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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: qman] * 2
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It was a good deal. My point was that uranium isn't actually some highly protected resource. The fact is that there isn't much demand for uranium. The so called uranium the Clinton's sold to the Russians is in reality a transfer of mining rights from a Canadian company to its Russian purchaser. It's not even being mined. There's only a handful of active uranium mines in the US. Most have been shut down due to lack of demand.


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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
It was a good deal. My point was that uranium isn't actually some highly protected resource. The fact is that there isn't much demand for uranium. The so called uranium the Clinton's sold to the Russians is in reality a transfer of mining rights from a Canadian company to its Russian purchaser. It's not even being mined. There's only a handful of active uranium mines in the US. Most have been shut down due to lack of demand.



Oh I know, most uranium company shares are down -95% or out of business, but with India and China building plenty of new plants maybe that will change.

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: qman] * 1
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https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

FROM MSNBC POLITICS shows to town hall meetings across the country, the overarching issue for the Democratic Party’s base since Trump’s victory has been Russia, often suffocating attention for other issues. This fixation has persisted even though it has no chance to sink the Trump presidency unless it is proven that high levels of the Trump campaign actively colluded with the Kremlin to manipulate the outcome of the U.S. election — a claim for which absolutely no evidence has thus far been presented.

The principal problem for Democrats is that so many media figures and online charlatans are personally benefiting from feeding the base increasingly unhinged, fact-free conspiracies — just as right-wing media polemicists did after both Bill Clinton and Obama were elected — that there are now millions of partisan soldiers absolutely convinced of a Trump/Russia conspiracy for which, at least as of now, there is no evidence. And they are all waiting for the day, which they regard as inevitable and imminent, when this theory will be proven and Trump will be removed.


Key Democratic officials are clearly worried about the expectations that have been purposely stoked and are now trying to tamp them down. Many of them have tried to signal that the beliefs the base has been led to adopt have no basis in reason or evidence.

The latest official to throw cold water on the MSNBC-led circus is President Obama’s former acting CIA chief Michael Morell. What makes him particularly notable in this context is that Morell was one of Clinton’s most vocal CIA surrogates. In August, he not only endorsed Clinton in the pages of the New York Times but also became the first high official to explicitly accuse Trump of disloyalty, claiming, “In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

But on Wednesday night, Morell appeared at an intelligence community forum to “cast doubt” on “allegations that members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.” “On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire at all,” he said, adding, “There’s no little campfire, there’s no little candle, there’s no spark. And there’s a lot of people looking for it.”

Obama’s former CIA chief also cast serious doubt on the credibility of the infamous, explosive “dossier” originally published by BuzzFeed, saying that its author, Christopher Steele, paid intermediaries to talk to the sources for it. The dossier, he said, “doesn’t take you anywhere, I don’t think.”

Morell’s comments echo the categorical remarks by Obama’s top national security official, James Clapper, who told Meet the Press last week that during the time he was Obama’s DNI, he saw no evidence to support claims of a Trump/Russia conspiracy. “We had no evidence of such collusion,” Clapper stated unequivocally. Unlike Morell, who left his official CIA position in 2013 but remains very integrated into the intelligence community, Clapper was Obama’s DNI until just seven weeks ago, leaving on January 20.

Perhaps most revealing of all are the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee — charged with investigating these matters — who recently told BuzzFeed how petrified they are of what the Democratic base will do if they do not find evidence of collusion, as they now suspect will likely be the case. “There’s a tangible frustration over what one official called ‘wildly inflated’ expectations surrounding the panel’s fledgling investigation,” BuzzFeed’s Ali Watkins wrote.

Moreover, “several committee sources grudgingly say, it feels as though the investigation will be seen as a sham if the Senate doesn’t find a silver bullet connecting Trump and Russian intelligence operatives.” One member told Watkins: “I don’t think the conclusions are going to meet people’s expectations.”

What makes all of this most significant is that officials like Clapper and Morell are trained disinformation agents; Clapper in particular has proven he will lie to advance his interests. Yet even with all the incentive to do so, they are refusing to claim there is evidence of such collusion; in fact, they are expressly urging people to stop thinking it exists. As even the law recognizes, statements that otherwise lack credibility become more believable when they are ones made “against interest.”

Media figures have similarly begun trying to tamp down expectations. Ben Smith, the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, which published the Steele dossier, published an article yesterday warning that the Democratic base’s expectation of a smoking gun “is so strong that Twitter and cable news are full of the theories of what my colleague Charlie Warzel calls the Blue Detectives — the left’s new version of Glenn Beck, digital blackboards full of lines and arrows.” Smith added: “It is also a simple fact that while news of Russian actions on Trump’s behalf is clear, hard details of coordination between his aides and Putin’s haven’t emerged.” And Smith’s core warning is this:

Trump’s critics last year were horrified at the rise of “fake news” and the specter of a politics shaped by alternative facts, predominantly on the right. They need to be careful now not to succumb to the same delusional temptations as their political adversaries, and not to sink into a filter bubble which, after all, draws its strength not from conservative or progressive politics but from human nature.

And those of us covering the story and the stew of real information, fantasy, and — now — forgery around it need to continue to report and think clearly about what we know and what we don’t, and to resist the sugar high that comes with telling people exactly what they want to hear.

For so long, Democrats demonized and smeared anyone trying to inject basic reason, rationality, and skepticism into this Trump/Russia discourse by labeling them all Kremlin agents and Putin lovers. Just this week, the Center for American Progress released a report using the language of treason to announce the existence of a “Fifth Column” in the U.S. that serves Russia (similar to Andrew Sullivan’s notorious 2001 decree that anyone opposing the war on terror composed an anti-American “Fifth Column”), while John McCain listened to Rand Paul express doubts about the wisdom of NATO further expanding to include Montenegro and then promptly announced: “Paul is working for Vladimir Putin.”

But with serious doubts — and fears — now emerging about what the Democratic base has been led to believe by self-interested carnival barkers and partisan hacks, there is a sudden, concerted effort to rein in the excesses of this story. With so many people now doing this, it will be increasingly difficult to smear them all as traitors and Russian loyalists, but it may be far too little, too late, given the pitched hysteria that has been deliberately cultivated around these issues for months. Many Democrats have reached the classic stage of deranged conspiracists where evidence that disproves the theory is viewed as further proof of its existence, and those pointing to it are instantly deemed suspect.


A formal, credible investigation into all these questions, where the evidence is publicly disclosed, is still urgently needed. That’s true primarily so that conspiracies no longer linger and these questions are resolved by facts rather than agenda-driven anonymous leaks from the CIA and cable news hosts required to feed a partisan mob.

It’s certainly possible to envision an indictment of a low-level operative like Carter Page, or the prosecution of someone like Paul Manafort on matters unrelated to hacking, but the silver bullet that Democrats have been led to expect will sink Trump appears further away than ever.

But given the way these Russia conspiracies have drowned out other critical issues being virtually ignored under the Trump presidency, it’s vital that everything be done now to make clear what is based in evidence and what is based in partisan delusions. And most of what the Democratic base has been fed for the last six months by their unhinged stable of media, online, and party leaders has decisively fallen into the latter category, as even their own officials are now desperately trying to warn.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: SirTripAlot]
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:homerdoh3:

:awesomenod:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
It was a good deal. My point was that uranium isn't actually some highly protected resource. The fact is that there isn't much demand for uranium. The so called uranium the Clinton's sold to the Russians is in reality a transfer of mining rights from a Canadian company to its Russian purchaser. It's not even being mined. There's only a handful of active uranium mines in the US. Most have been shut down due to lack of demand.




Uranium isn't a protected resource?

lol the mental gymnastics here are intense.


Yo, DPRK+Iran its cool we were just fucking you guys with the whole Sannctions thing

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: elax420]
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have you guys read about the uranyl seawater extraction methods being developed lately?

http://www.mining.com/scientists-find-new-way-to-extract-uranium-from-seawater/

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
koods said:
It was a good deal. My point was that uranium isn't actually some highly protected resource. The fact is that there isn't much demand for uranium. The so called uranium the Clinton's sold to the Russians is in reality a transfer of mining rights from a Canadian company to its Russian purchaser. It's not even being mined. There's only a handful of active uranium mines in the US. Most have been shut down due to lack of demand.




Uranium isn't a protected resource?

lol the mental gymnastics here are intense.


Yo, DPRK+Iran its cool we were just fucking you guys with the whole Sannctions thing



Obviously it can be strategically significant when it comes to countries that don't yet have arsenals of nuclear weapons and are making moves to create them, but Russia already has nukes, and US-mined uranium is a tiny speck of overall world production (something like 2%). Canada, which borders on and has a good trade relationship with the US, is responsible for about 20% of world production, and likewise for Russia there is Kazakhstan with about 40%. The amount produced domestically in the US would seem to have very little impact on either the US or Russia having access to plenty of uranium.

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: psi] * 1
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Wasn't Iran in hot shit over the fact that it was enriching uranium? Nobody cares if you have plain old uranium straight out of the ground, it's if you're enriching it that you raise flags.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: psi]
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That sounds like a deflection.

So the AG talking to the Russian diplomat is high treason and irrevocable proof that trump is a russian puppet

But selling uranium to the Russians is inconsequential, and a shrewd business decision.

Makes sense.

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
Wasn't Iran in hot shit over the fact that it was enriching uranium? Nobody cares if you have plain old uranium straight out of the ground, it's if you're enriching it that you raise flags.



Bingo


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
That sounds like a deflection.



Speaking of deflections, do you have a compelling argument to make that the uranium deal is not inconsequential?


Quote:
So the AG talking to the Russian diplomat is high treason and irrevocable proof that trump is a russian puppet

But selling uranium to the Russians is inconsequential, and a shrewd business decision.

Makes sense.



Who are you addressing this to?

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
That sounds like a deflection.

So the AG talking to the Russian diplomat is high treason and irrevocable proof that trump is a russian puppet

But selling uranium to the Russians is inconsequential, and a shrewd business decision..



Who sold uranium to the Russians exactly. Sounds like you have no clue what you are talking about.

The AG didnt commit treason. He committed perjury when he lied under oath.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/20/17 11:27 AM)

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: koods]
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"The FBI is investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts"

-James Comey

The entire trump campaign is currently under investigation by the FBI. What a disgrace trump is.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/20/17 11:44 AM)

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: koods]
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I can't wait till they start throwing the spaghetti at the wall.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
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Sean spicer just called Michael Flynn a campaign volunteer, trying to downplay his role in the campaign. I suspect Flynn may be in trouble.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/20/17 12:02 PM)

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: elax420] * 2
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Quote:
But selling uranium to the Russians is inconsequential, and a shrewd business decision.




Ya , pretty inconsequential when you think about the fact that Russia has sold the USA  500 tons of highly enriched uranium that they converted to 15000 tons of low enriched uranium  . We use it in power plants . The program was called megatons for megawatts it started in 1993 and lasted 20 years .
There was only 1271 ton of uranium mined in the us in 2015 .  That won't make very much highly enriched weapons grade material 20% of that is nothing .

Do you think there might be be someone in Russia pissed off about them selling us uranium ? That would be hilarious .
  Back when this shit happened uranium was 50 dollars pound, now its about 25 . If I had those mineral rights I would be kicking myself in the balls right now , that's sounds like a shitty spot to be in with a mining venture  .  Especially since the law won't allow you to export the uranium anyway .

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: psilynut]
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Sean spicer just said Hillary Clinton sold off 1/5 of the us uranium supply. This White House is a disgrace.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: koods]
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I prefer to think of the present administration as a hot mess, that makes it so much more entertaining.

Things are going to be a lot worse when Pence takes over after Trump is impeached. I've been working out every day and I recently signed up for gun lessons. The only way I'm going to some conversion camp is as a corpse.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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koods said:
Sean spicer just called Michael Flynn a campaign volunteer, trying to downplay his role in the campaign. I suspect Flynn may be in trouble.



Apparently a number of people think this comment is extremely bizarre.



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: No proof has been found between Trump and Russia ties... (moved) [Re: psi]
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psi said:
elax420 said:
That sounds like a deflection.



Speaking of deflections, do you have a compelling argument to make that the uranium deal is not inconsequential?


Quote:
So the AG talking to the Russian diplomat is high treason and irrevocable proof that trump is a russian puppet

But selling uranium to the Russians is inconsequential, and a shrewd business decision.

Makes sense.



Who are you addressing this to?




Damn you get militant real quick :lol:

Addressed to establishment liberals, which I'm assuming includes you given how committed you are to distance Hillary from Russia and tie trump to them.


According to democrats.

Treason:
Talking to the official state ambassador>selling the critical component of nuclear arms production
lol you are fake news


The funniest/most ironic thing is you are acting like Hillary people wouldn't be slinging shit if trump sold the Russians uranium.

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