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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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Arose Chaos said:
Under Sanders we would become some entitlement socialist everyone gets a free ride country with the world's strongest military that won't be used.


Sanders wanted to fix the systems we have in place that are breaking.  Social Security, infrastructure, schools, to name a few.

The only two new "free" things I'm aware that Bernie called for was healthcare (is that really a bad thing???) and public college (which used to be practically free before taxes were cut for the rich).


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Arose Chaos said:
Under Sanders we would become some entitlement socialist everyone gets a free ride country with the world's strongest military that won't be used.


Sanders wanted to fix the systems we have in place that are breaking.  Social Security, infrastructure, schools, to name a few.

The only two new "free" things I'm aware that Bernie called for was healthcare (is that really a bad thing???) and public college (which used to be practically free before taxes were cut for the rich).


While on that subject, in your opinion why should Healthcare, and more importantly college, be "free"? Do agree with the government covering a much larger portion of healthcare and college, which will undoubtedly raise the national debt? If college is free, what weight does a degree then hold?

Admittedly I am biased on the free college argument, as I am taking classes for free only because I earned it through the GI bill.

Edited by Arose Chaos (04/25/17 05:08 PM)

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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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Arose Chaos said:
...in your opinion why should Healthcare, and more importantly college, be "free"?


Practically every country in the world gets free healthcare except the US.  Should someone who gets cancer really have to choose between staying alive and giving up his family's home?

As for free public college, it was never intended to give EVERYONE free college; only those who got admitted.  Free public college would make public universities so competitive, that only the very best and brightest could go. 

Arose Chaos said:
Do agree with the government covering a much larger portion of healthcare and college, which will undoubtedly raise the national debt?


No, I'm very strongly against more debt, as was Bernie.  I'm for more taxes on the super rich, like it used to be when the country could afford to be great.

Arose Chaos said:
If college is free, what weight does a degree then hold?


It would hold MUCH MORE weight, because public college would be so much more competitive.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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But the actual reality is a bunch of retards that don't even use punctuation, parked up in classes being a "money chip" for the cancer that "free college" has become in this country? That's all it is too. Glorified daycare for people who can't run a cash register. Meanwhile, our previously golden college standard has become a joke. I don't have an answer bevause I would go by IQ and merit....not very "PC" if accurate.

Free healthcare is a crock too, but it is a way to send the "free" people to public medicine and private care people to private care. Obamacare would in time help our population problems, but it is slow, costly and again....just another money pot for politocians and industry. My lawyer can't pay for his self and grad school, but gets ROBBED to buy illegals and gang bangers health insurance.

Besides that....swedes, venezuela, germany, etc all these fkd up socialist countries are going down in flames and even brits socialized health is in the tank? Socialism is just a financial scam to scam people who forgot "no such thing as a free lunch" and voted or let tjemselves be led to, direct self implosion?


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Hopefully, Bernie at least stays in politics.  I'm not left leaning but Bernie is honorable man.  I don't know why everyone is always saying he is so old. He'll live to 125, probably.

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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Arose Chaos said:
...in your opinion why should Healthcare, and more importantly college, be "free"?


Practically every country in the world gets free healthcare except the US.  Should someone who gets cancer really have to choose between staying alive and giving up his family's home?

As for free public college, it was never intended to give EVERYONE free college; only those who got admitted.  Free public college would make public universities so competitive, that only the very best and brightest could go. 

Arose Chaos said:
Do agree with the government covering a much larger portion of healthcare and college, which will undoubtedly raise the national debt?


No, I'm very strongly against more debt, as was Bernie.  I'm for more taxes on the super rich, like it used to be when the country could afford to be great.

Arose Chaos said:
If college is free, what weight does a degree then hold?


It would hold MUCH MORE weight, because public college would be so much more competitive.


Think I mentioned this before, but you put other liberals to shame in terms of knowing the information of the policies you believe. Love having someone with an actual rebuttal.

To your college argument,
You said free public college to those who are admitted will make it more competitive. How so?
Isn't college already competitive? Right now people are usually fighting for a scholarship academically or athletically. Often resulting in individuals having more drive to do well in high school in order to get a grant, funding or scholarship.

Although I don't fully understand..
If anyone who is accepted can get a degree free of cost, wouldn't it just make a public college degree similar to a HS diploma? Wherein also potentially creating a system where only people from the "big universities" are considered? How would the cash be raised? For the dorms, the food, books etc. Unless you mean just the tuition is paid for, and not all the other costs.

And this gets into the main philosophical debate; but how is it ok to largely increase taxes on the" Super rich"? Also what defines super rich? Most of these people didn't get to that point of wealth without working for it.

As for free Healthcare, taxes would have to be enormous to pay for that type of entitlement. That's a lot to put on the taxpayers, with hospital staff, equipment and procedure costs. Countries that do this have incredibly high taxes, (France is a good example if I'm not mistaken). Just taxing the super rich won't cover Healthcare for the country. Also to point out that you can't always compare other countries to the US as typically our population, rate of sickness, disease and crime related injuries are much higher than most countries.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: LaofooQ]
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LaofooQ said:
But the actual reality is a bunch of retards that don't even use punctuation, parked up in classes being a "money chip" for the cancer that "free college" has become in this country? That's all it is too. Glorified daycare for people who can't run a cash register.  Meanwhile, our previously golden college standard has become a joke. I don't have an answer bevause I would go by IQ and merit.


That's EXACTLY why we need free public college.  Then public colleges become so competitive that the "retards" can no longer get in.

LaofooQ said:
Socialism is just a financial scam to scam people who forgot "no such thing as a free lunch" and voted or let tjemselves be led to, direct self implosion?


Capitalism (as the US does it) is a scam to make the rich richer while everyone else gets nothing more for their efforts.



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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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Arose Chaos said:
You said free public college to those who are admitted will make it more competitive. How so?


Basic supply and demand.  Cut the price to zero and a LOT more people will apply.  But only the same number of students can be admitted, so only the best of the best can go.

Arose Chaos said:
Isn't college already competitive? Right now people are usually fighting for a scholarship academically or athletically. Often resulting in individuals having more drive to do well in high school in order to get a grant, funding or scholarship.


Yes, that's exactly right.  It's extremely competitive to go to college for free, but if you can afford it, then you don't have to compete for the scholarships.  Free college makes everyone that applies compete at this level, including the rich.

Arose Chaos said:
If anyone who is accepted can get a degree free of cost, wouldn't it just make a public college degree similar to a HS diploma?


No because we have enough high schools for EVERONE to attend, but we only have a limited number of public colleges.

Arose Chaos said:
How would the cash be raised? For the dorms, the food, books etc. Unless you mean just the tuition is paid for, and not all the other costs.


Bernie explains how to pay for all his proposals here (in this case he proposed a Wall St speculation tax).

Arose Chaos said:
And this gets into the main philosophical debate; but how is it ok to largely increase taxes on the" Super rich"? Also what defines super rich?


We've done it before when the country was better off, from WWII through the 70's.  We can do it again:



Arose Chaos said:
As for free Healthcare, taxes would have to be enormous to pay for that type of entitlement. That's a lot to put on the taxpayers, with hospital staff, equipment and procedure costs. Countries that do this have incredibly high taxes, (France is a good example if I'm not mistaken). Just taxing the super rich won't cover Healthcare for the country. Also to point out that you can't always compare other countries to the US as typically our population, rate of sickness, disease and crime related injuries are much higher than most countries.


But why does the US have a higher rate of sickness and disease?  It's because our healthcare system isn't helping the poor very well.

And Bernie explains how to pay for it here.  In this case it's by a 2.2 percent income-based premium.  Everyone's taxes goes up by 2.2 percent.  That makes health insurance FAR more affordable for the poor than what they'd pay for private insurance.

Arose Chaos said:
you put other liberals to shame in terms of knowing the information of the policies you believe. Love having someone with an actual rebuttal.


Thank you, but I think most of the liberals here are a lot smarter than the ones you'll find in the pub.

And it's nice to have a discussion with someone who's at least listening.

:toast:


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:[/b
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Arose Chaos said:

you put other liberals to shame in terms of knowing the information of the policies you believe. Love having someone with an actual rebuttal.


Thank you, but I think most of the liberals here are a lot smarter than the ones you'll find in the pub.

And it's nice to have a discussion with someone who's at least listening.

:toast:


Cheers my friend, healthy debate is what we need instead of the shit show that we have currently. Very valid arguments, however I'm not so sure that some of the groups affected by significant tax hikes, let alone the insurance companies. Wouldn't that decimate health insurers?

And on the subject, universal Healthcare would be unfair to more health conscious individuals. For example a Smoker vs a non Smoker. Why should the smoker receive the same entitlements? (I smoke btw)
Regardless of lifestyle choices, everyone gets covered, and everyone shares the cost

Additionally in countries like Canada and Australia, while they have free Healthcare systems, the wait times and accessibility of care are a train wreck. Also, what about prescriptions, will they covered as well? Thats a whole-other beast itself which branches out to abuse and big pharmaceutical.

Another question, how do you feel about the military under a President such as Sanders?


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos] * 1
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Arose Chaos said:
I'm not so sure that some of the groups affected by significant tax hikes, let alone the insurance companies. Wouldn't that decimate health insurers?


Yes, sinlge payer insurance would eliminate the insurance industry entirely, with the possible exception of supplemental insurance for the wealthy.  Imagine the savings in healthcare costs that would provide!  Not to mention, Healthcare CEOs are the best paid of all, as they have lobbied the Government to keep money flowing their way (I'm not a big fan of Obamacare).

Arose Chaos said:
And on the subject, universal Healthcare would be unfair to more health conscious individuals. For example a Smoker vs a non Smoker. Why should the smoker receive the same entitlements? (I smoke btw)
Regardless of lifestyle choices, everyone gets covered, and everyone shares the cost


I'd be very much in favor of higher/lower rates for people in higher/lower risk lifestyles.  That'd be up to the voters.

Arose Chaos said:
Additionally in countries like Canada and Australia, while they have free Healthcare systems, the wait times and accessibility of care are a train wreck.


I'm not so sure that's true.  I have pretty good health insurance and I recently made an appointment with a "next available" cardiologist, and my appointment is in late July because it's not an emergency.

Arose Chaos said:
Also, what about prescriptions, will they covered as well? Thats a whole-other beast itself which branches out to abuse and big pharmaceutical.


Yes, and that's another reason why single payer is good.  If there's only one insurer (the Government), they would have HUGE negotiating power over the Pharma companies.  Private insurers don't have that power today, which is why the US pays so much more than other countries for pharmaceuticals.

Arose Chaos said:
Another question, how do you feel about the military under a President such as Sanders?


As an ex-military officer, I'd say it would be a dream come true.  Finally a president that wouldn't go to war just to give big oil and the military industrial complex more money.  He'd only go to war if it were in defense of our country.

If you've read some of my previous posts, you'd see there's a lot of solid evidence this is what's going on.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
As an ex-military officer, I'd say it would be a dream come true.  Finally a president that wouldn't go to war just to give big oil and the military industrial complex more money.  He'd only go to war if it were in defense of our country.

If you've read some of my previous posts, you'd see there's a lot of solid evidence this is what's going on.


Not so much in agreement with this. I was in the Marines for 9 years, and while agree war is never a good thing, with some of the situations around the world I think a preemptive strike or attack is necessary.

The idea of sitting back and waiting for North Korea to develop long range nuclear warheads makes me cringe. But I was a warfighter, so you probably know how our type are in regard to mindset.

Otherwise, great responses. I mean that sincerely. Granted I don't agree with all of them, and both of our recommendations are often speculation. However, I think you have some solid ideas.

I side with whomever keeps out military strength at the top, and isn't afraid to pick a fight when necessary. So obviously 95% of the time my vote goes to a conservative, or frankly anyone who makes the military and care of veterans at the top of their priorities.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos] * 1
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Arose Chaos said:
...while agree war is never a good thing, with some of the situations around the world I think a preemptive strike or attack is necessary.

The idea of sitting back and waiting for North Korea to develop long range nuclear warheads makes me cringe.


I'm not a fan of Kim Jong-un whatsoever, but I think a good President could have negotiated a deal with N. Korea, as Clinton once did.  What does he get in return for not having a seat at the Big Boy table with the other nuclear powers?

Arose Chaos said:
I side with whomever keeps out military strength at the top, and isn't afraid to pick a fight when necessary. So obviously 95% of the time my vote goes to a conservative, or frankly anyone who makes the military and care of veterans at the top of their priorities.


I want to keep our military strength at the top as well.  And so does Ben Cohen (of Ben & Jerry's).  Have you seen this video from him?



By the way, NO ONE would have done more for veterans than Bernie.  He wanted to shift money from the Military Industrial Complex to the veterans.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Arose Chaos said:
...while agree war is never a good thing, with some of the situations around the world I think a preemptive strike or attack is necessary.

The idea of sitting back and waiting for North Korea to develop long range nuclear warheads makes me cringe.


I'm not a fan of Kim Jong-un whatsoever, but I think a good President could have negotiated a deal with N. Korea, as Clinton once did.  What does he get in return for not having a seat at the Big Boy table with the other nuclear powers?



Honestly, I don't think he should get anything. That dictatorship is one of those things that should be erased from this planet. It's not so much an issue of what do they want, or how can we negotiate, but an issue of what can the world do to rid the country of something so evil and corrupt. The guy executes people frequently, including his own brother. That type of person, or his followers should not be allowed to exist.

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I want to keep our military strength at the top as well.  And so does Ben Cohen (of Ben & Jerry's).  Have you seen this video from him?



By the way, NO ONE would have done more for veterans than Bernie.  He wanted to shift money from the Military Industrial Complex to the veterans.



That was an extremely interesting video. I did agree with some points, including the need for better and more diverse spending. Though due to my stance on entitlements, I still don't agree that we should throw money at people in "poverty". In this country, anyone regardless of circumstance can be successful. Besides the people born in, or falling in to wealth, it just takes individual effort and motivation. 

I'm not so sure he would be that supportive of veterans . if I remember correctly, he was the chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee when the 2014 VA scandal happened. What would he actually do to improve veteran care? We already discussed the free college topic, however wouldn't that be an additional slap in the face for veterans using the GI bill?

Not only veterans, but I think he would cut military spending which would affect active duty personnel.


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Edited by Arose Chaos (04/25/17 09:04 PM)

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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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Arose Chaos said:
Honestly, I don't think he should get anything. That dictatorship is one of those things that should be erased from this planet. It's not so much an issue of what do they want, or how can we negotiate, but an issue of what can the world do to rid the country of something so evil and corrupt. The guy executes people frequently, including his own brother. That type of person, or his followers should not be allowed to exist.


It's never been shown that he killed his half brother, and for all we know the number of executions in N. Korea could be less than it is in the United States.  The half brother murder story was put out without evidence to get people to rally against him.  Just like we don't know whether Putin was behind any of the Russian journalist's deaths, nor have we ever proven Assad was behind the chemical attacks in Syria (in fact, we're blocking Russia from helping in the investigation).  The America media trusts any story the US Government wants to tell (weapons of mass destruction, anyone?)

Arose Chaos said:
I'm not so sure he would be that supportive of veterans . if I remember correctly, he was the chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee when the 2014 VA scandal happened.


That's true, but do you remember what the scandal was about?  VA administrators were given bonuses if they reported they could manage their hospitals with less funding.  Naturally, they wanted to collect on the bonuses, so they said they were doing just fine.  Bernie and Congress had no reason to believe otherwise.

Arose Chaos said:
What would he actually do to improve veteran care?


A LOT (Google it).  Even John McCain said that Bernie is good for veterans.

Arose Chaos said:
We already discussed the free college topic, however wouldn't that be an additional slap in the face for veterans using the GI bill?


I don't think so.  Nothing would be taken away.  And we could then give veterans something else.

Arose Chaos said:
Not only veterans, but I think he would cut military spending which would affect active duty personnel.


Possibly.  But I think most cuts would come from weapons reductions and overseas deployments.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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I noticed you changed your post a little (let me know if you want me to delete my original reply).  Here's my response to your new point:

Arose Chaos said:
due to my stance on entitlements, I still don't agree that we should throw money at people in "poverty". In this country, anyone regardless of circumstance can be successful. Besides the people born in, or falling in to wealth, it just takes individual effort and motivation.


Agreed, but Bernie didn't propose throwing ANY additional money at people who didn't work.  He wanted to help the working person, by raising minimum wage and strengthening worker's rights.  He wanted to raise the cap on social security to ensure people could still retire at 65 without cutting into their benefits.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Good points my friend. Though especially on the N. Korea/Syria comments, you implied that we don't "know for sure" about some things.

The intelligence individuals and agencies in the US are some of if not the best on the planet. This is one of the few things I have read by you that seems like "typical" liberal logic. How can anyone think that a handful of people, many of whom were N.Korean, just acted alone and randomly in the obvious murder of Un's brother. It was clearly an assassination. Also Un's other executions were an obvious insecurity of power and control. Anyone who remotely protests the leadership there, either dies or ends up in a work camp for the next 15-25 years. Many of the defectors have said as much, and spoke of the brutality of the regime.

For Assad, back to the intelligence capability of the US.. With all the resources the Intel community has, how would the US possibly not be 100% sure of the chemical weapons attack originating  from Assad forces. Multiple news outlets reported on how the US traced the Syrian aircraft from the airstrip to the chemical weapon attack area, and then said aircraft back to the same airstrip.

One of my gripes is a lot of people on the left will assume that something is not proven, or could be a conspiracy or cover up. The President and many of the US high command and agencies have unimaginable resources at their disposal, most of which we will never know about.

Anyways, :smile: good debate. Hitting the rack for now, will be at it again tomorrow. Good stuff Falcon.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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Arose Chaos said:
...you implied that we don't "know for sure" about some things.

The intelligence individuals and agencies in the US are some of if not the best on the planet.


No question about that.  That's exactly why I believe they should be able to prove anything they claim.

Arose Chaos said:
This is one of the few things I have read by you that seems like "typical" liberal logic. How can anyone think that a handful of people, many of whom were N.Korean, just acted alone and randomly in the obvious murder of Un's brother. It was clearly an assassination.


Yes, it was absolutely a murder/assassination.  Why hasn't the world's best intelligence provided any proof of how they know who was behind it?  Maybe a recorded phone conversation, email, etc.  I honestly don't know much at all about his half brother, but how do we know Kim Jong Un was behind it without proof?  Could there have been someone else in the world that wanted him dead?  Please note - I'm NOT ruling out Kim Jong Un, I'm just saying no one's provided evidence that he was behind it.

Arose Chaos said:
Also Un's other executions were an obvious insecurity of power and control. Anyone who remotely protests the leadership there, either dies or ends up in a work camp for the next 15-25 years. Many of the defectors have said as much, and spoke of the brutality of the regime.


I'm not arguing any of those points.

Arose Chaos said:
For Assad, back to the intelligence capability of the US.. With all the resources the Intel community has, how would the US possibly not be 100% sure of the chemical weapons attack originating  from Assad forces.


They may well be 100% sure of who's behind it.  And that may well be why they don't want Russia to help in the investigation, because Russia might reveal what they already know.  :wink:  The CIA has lied in the past about things that promote US interests, like the situation in Ukraine (we now know that the US Government orchestrated a coup there).

Arose Chaos said:
Multiple news outlets reported on how the US traced the Syrian aircraft from the airstrip to the chemical weapon attack area, and then said aircraft back to the same airstrip.


That I don't doubt.  But the counterclaim is that those aircraft bombed a chemical warehouse operated by the rebels.

Arose Chaos said:
One of my gripes is a lot of people on the left will assume that something is not proven, or could be a conspiracy or cover up.


If you've seen any proof, PLEASE share.  My gripe is that there isn't proof, only someone's claim who has been known to lie before if it's in the "interests" of the United States.

Arose Chaos said:
The President and many of the US high command and agencies have unimaginable resources at their disposal, most of which we will never know about.


For sure.  And if they have something solid, why don't they share it?

Arose Chaos said:
Anyways, :smile: good debate. Hitting the rack for now, will be at it again tomorrow. Good stuff Falcon.


Definitely a good discussion.  I wished more were like this.  :thumbup:


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 Have you seen the interview with Sanders about North Korea? I actually thought it was very good.


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Arose Chaos]
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No.  Do you still have the link?


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Re: Bernie Sanders for President in 2020? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/04/28/bernie-sanders-north-korea-newday.cnn

Here you go my friend. Love how he says china-er. Sounds like he has a good idea that N. Korea is a real threat and must be stopped at all costs. Definitely won a few points for me. If and when a liberal(ish) get elected again, i hope they have this kind of attitude.


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