.

Until it is in law , go burn flags and get it our of your system if you need to ..:rolleyes:

It wont happen anyways, if it does - oh boy were in for a hell of a 4 year run.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880556 - 11/30/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

just wondering - do you think something so absurd would actually be made law now? (in regards to the flag)


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880562 - 11/30/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Trump is a huge unknown.  I doubt he'd try to do that, but given that people (even here on the political forum) are already falling in line, he just might think about it.  :shrug:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23880568 - 11/30/16 03:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

True.  We'll wait and see and learn.  I just wish they would stop the damn wars over seas and spend some of that ( our tax money )  on our own country.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880631 - 11/30/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh supposedly this whole thing is Trump trolling hillary clinton for something she voted for a while back?  lolz.  dont quote me, but yea.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23880639 - 11/30/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

and you fell for it.  in 05' Hillary voted for the same thing with an added 100k fine.  so he's doing this to make a point when the media and the left start attacking him, hes going to turn it around and show how they are hypocrites to buffer his stance.  ha, this whole thing is retarded on ALL sides.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass] * 4
    #23880828 - 11/30/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You are an idiot if you think thats Trump's plan.


Also, no one on this subforum likes Hillary, supports Hillary, or admires her short time as a legislator.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23881046 - 11/30/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think Trump has any plans that he shares with the public. Spouting that shit was just childish, the words of an overindulged juvenile. To have faith in Trump is a meta faith, you have to believe that what you think he is saying, is what he means and have faith that he won't abandon what you think he's saying when it becomes difficult.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: falcon] * 5
    #23881062 - 11/30/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Seems to me that for Trump supporters, whatever he says that they agree with is "him telling it like it is," and everything he says that they dont agree with is part of some ulterior motive and master plan to outfox the liberal media.

Give me a break.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23881114 - 11/30/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: Yeah, he's a moderator in a large focus group, his contribution is spit-balling.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: falcon] * 1
    #23881361 - 11/30/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think Trump has any plans that he shares with the public. Spouting that shit was just childish, the words of an overindulged juvenile. To have faith in Trump is a meta faith, you have to believe that what you think he is saying, is what he means and have faith that he won't abandon what you think he's saying when it becomes difficult.





I don't think he has any 'Plans' other than to 'Drain the Swamp' and 'Take a bat to DC'. All these people he's hiring that dislike the agency to which they are hired to run and beat it into they agency they want to see, won't work. 'To every complicated problem there is a simple solution, that doesn't work'. He going to run DC into the ground and in the process fuck the whole country. That much change all at once will not work and we will still be suck with the same IRS, Big Banks, etc...  Get the money out of politics, that's where the peoples problem is.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54] * 2
    #23882549 - 11/30/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Once you recognize Trump is baiting his opposition to burn American flags, the next logical step is to burn Confederate flags and bait him and his goons into defending the Stars and Bars

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/24/woman-facing-charges-after-burning-confederate-flag-in-manitou-springs/


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
    #23886065 - 12/01/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I have no opinion on the issue of what people should be legally allowed to do with an American flag but I do have an opinion on the definition of words. Speech is words that come out of a persons mouth. The amendment that protects free speech also protects freedom of the press, press freedom relates to words people write down. So the first amendment protects peoples right to free expression when it comes to spoken and written words.

Again I have no opinion on what the law should be on the flag issue but this whole notion that actions involving the flag are somehow "speech" are a distortion of the meaning of the word speech. If the word speech in the first amendment wasn't written to have a precise meaning then they would not have included press freedom in the amendment. If speech could be expanded to mean all sorts of things then why bother mentioning the press(written word)?

Speech clearly means spoken words. Press refers to written words. All this stuff with the flag is a separate issue and I don't care what happens either way with the whole flag issue.

If speech meant more than spoken words then the amendment would not have also mentioned freedom of the press.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: lines] * 1
    #23886076 - 12/01/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

what about sign language?

or pictographs?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23886233 - 12/01/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Pictographs are a form of writing and sign language is a form of speech. Doing things to flag is not speech.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23886240 - 12/01/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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what about sign language?





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    #23886355 - 12/02/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Pictographs are a form of writing and sign language is a form of speech. Doing things to flag is not speech.




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Speech is words that come out of a persons mouth. The amendment that protects free speech also protects freedom of the press, press freedom relates to words people write down. So the first amendment protects peoples right to free expression when it comes to spoken and written words.


Speech clearly means spoken words. Press refers to written words.

If speech meant more than spoken words then the amendment would not have also mentioned freedom of the press.




I agree, sign language is a form of speech, though it does not meet your definition, as it is not spoken.
Pictographs are speech too, though they are proto-writing at best and they are not written depiction of words, but rather, drawn depictions of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictogram
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Pictographs can be considered an art form, or can be considered a written language and are designated as such in Pre-Columbian art, Native American art, Ancient Mesopotamia and Painting in the Americas before Colonization. One example of many is the Rock art of the Chumash people, part of the Native American history of California. In 2011, UNESCO's World Heritage List added "Petroglyph Complexes of the Mongolian Altai, Mongolia"[2] to celebrate the importance of the pictograms engraved in rocks.




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    #23886843 - 12/02/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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doing things to flag is not speech.






    What about smoke signals , made by burning a pile of  American flags ? That would be considered speech right ?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: lines]
    #23887094 - 12/02/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your argument makes sense, but is at odds with centuries of Supreme Court precedent. Now even corporate political donations are speech...


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
    #23887137 - 12/02/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Corporations are people, my friend.


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    #23887339 - 12/02/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Or to put it more accurately... corporations are taxpayers.

Do the words... 'no taxation without representation' ring a bell for you?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 3
    #23887346 - 12/02/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.


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    #23887587 - 12/02/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Juveniles, felons, tariffs, workers on a visa. That no taxation without representation was a slogan, a rallying point for people, living breathing people. It isn't a law, it isn't a good reason to not limit corporate representation. If you're going to site no taxation without representation as something that rings a bell, you'd better spell out why the peeling is limited in other instances.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23887798 - 12/02/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.




It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.

You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23888342 - 12/02/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Or to put it more accurately... corporations are taxpayers.

Do the words... 'no taxation without representation' ring a bell for you?




If it were up to progressives and their buddies, they'd tax us all into poverty

Did ya hear what Bernice recently said about Trump saving jobs?



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    #23888772 - 12/02/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why wouldn't they?

Carrier got a sweetheart deal, lil'dick fucked up and more will follow.

Lil'dick has shown his hand, with Mexico and the Wall and now with Carrier.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
    #23888838 - 12/02/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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sweeper54 said:Carrier got a sweetheart deal, lil'dick fucked up and more will follow.




Carrier didn't get shit. POTUS isn't able to grant tax breaks by fiat. And off all people, Sarah Palin condemns the idea as "crony capitalism" http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-trumps-carrier-deal-crony-capitalism/story?id=43940137
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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
    #23889135 - 12/02/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why wouldn't they?

Carrier got a sweetheart deal, lil'dick fucked up and more will follow.

Lil'dick has shown his hand, with Mexico and the Wall and now with Carrier.

WEAK.



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sweeper54 said:Carrier got a sweetheart deal, lil'dick fucked up and more will follow.




Carrier didn't get shit. POTUS isn't able to grant tax breaks by fiat. And off all people, Sarah Palin condemns the idea as "crony capitalism" http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-trumps-carrier-deal-crony-capitalism/story?id=43940137
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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23889465 - 12/03/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm glad Trump managed to save 1,000 jobs. I anticipate when he introduces it to congress and wish it all the best of luck.

Besides the point, I'm no liberal.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23889979 - 12/03/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.




It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.

You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.




We tax whatever we want and give speech wherever we deem appropriate.

That explicit ban on taxing income didnt last too long, did it.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23890571 - 12/03/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.

You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.




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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23890710 - 12/03/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.

You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.







Progressives love to tax anything that moves or breathes and would love to silence any and all dissent,


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23890885 - 12/03/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Progressives love to tax anything that moves or breathes and would love to silence any and all dissent,



No - progressives want higher taxes on the rich so the middle and poor don't have to shoulder as much burden.  You knew that, but you love your straw man arguments.

As for silencing free speech, Trump is the one who's threatening free speech (see the topic of this thread), and progressives are the ones who are against that.  You knew that, but you love your straw man arguments.

You should change your sig to "They call me the straw man God because I love to make everything up!"  You're back on ignore for not debating honestly.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23891539 - 12/03/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.





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    #23891576 - 12/03/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.

You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.







Progressives love to tax anything that moves or breathes and would love to silence any and all dissent,



You can burn a flag as you are a free American . Trump would put you in jail for this?


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    #23891892 - 12/03/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The Twitterer in Chief would want to burn anyone who burned the flag.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23892053 - 12/03/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.





K good luck with thinking that.




Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?


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    #23892829 - 12/04/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like your sig, sweeper.

i agree what trump is doing is scary, its even scarier how many people are so ready to follow whatever bullshit he unleashes. I partly think he does these things to test the water, wind people up and to normalise the incoming status quo. (super interesting hypernormalisation documentary)


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    #23893011 - 12/04/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You want to see frustration. Wait until the Twitterer In Chief, TIC, takes office and the Secret Service takes his phone and cuts off his Twitter account. Head explodes in five, four, three...


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i want him to accidentally tweet some classified material :lol:


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    #23893073 - 12/04/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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The Ecstatic said:
luvdemshrooms said:
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It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court.





K good luck with thinking that.




Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?




You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.

Like it or not, it is up to them. Sometimes theyre wrong, they often change their minds, but what they say goes. Supreme et al...


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
    #23893253 - 12/04/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly, I remember being real upset when the secret service took away his Twitter and personal blackBerry, I can only assume we are in for a big Trump tantrum/total change in protocol


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23893845 - 12/04/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.




There's no gray area unless you want there to be one.

Crumist:  Your argument makes sense, but is at odds with centuries of Supreme Court precedent. Now even corporate political donations are speech...
You: Corporations are people, my friend.
Me: Or to put it more accurately... corporations are taxpayers. Do the words... 'no taxation without representation' ring a bell for you?
You: Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.
Me: It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court. You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.
You: K good luck with thinking that.
Me: Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?
You: You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.
Me: The preceeding

The point is once again that your partisanship stuck it to you. All those responses had to take place before you finally came back to where you should have been to start. The Supreme Court says corporations have the right.

Your attempt to be 'clever' merely displayed your partisanship while simultaneously beclowning yourself.

Clear enough for you now?


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    #23894002 - 12/04/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Supreme Court also once upheld slavery, so it's no surprise that democrats would use that to justify flag burning terrorism as well




Terrorism? Quit using loaded terms to describe something completely unrelated. Who the fuck is flag burning directly harming? You realize you're the exact same as the hyper PC left with your hyper obsessive patriotism, correct?

"OMG I'm so offended, how dare you offend me, you deserve to go to jail for a year or lose your citizenship for offending me"

Burning flags is not an appropriate or "right" thing to do, but that's not the fucking point. The world doesn't revolve around your sense of righteousness. The point is whether or not it is harming anyone, and therefore justifiably *criminal*. The point is whether or not you think everyone else should have to pay to strip these people or their freedom and keep these people in jail just for burning a flag strictly to appease a justice boner.

Meanwhile issues of actual existential threats to our nation and planet go completely unignored due to the obsession over trivial exercises of self-righteousness. There's not enough fucks to give to go around overjudiciating every issue that barely effects anyone. That's the approach of a fascist or absolutist, not a leader of a democratic nation.

If people can burn trash, why can't they burn the flag? What exactly is the criminal difference if it is their own property? It's pretty sad how readily some people would have the freedom of their fellow citizens taken away, regardless of how absurd they think their behavior is which isn't directly infringing upon them.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23894063 - 12/04/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.




There's no gray area unless you want there to be one.

Crumist:  Your argument makes sense, but is at odds with centuries of Supreme Court precedent. Now even corporate political donations are speech...
You: Corporations are people, my friend.
Me: Or to put it more accurately... corporations are taxpayers. Do the words... 'no taxation without representation' ring a bell for you?
You: Yeah its in the Declaration of Independence right after the bit about life, liberty, and the pursuit of quarterly profits.
Me: It doesn't need to be according to the Supreme Court. You don't tax without giving the taxee a voice, even though you wish it to be that way.
You: K good luck with thinking that.
Me: Am I incorrect or do you just wish it to be so?
You: You made sure to leave an ocean of gray area in whatever point youre making, but the only reason corporations are granted this speech is because of the CU SCOTUS ruling.
Me: The preceeding

The point is once again that your partisanship stuck it to you. All those responses had to take place before you finally came back to where you should have been to start. The Supreme Court says corporations have the right.

Your attempt to be 'clever' merely displayed your partisanship while simultaneously beclowning yourself.

Clear enough for you now?




Not at all. Maybe even less so.

What does partisanship have to do with SCOTUS rulings?

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23894077 - 12/04/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

People are complaining about corporate speech granted by the SCOTUS ruling on CU.

I dont see how you can say SCOTUS has nothing to do with that.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23894436 - 12/04/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Progressives love to tax anything that moves or breathes and would love to silence any and all dissent,



No - progressives want higher taxes on the rich so the middle and poor don't have to shoulder as much burden.  You knew that, but you love your straw man arguments.

As for silencing free speech, Trump is the one who's threatening free speech (see the topic of this thread), and progressives are the ones who are against that.  You knew that, but you love your straw man arguments.

You should change your sig to "They call me the straw man God because I love to make everything up!"  You're back on ignore for not debating honestly.




You aren't on ignore because I'm not a whiney little bitch :lol:

As for taxation, name me one tax cut that progressives have proposed, oh that's right, you can't because you are afraid to debate me:popcorn:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23894820 - 12/04/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alright, I'll play ball, this should be an interesting one:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/01/democrats-call-dibs-on-the-middle-class/384460/

This bill is both introduced and sponsored by the democrats, and is can be defined as a "progressive tax cut."

betcha gonna mention "class warfare"


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
    #23895007 - 12/04/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief

Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23895090 - 12/04/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief

Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:





So you like the idea when Van Hollen proposes it, but you don't like it when Bernie proposes using the same mechanism to send middle class (and anyone else who is qualified) kids to college?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23895162 - 12/04/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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hostileuniverse said:Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23896122 - 12/05/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief

Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:





So you like the idea when Van Hollen proposes it, but you don't like it when Bernie proposes using the same mechanism to send middle class (and anyone else who is qualified) kids to college?




Bernie proposed tax increases on the middle class, not cuts. He also had many other policies aimed at crippling the US you economy.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
    #23896125 - 12/05/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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hostileuniverse said:Where were these tax cuts when the democrats had complete control of the federal govt?:popcorn:

This proposal is obviously a lame attempt by democrats to goad voters into believing democrats give a shit about them again, when their ideas have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED nationwide :lol:


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Your sig is quite handy ballsalsa




You forgot the part

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I like It, I think tax cuts are great and the middle class could certainly use the relief




That actually proves my quote in B A L L S A L S A's sig to be factually correct


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: hostileuniverse] * 6
    #23901349 - 12/06/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I cannot understand for the life of me why it goes from "Those whiny little social justice warriors" to "You can't burn a symbol (flag) because it is disrespectful and we don't like it". Understand this, that is being a right wing social justice warrior. I also cannot bear seeing people fending off deserved criticism only on the basis that you like a certain politician or not. That is, to be blunt, being a pawn. This has to be one of the most frustrating things about politics, everyone falls in with a certain political group and instead of analyzing each issue, they just inherit the positions of their group on no objective basis logically As for Trump using this to make a mockery of Hillary supporters,unlikely. If it were to happen that way, Trump would only work to undermine his own movement considering that many of his supporters are actually backing him on this.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Kenneth]
    #23901653 - 12/06/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23903545 - 12/07/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I never burned a flag of any country and not the one I live in.  I have two small American flags in my front window.  Also  a portrait of Jesus above the fireplace.  I don't particularly believe in any of it 100%.

I also have a large American flag folded as it was folded by the American Legion.  This was covering my fathers remains.

Burning a flag or anything is too misconstrued and not very specific to any one complaint.  For a country like Iran it makes a general statement.  With a news commentator it also highlights a general specific argument.  But for general purposes it does not really make a great sign of commitment to an issue.  It's sorta like suicide saying you are no longer in any respectful relationship with the object you are burning.

I remember when I was at my first Rainbow gathering there was some disrespect to the American flag.  I was a little shocked to see that.  It's understandable that some families just have never been part of the system.

My tax rate is 31.5%.  Most jobs start out about $10 and no benefits.  That's a lot of taxing for having a voice that nobody ever listens to or respects.  So yes I understand why people burn flags or weed or what the fuck ever.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23904342 - 12/07/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Have you ever walked into a store, Nat. Guard Armory, Town Hall etc... and told them their flag was unserviceable?

Those people are showing disrespect for the flag also especially a store that is using the flag to prove to you how patriotic they are.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
    #23904396 - 12/07/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Lot's of people leave their flag up at night and in all weather.  It's supposed to be lite at night if it's kept up.  Also supposed to be taken down in bad weather.  Maybe upside down if shit's really bad.

I was a boyscout, spent a lot of years at the legion and 3 summers at military camp.  All and all I learned alcohol.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23905152 - 12/07/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're a self proclaimed flag waver. Have you ever told someone their flag was unserviceable?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
    #23906103 - 12/08/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No.  I am just blending in.

It's like if you want to move drugs.  You get a VW bus with hippies, a bass booming shiny rimmed car with gangsta looking guys and a  old lady car with an old lady.

Which vehicle has the drugs?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23909139 - 12/09/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know, Another typical flag waver.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54]
    #23909422 - 12/09/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Wtf are you even talking about?


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