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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
For example: usury was a big no no for Christians in Europe for a long time, so Jews became the bankers and accountants.


When Europe had been in the 'dark ages' for 500 years, Jews had been living in the middle east amidst the Islamic golden age - running financial institutions/being educated in business. So they had a massive advantage when emigrating to Europe with its fairly inexperienced business/financial practices around 1000.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: twighead]
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Also a good point


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because its the far left blaming immigranta and blacks and muslims and jews and every other variant of poor people that are the ones being divisive.

The left says solidarity while the right shouts BUILD THAT WALL.


The only solidarity that the left can form is that straight white males are the enemy and they must be removed from positions of power.

They can gather for a few hours complaining about the big bad white man, but at the end of the whine-fest they all run back into their little corners, they have NOTHING in common with each other.

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Bubbles85 said:
I assume you're talking in terms of economics here? Which only benefit's the very rich. The social consequences of mass immigration are a fucking disaster for the working classes.


And we keep asking for evidence of this.  Can you provide anything that hasn't been debunked?

Or define "disaster".  If it means immigrants have been shown to have a tiny effect on the employment rate of high school dropouts, I wouldn't quite call that a "disaster".


I'm not talking about employment rates, or tiny effects on high school drop outs. I'm talking about real world, on the ground, negative consequences for working class neighborhoods.
I can show that native Britons have been reduced to a minority population in countless towns/city's and working class neighborhoods across the UK, in as little as 15 years. If that's not a negative consequence of mass immigration I don't know What is.


At least you're willing to admit the real reasons you think immigration's consequences are negative; something qman won't do for fear of being called racist.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Bubbles85 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Bubbles85 said:
I assume you're talking in terms of economics here? Which only benefit's the very rich. The social consequences of mass immigration are a fucking disaster for the working classes.


And we keep asking for evidence of this.  Can you provide anything that hasn't been debunked?

Or define "disaster".  If it means immigrants have been shown to have a tiny effect on the employment rate of high school dropouts, I wouldn't quite call that a "disaster".


I'm not talking about employment rates, or tiny effects on high school drop outs. I'm talking about real world, on the ground, negative consequences for working class neighborhoods.
I can show that native Britons have been reduced to a minority population in countless towns/city's and working class neighborhoods across the UK, in as little as 15 years. If that's not a negative consequence of mass immigration I don't know What is.


At least you're willing to admit the real reasons you think immigration's consequences are negative; something qman won't do for fear of being called racist.


Sometimes there isn't any negative social aspects, sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't any negative economic aspects, sometimes there is, sometimes there's both negative social and economic aspects, sometimes there's neither.

It's called being open minded and evaluating each situation without a bias, give it a try Fal instead of tripping over yourself to defend that sacred ideology.

Edited by qman (01/28/18 04:05 PM)

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Sometimes there isn't any negative social aspects, sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't any negative economic aspects, sometimes there is, sometimes there's both negative social and economic aspects, sometimes there's neither.


Ok, sure.

qman said:
It's called being open minded and evaluating each situation without a bias, give it a try Fal instead of tripping over yourself to defend that sacred ideology.


I'm very open to evaluating what the situation is.  That's why I keep asking you.

Bubbles just told us why he thinks there a problem.  You always make believe your reasons because you're afraid of sounding racist.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Sometimes there isn't any negative social aspects, sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't any negative economic aspects, sometimes there is, sometimes there's both negative social and economic aspects, sometimes there's neither.


Ok, sure.

qman said:
It's called being open minded and evaluating each situation without a bias, give it a try Fal instead of tripping over yourself to defend that sacred ideology.


I'm very open to evaluating what the situation is.  That's why I keep asking you.

Bubbles just told us why he thinks there a problem.  You always make believe your reasons because you're afraid of sounding racist.


Some of guys already called me a "racist", so what difference does it make what I say? :lol: What exactly am I afraid of?  Being called a "racist".

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman]
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Why are you afraid of words?


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Why are you afraid of words?


I guess you missed the sarcasm in my statement.

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because its the far left blaming immigranta and blacks and muslims and jews and every other variant of poor people that are the ones being divisive.

The left says solidarity while the right shouts BUILD THAT WALL.


The only solidarity that the left can form is that straight white males are the enemy and they must be removed from positions of power.

They can gather for a few hours complaining about the big bad white man, but at the end of the whine-fest they all run back into their little corners, they have NOTHING in common with each other.


Being that you regularly misdefine the left, what makes you so confident you know anything about it? You watched some Ben Shapiro videos?


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because its the far left blaming immigranta and blacks and muslims and jews and every other variant of poor people that are the ones being divisive.

The left says solidarity while the right shouts BUILD THAT WALL.


The only solidarity that the left can form is that straight white males are the enemy and they must be removed from positions of power.

They can gather for a few hours complaining about the big bad white man, but at the end of the whine-fest they all run back into their little corners, they have NOTHING in common with each other.


Being that you regularly misdefine the left, what makes you so confident you know anything about it? You watched some Ben Shapiro videos?


How could anyone living in the US in the year 2018 NOT know about the left in this nation?  The left is either whining about some social issue or some stupid leftist opinion is forced down people's throats.

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman] * 1
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the pendulum is swinging the other way, the screeching far far left which has dominated for so long is going down in defeat.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman]
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It's astounding how many people are so indoctrinated by their own 'side' as to only find the other annoying as fuck in this country :smilingpuppy:

of everyone I'm aware of in both the Dem/repub parties only a small handful aren't being fodder for a dumpster-fire



What's really a banal and cowardly attitude is those who are always pointing across the aisle, bitching about some trite meaningless shit that has nothing to do with governance and paying almost no attention towards their own shit party's corruption. Equally repugnant with dems and repubs.

Maybe it's always been like this and I haven't noticed, but the partisan bitchfest seems to have taken over almost all discourse at this point.

/endbitchfest


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
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Stonehenge said:
the pendulum is swinging the other way, the screeching far far left which has dominated for so long is going down in defeat.


You guys (left complainers) are almost identical :lolsy:

Except instead of "omg trump!!" it's "omg libtardzz!!"


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Yeah because its the far left blaming immigranta and blacks and muslims and jews and every other variant of poor people that are the ones being divisive.

The left says solidarity while the right shouts BUILD THAT WALL.


The only solidarity that the left can form is that straight white males are the enemy and they must be removed from positions of power.

They can gather for a few hours complaining about the big bad white man, but at the end of the whine-fest they all run back into their little corners, they have NOTHING in common with each other.


Being that you regularly misdefine the left, what makes you so confident you know anything about it? You watched some Ben Shapiro videos?


How could anyone living in the US in the year 2018 NOT know about the left in this nation?  The left is either whining about some social issue or some stupid leftist opinion is forced down people's throats.


Right. Morons watch "Jordan Peterson owns high school SJW" youtube video and immediately know the labor theory of value. Most of em can't even get past the definition of socialism.


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