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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman] * 1
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The point to my original comment is that racism is irrational, an ideology of convenience.

Used to be convenient to hate Poles, Slavs, and the Irish, and call them genetically and culturally inferior. Now its Muslims. And more convenient, those evil slavs and poles and irish are welcomed into the "white" umbrella.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Bubbles85 said:
Less white people = diverse power house in your opinion remember :lol:



No, I don't remember.

I did say there appears to be zero evidence that diversity hurts.



I assume you're talking in terms of economics here? Which only benefit's the very rich. The social consequences of mass immigration are a fucking disaster for the working classes.

Divide and conquer though right. The elite must be crying with fucking laughter all the way to the bank.

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
Well, we better go with quotas based strictly on demographic population percentages, you're fine with Jewish acceptance rates of 2% I assume?



Honestly - I don't care. Ivy league schools are private (and extremely overrated) - thus they're free to do whatever they like. There's not even a place to write down you're Jewish in applications :lolsy: Unless you go out of your way to specify it as an 'Other' ethnicity - otherwise it's just White for most. You're probably imagining that Jews commonly have some person they can just call up and get a free pass :lolsy:

But yeah - I can understand feeling pissed, in the position of uneducated southern/midwestern whites... it's really both sides of the shit coin. Their culture has no emphasis on education - no emphasis on success - and yet because they're white they're treated as if they have ample cultural push to achieve those things... when really they're nearly as disadvantaged by their culture as southern black culture nowadays... of course in their case it's their own doing - far more than could be said of southern blacks.

And this conversely ties into Jewish culture - which has been unintentially making poor white downtrodden people just like the Southerners (ala medieval peasants) - mad for thousands of years. When they came to Europe en masse from the Islamic world in the 600-1000's - they came highly educated, and they've kept a tight inter-community emphasis on education/success ever since. While Europeans were almost entirely illiterate with no schooling system for hundreds of years post-Roman Empire - Jewish communities had been running inner-community higher-educational academies for hundreds of years before the first European university opened (which was then very exclusive)

So yeah I understand all of that pissing people off when they come from a society that doesn't give a single fuck about them and is happy with them being poor uneducated fools their entire lives. It's really not fair in some senses - that people's communities don't give a fuck about their success and don't set them up for it. That's almost impossible in Jewish families.. the pressure to get an education and be successful in something is very high - much akin to East Asian families - but with a little less soulless studying.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
It's not about guilt or punishing people for the sins of their ancestors.  It's about looking at the status TODAY and trying to level the playing field.  There is no question that white people today enjoy privileges that black people do not, for instance.  Leveling that playing field is desirable.



Maybe you should stop telling people who you know nothing about besides what their skin color is how privileged they are compared to some hypothetical other person. That's really not helping.





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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: MeatSack]
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they want guaranteed outcomes, thats what they are angling for


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
qman said:
Well, we better go with quotas based strictly on demographic population percentages, you're fine with Jewish acceptance rates of 2% I assume?



Honestly - I don't care. Ivy league schools are private (and extremely overrated) - thus they're free to do whatever they like. There's not even a place to write down you're Jewish in applications :lolsy: Unless you go out of your way to specify it as an 'Other' ethnicity - otherwise it's just White for most. You're probably imagining that Jews commonly have some person they can just call up and get a free pass :lolsy:

But yeah - I can understand feeling pissed, in the position of uneducated southern/midwestern whites... it's really both sides of the shit coin. Their culture has no emphasis on education - no emphasis on success - and yet because they're white they're treated as if they have ample cultural push to achieve those things... when really they're nearly as disadvantaged by their culture as southern black culture nowadays... of course in their case it's their own doing - far more than could be said of southern blacks.

And this conversely ties into Jewish culture - which has been unintentially making poor white downtrodden people just like the Southerners (ala medieval peasants) - mad for thousands of years. When they came to Europe en masse from the Islamic world in the 600-1000's - they came highly educated, and they've kept a tight inter-community emphasis on education/success ever since. While Europeans were almost entirely illiterate with no schooling system for hundreds of years post-Roman Empire - Jewish communities had been running inner-community higher-educational academies for hundreds of years before the first European university opened (which was then very exclusive)

So yeah I understand all of that pissing people off when they come from a society that doesn't give a single fuck about them and is happy with them being poor uneducated fools their entire lives. It's really not fair in some senses - that people's communities don't give a fuck about their success and don't set them up for it. That's almost impossible in Jewish families.. the pressure to get an education and be successful in something is very high - much akin to East Asian families - but with a little less soulless studying.



Why are you bringing up uneducated redneck whites from the South or Midwest?  What do they have to do with Ivy league acceptance rates?  :facepalm:  You realize not all whites applying to Havard are uneducated hillbillies? 

"thus free to do whatever they like"

So you feel the same way in the manner companies hire people?

I also know of the stresses Jews have to succeed in the academic and then professional world, how do you deal with it? I know they use the psychiatrist at a high rate.

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: qman]
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Because that is exceedingly the demographic type (downtrodden whites who have been abandoned by their own culture) that has blamed Jews for everything up to the plague in the last 1900~ years. :lol:

I don't know what sort of weird statistics you're going off of anyway - the supposed % of Jews at Harvard isn't wildly higher than the % that live in the North-East



And yeah I don't really care who a private employer chooses to hire. Hiring based off of anything but merit is probably a bad idea though - I wouldn't expect a company with a high emphasis on creating a monoculture to be very successful at all.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
Because that is exceedingly the demographic type (downtrodden whites who have been abandoned by their own culture) that has blamed Jews for everything up to the plague in the last 1900~ years. :lol:




"that is exceedingly the demographic type (downtrodden whites) that has blamed Jews"

I'm sorry, but that's completely wrong. Yes, some of those rednecks have issues with Jews today, but most don't even know about the issue.

I lived in one of the most affluent counties in the country, it was loaded with highly educated whites and there was a lot of anti-Semitism, just ask many of the Jews who lived there.

In fact, most of the very high end country clubs had a ban on Jewish members or had just recently allowed a few of them to become members.

I know the MSM likes to spin it that only southern rednecks have issue with some Jews, but I can assure you that's NOT the case today, many highly educated whites actually have more reasons to have those feelings.

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Bubbles85]
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Bubbles85 said:
I assume you're talking in terms of economics here? Which only benefit's the very rich. The social consequences of mass immigration are a fucking disaster for the working classes.



And we keep asking for evidence of this.  Can you provide anything that hasn't been debunked?

Or define "disaster".  If it means immigrants have been shown to have a tiny effect on the employment rate of high school dropouts, I wouldn't quite call that a "disaster".


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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MeatSack said:
Maybe you should stop telling people who you know nothing about besides what their skin color is how privileged they are compared to some hypothetical other person. That's really not helping.





Helping what, precisely?  My Goal is to create awareness.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Please achieve that. Many of the people posting here are acutely unaware.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Please achieve that. Many of the people posting here are acutely unaware.



Of what?

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
viktor said:
How come you're so brave and loud when it comes to decrying white privilege, but on the question of Jews, who are much more privileged than whites, you go completely silent?



Because I know nothing about Jews or Judaism or any privilege they enjoy outside of white privilege.  You seem to be unable to demonstrate it either.



Bullshit. The average American Jew is much wealthier than the average American white, therefore they are massively privileged. You know this.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
So yeah I understand all of that pissing people off when they come from a society that doesn't give a single fuck about them and is happy with them being poor uneducated fools their entire lives. It's really not fair in some senses - that people's communities don't give a fuck about their success and don't set them up for it. That's almost impossible in Jewish families.. the pressure to get an education and be successful in something is very high - much akin to East Asian families - but with a little less soulless studying.



White privilege exists for the same reasons. White people value education and hard work more than blacks and Hispanics.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: viktor] * 2
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Pathetic.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Yes, your arguments are pathetic.

If white people are wealthy because they are immoral exploiters, then Jews are triple immoral exploiters.

If Jews are wealthy because of their culture of hard work and education, then white people are wealthy because of their culture of hard work and education.

You guys can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick a logically consistent side.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: viktor]
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what constitutes whiteness, in your mind?

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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: viktor]
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>You guys can't have your cake and eat it too. You have to pick a logically consistent side

That will never happen


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: viktor] * 2
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What is inconsistent about my side? I bet you couldnt even describe my 'side' without attaching half a dozen assumptions.


I'm against ALL immoral exploiters. I don't see what that has to do with Jewish people going to college.


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Re: The Western Centre-Left Have Now Fully Betrayed the Working Class [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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You seem to think wealth directly correlates with privelege, when that isnt the case. For example, I have little in ways of wealth, but I can name a dozen examples of how my status as a white male has benefited me. Seems like you're just trying to find an excuse to push the "undeserving rich jews controlling everything" narrative.


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