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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7272183 - 08/07/07 09:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, I thought you were debating that reporters and questions are pre-selected. If you aren't then it really doesn't matter if someone was thrown out because that only matters to the extent that it supports the claim that the areas the press looks into at a white house conference are directed.
Regardless, there's a video of it out there whether you believe it or not, not that it mean anything if you don't already debate that reporters and questions are pre-selected.


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7272199 - 08/07/07 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Translation: I lied and Dip caught me. :smirk:


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7272234 - 08/07/07 09:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, it's true. You're really reaching for some small victory here tho, unreasonably so.

Being thrown out of the white house isn't the important part because it adds nothing to the debate. That reporters and questions are pre-selected is what is important to the debate. That someone was thrown out only highlights that reporters and questions are pre-selected. Since the point that they are, in fact, pre-selected is seemingly acknowledged by you it is 100% irrelevant whether someone was thrown out or not.
At least be sensible enough to recognize this.

And the point of all that is to display that the US press is gevernmentally restricted.


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7272299 - 08/07/07 09:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Since the point that they are, in fact, pre-selected

Most White House press conferences are not scripted. You are disproportionately harping on one press conference that was scripted out of thousands that aren't, again trying to be right rather than trying to get to the Truth.

That reporters and questions are pre-selected

And you think the questions reporters ask Putin aren't?

Reporters have always had to walk a fine line when questioning any important person. This goes for George Bush, Bill Gates, and Mother Theresa alike. It's a truism of journalism and has always been so. If you piss off your interviewee, he may never give you another interview.

This doesn't change the fact that in the US, the free press can dig for dirty laundry. And if the damning revelations of abuse at Abu Graib discovered by the free press aren't enough to convince you that there's a difference between journalism in the US and journalism under Putin's boot in Russia, then like I said, you're just arguing to be right.

I don't know what else to tell ya.


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7272393 - 08/07/07 10:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Most White House press conferences are not scripted. You are disproportionately harping on one press conference that was scripted out of thousands that aren't, again trying to be right rather than trying to get to the Truth.





Staged Answer Sessions and Pre-planned Interviews Overshadow White House Press Corps
August 26, 2004

PEN USA’s First Amendment Action Committee is disappointed in the Bush administration’s tactics to overshadow press corps reports with false and staged interviews from Bush supporters.

Instead of taking questions from reporters, President Bush has increasingly begun to take questions and interviews only from citizen-supporters, who often were made to sign a political loyalty oath to be allowed into the events.

These events, called “Ask Bush,” of which there were four last week, the President gave a long speech and then staged interviews with prepared guests. Afterward, supporters asked him such questions as, “Mr. President, you were a fighter pilot, and you were with the 147th Fighter Wing? …And flew a very dangerous aircraft, the Delta F102?...I want to thank you for serving our country.” (transcript here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040813-7.html).

White House press corps veteran and columnist Helen Thomas recently was quoted as saying, “The President of the United States should be able to answer any question, or at least dance around one. At some time—early and often—he should submit to questioning and be held accountable, because if you don’t have that then you only have one side of the story. The Presidential news conference is the only forum in our society, the only institution, where a President can be questioned. If a leader is not questioned, he can rule by edict or executive order. He can be a king or a dictator. Who’s to challenge him? We’re there to pull his chain and to ask the questions that should be asked every day, for every move.”

While supporters are definitely welcome and expected at events where the President speaks, those citizens who may not agree with his policies, or have pressing questions should be allowed as well. However, the audience in these “Ask Bush” events is carefully screened to keep out anyone who might ask a difficult or negative question, dealing maybe with the September 11th attacks, or the war in Iraq. Before attending events like these, citizens must prove they are supporters of Bush, and are often asked to sign waivers such as the one used in New Mexico for a rally with Vice President Dick Cheney. The form read as such: “I, (full name)… do herby endorse George W. Bush for reelection as President of the United States…” and states “in signing the above endorsement you are consenting to use and release your name by Bush-Cheney as an endorser of President Bush.” In Traverse City, Mich., a 55-year-old social studies teacher who wore a small Kerry sticker on her blouse had her ticket torn up at the door. “How can anyone in the United States deny someone entry?” she asked. “Isn’t this a democracy?”

So, Bush usually ends up talking to conservative, highly-religious crowds whose question/statements sometimes do not even require answers. Often they simply thank Bush for bringing “God back into the White House” or for being such a strong leader. The questions are never about important issues, and are pre-screened.

PEN USA is concerned at this trend, where screened question and answer sessions with pledged supporters overshadow actual interviews by members of the press. Many reporters and journalists are like Helen Thomas, and believe this is an affront to their responsibility to report on the President’s actual standing on issues. Many journalists feel brushed aside because President Bush is shunning tough questions and real interviews for these “Ask Bush” events. PEN USA’s First Amendment Action Committee feels this sort of selective screening process has no place in the world of journalism.

“As a journalist,” says David L. Ulin, co-chair of PEN USA’s Domestic Freedom to Write Committee, and a writer and teacher of writing at the university and graduate level, “I am extremely disheartened by the unwillingness of the President to face the kind of rigorous questioning his position requires. This is yet another example of his administration’s lack of understanding of fundamental American values like honestly, transparency, and dialogue. It violates the very spirit of Democracy.”

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And you think the questions reporters ask Putin aren't?



We got into talking about US governmental press transparancy to show that the US is guilty of the same, not to show that Russia isn't. This shouldn't be a US vs Russia battle anyway, because this all got started when I pointed out that the US trains its citizens to view Putin in a certain manner. It had nothing to do with how the countries compare, but with the Truth that Putin is not as western media and government would have you believe.


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Canada Post’s flag flew at North Pole before Russia’s [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7274170 - 08/08/07 12:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Canada Post’s flag flew at North Pole before Russia’s
Katie Daubs, CanWest News Service
Published: Tuesday, August 07, 2007

OTTAWA -- Years before Russian explorers planted their controversial flag in the Arctic seabed last week, Ottawa's Jack MacKenzie planted some of his own.

In 1999, MacKenzie, then 77, was the oldest person in the world to make the trek to the North Pole. And when he finished skiing from the 89th parallel, he pulled three flags from his pack -- one for Canada Post, one for the Year of the Elder, and another for Goulbourn Township, the place he called home.

There was an understanding, backed by a letter from then-president of Canada Post Andre Ouellet, that the voyage would set up a postal outlet for Santa Claus.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/44030ae1-b47b-4fb9-aad2-8e7ea6938e0a/0808northpole375.jpg?size=l
Arctic explorer Jack MacKenzie.

Now 86, MacKenzie considers himself on the fringes of the great Arctic debate, but he still loves adventure.

He still holds the Guinness world record for being the oldest person to trek to the North Pole.

MacKenzie has seen the Arctic change over time. During his last trek, through a southern route of the Northwest Passage last year, there was hardly any ice.

During his travels, he said, it has always been the Russians who have operated the ice breakers and who have had a keen interest in the fate of the North.

MacKenzie said Canada needs to assert itself to get its fair share. But he said no one should get too excited about "riches," since they are four kilometres underneath the ice, and largely hypothetical.

Robert Miller, a professor at the Lewis & Clark Law School in Portland, Ore., said Russia's attempt to prove scientifically that the North Pole is part of Russian territory has been dismissed and mocked internationally, so they planted their flag to rely on the doctrine of discovery, which the Europeans used to justify their takeover of land that was empty or occupied by people they considered pagans.

Many people, like Mackenzie, have spiked their flag into the ice, but Miller said now that mineral riches may be at stake, the claims become more serious.

"We're in a new race for a new world," he said. "We never thought there was anything valuable at the North Pole."

The North Pole is supposed to be an international site, but Canada, Russia, the U.S., Norway and Denmark all have Arctic Circle territories and all are competing to secure rights to the seabed.

Ottawa Citizen

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=257651f4-277f-4a9d-bbf3-6cc302a1e9b5&k=1256


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Re: Canada Post’s flag flew at North Pole before Russia’s [Re: lequebecfume]
    #7274516 - 08/08/07 01:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7277569 - 08/09/07 10:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

An update on the situation:

Russia holds strategic air drills over Arctic

Russia's strategic aviation started Wednesday an active phase of military exercises to fly over the North Pole and conduct test launches of cruise missiles, an Air Force spokesman said.

During the active phase, four Tu-160 Blackjack, 12 Tu-95 Bear-H strategic bombers, and 14 Tu-22 Backfire-C theater bombers will conduct simulated bombing raids, and more than ten cruise missile launches at the Pemboi range near Vorkuta [in Russia's Arctic], and fly over the North Pole, the Pacific, and Atlantic Oceans.

"On Wednesday, Tu-160 and Tu-95 bombers conducted eight successful [test] launches of cruise missiles at designated targets in northern Russia," Colonel Alexander Drobyshevsky said, adding that the planes made over 40 sorties throughout the day.

The Russian aircraft were closely monitored by NATO fighters during the missions.

The spokesman said six long-range aviation regiments were involved in the exercise to practice interaction with fighter aircraft, air refueling, and overcoming enemy air defenses.

Units of the 37th Air Army of the Strategic Command will conduct a total of six tactical exercises in August as part of an annual training program, the Defense Ministry earlier said in a statement.

According to various sources, the Russian Air Force currently deploys 141 Tu-22M3 bombers, 40 Tu-95MS bombers, and 14 Tu-160 planes.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6486

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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: zorbman]
    #7277761 - 08/09/07 12:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

zorbman said:
Resource Wars. Are you ready for the future?




Two points:

First, Russia is most certainly not ready for "the future". Currently they can't even effectively guard their own nuclear arsenal without funding, expertise, and manpower from the US (source: http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005_01-02/Russian_Nuclear.asp ).

They're most likely trying to scare Europe (notably Iceland) with their excersizes in the Arctic.

Second, in another twenty years or so Russia will have a much bigger problem protecting themselves from China than from the US.

Finally, on the issue of "resource wars" I have a hard time believing that they're actually going to happen on a large scale. Maybe on a small scale, maybe a few skirmishes, but if there's one lesson history teaches us it's that when the payoff becomes big enough, people become really innovative really quickly.

Think about how wars used to be fought over farland, or even horse pastures. This seems silly today because advanced farming techniques and transportation improvements made the need for these specific resources obsolete. Today, with the right genetically engineered soybeans, you can feed a population living on almost any sort of terrain.

As oil becomes more scarce, the price will go up, and the payout for a viable alternative will become greater. Once the price becomes right, every private company in the world will be happy to spend billions upon billions of dollars trying to find an alternative. Again, we can look at history to see examples of this at work. The great "search for the Northwest Passage" was carried out by private investors as well as colonial governments until the passage was finally located in the early 20th century (by Amundsen's privately funded expedtion). There is no reason to think similar plans would not be laid to investigate alternative to oil once the price becomes high enough.


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Economist]
    #7279540 - 08/09/07 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You really should read the Hirsch Report and begin to educate yourself on this topic. Getting off oil will be a wrenching change to every facet of our lives. According to President Bush "America is addicted to oil."

So where are the 12 step programs??

Where is the sense of urgency?

The likelyhood is we are going to keep doing what we're doing until we can't do it anymore. And by then it will be too late to avoid massive economic and societal disruptions.

www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/the_hirsch_report.pdf

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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7282343 - 08/10/07 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As the race to back up claims over the resources of the Arctic Ocean heats up, Canada has said it will build two new military bases in its far north.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper made the announcement during a tour of Canada's northern territories.

It comes as a Danish mission prepares to sail to the North Pole to map the seabed under the ice.

Last week, a Russian expedition planted the country's flag on the floor of the Arctic Ocean under the North Pole.


'Use it or lose it'

Mr Harper said a cold-weather army training base would be set up at Resolute Bay and an existing port at a former mine at Nanisivik would be refurbished to supply Arctic patrol vessels.

He said the facilities would bolster Canada's claims to disputed portions of the Arctic.

"Canada's new government understands that the first principle of Arctic sovereignty is use it or lose it," Mr Harper said from Resolute, a small Inuit community about 600km (372 miles) south of the North Pole.

"Today's announcements tell the world that Canada has real, growing, long-term presence in the Arctic."


Polar missions

Melting polar ice has led to competing claims over access to Arctic resources, including the Northwest Passage, a shipping channel between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans currently blocked by ice during the winter months.

Mr Harper announced plans last month to build six naval vessels to patrol the passage.

Canada, Russia, Denmark, Norway and the United States also have competing claims to the seabed below the North Pole, an area containing as much as 25% of the world's undiscovered oil and gas according to a US study.

The area is not currently regarded as part of any single country's territory and is governed instead by complex international agreements.

Last week a Russian expedition sent a mini-submarine to the ocean floor four kilometres (2.5 miles) below the North Pole to further Moscow's claim to the Arctic.

Moscow argues that waters off its northern coast extending to the North Pole belong to its maritime territory because an underwater feature, the Lomonosov Ridge, is an extension of its continental territory.

On Sunday, Denmark is sending a month-long expedition to the North Pole to study the same underwater ridge to see if it is connected to Greenland, a Danish territory.

The Danish team plans collect data to map the seabed under the ice.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6941426.stm



:whatever:

Isn't it ironic how this has all been initiated by melting ice caps, which has been initiated by the burning of the same fossil fuels that they hope to find there?  I must be fucking missing something..


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: elbisivni]
    #7283167 - 08/10/07 10:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't it ironic how this has all been initiated by melting ice caps, which has been initiated by the burning of the same fossil fuels that they hope to find there? I must be fucking missing something..




That is what I have been saying.

You aren't missing anything. We are just living in the last days of a corroding civilization and only a few as yet can see the signs of the times.

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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7284645 - 08/11/07 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



One of two Russian deep-diving miniature submarines is lowered from the research vessel Akademik Fyodorov moments before diving into the Arctic Ocean beneath the North Pole last week. The vessels slipped beneath the ice and descended more than 2 1/2 miles to the ocean floor on a quest to claim Arctic oil and mineral wealth for Russia. The voyage had some scientific goals as well, including studies of the climate, geology and biology of the polar region. "It was so lovely down there," Artur Chilingarov, a prominent polar explorer who descended in the first mini-sub, told Russian news media after the dive. The subs spent about nine hours underwater.
(Vladimir Chistyakov / AP Photo)


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And Now the Danes Join the Russians in the Arctic Oil Stuggle [Re: Diploid]
    #7284661 - 08/11/07 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Expedition seeks proof underwater ridge is connected to their Greenland territory
Aug 11, 2007 04:30 AM

OSLO, Norway–Danish scientists head for the Arctic ice pack tomorrow seeking evidence to position Denmark in the race to claim the North Pole region's potentially vast oil and other resources.

Canada has been making its own moves to strengthen its territorial claims in the Arctic, with Prime Minister Stephen Harper announcing northern initiatives on a three-day swing through the region that ended yesterday.

The month-long Danish expedition will seek evidence that the Lomonosov Ridge, a 2,000-kilometre underwater mountain range, is attached to the Danish territory of Greenland, making it a geological extension of the Arctic island.

That might allow the Nordic country to stake a claim, under a United Nations treaty, that could stretch all the way to the North Pole, although Canada and Russia also claim the ridge.

"The preliminary investigations done so far are very promising," Helge Sander, Denmark's Minister of Science, Technology and Innovation, told Denmark's TV2 on Thursday.

"There are things suggesting that Denmark could be given the North Pole."

The Danes plan to set off from Norway's remote Arctic islands of Svalbard aboard the Swedish icebreaker Oden, which will be assisted by a powerful Russian nuclear icebreaker to plow through ice as thick as five metres, north of Greenland.

"No one has ever sailed in that area. Ships have sailed on the edges of the ice but no one has been in there," said expedition leader Christian Marcussen of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland in Copenhagen. "The challenge for us will be the ice."

The team includes 40 scientists, 10 of them Danish, and the crews of the icebreakers, which will use sophisticated equipment, including sonar, to map the seabed.

"We will be collecting data for a possible (sovereignty) demand," Marcussen said. "It is not our duty to formulate a demand of ownership."

A team of Swedish researchers studying glacial history in the Arctic is also part of the expedition.

Canada, the United States, Russia and Norway have competing claims in the vast Arctic region, where a U.S. study suggests as much as 25 per cent of the world's undiscovered oil and gas could be hidden.

Russia sent two small submarines to plant a tiny national flag under the North Pole two weeks ago, a move Canada ridiculed.

"The Russians sent a submarine to drop a small flag at the bottom of the ocean. We're sending our prime minister to reassert Canadian sovereignty," said one senior government official earlier this week as Harper was set to begin his northern swing.

The race for sovereignty in the Arctic is heating up partly because global warming is shrinking the polar ice, which could one day open up resource development and new shipping lanes.

The pressure is also on the Arctic nations because of the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which gives them 10 years after ratification to prove their claims under the largely uncharted polar ice pack. All but the United States have ratified the treaty.

"The Russians, Canadians and Danes all have overlapping claims in the polar region. It is unclear how this can be resolved," said maritime law expert Oystein Jensen, of Oslo's Fridtjof Nansen Institute. "There is a lot of prestige and vast resources at stake."

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Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7290990 - 08/13/07 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy

Deep-sea deceit: Russia's flag-raising efforts have taken a hit.

Photo: AFP


By Tom Parfitt, Moscow
August 12, 2007

UNEARTHLY blue lights played across the ocean floor four kilometres below the North Pole as the heroic Russian explorers descended in mini-submarines to plant a metre-high flag.

That's what the Russian state television company, Rossiya, wanted us to believe. The truth was rather different.

In an apparent attempt to "sex up" a news program, the TV station has been caught passing off footage from the 1997 Hollywood blockbuster Titanic as a real-life report on the Kremlin's recent attempt to stake its claim to the riches of the Arctic Ocean.

Rossiya's images were distributed around the world, appearing on television news, websites and as "screen grabs" in newspapers.

It took an alert teenager in Finland with a Titanic DVD to spot the sham. Waltteri Seretin, 13, recognised the images in the national daily, Ilta-Sanomat.

"I was looking at the photo of the Russian sub expedition and I noticed immediately that there was something familiar about the picture," he told the paper.

"I checked it with my DVD and there it was, right there in the beginning of the movie; exactly the same image of the submersibles approaching the ship."

James Cameron's film about the 1912 disaster opens with a scene of mini-subs diving to inspect the wreck of the Titanic. In the Russian report, expedition images from the movie were inserted into real footage and bore an on-screen caption reading "northern Arctic Ocean".

As the Titanic images were shown, a correspondent said: "When the mini-submarine got to 300 metres, the unloading of the second sub began."

In fact, a Finnish company made the mini-subs the Russians used and Cameron used them in his film. But it is thought the scene from the movie shown on Russian TV was originally filmed using models in a studio.

Rossiya is one of two state-controlled channels that have been turned into propaganda tools under President Vladimir Putin and it is the second time in two weeks that the Vesti news program has faked a broadcast.

Ten days ago, it mocked up a copy of The Times newspaper to make it appear as though the paper had run a critical article about London-based businessman Boris Berezovsky on its front page. The article actually appeared in the comment section.

Rossiya refused to comment on the polar footage, but the boy who identified it gave a damning indictment of the show. "I have heard that they don't always tell the truth in Russia but I didn't think they could have screwed it up that badly," he said.

Moscow trumpeted the polar expedition as a PR coup in its effort to prove the Arctic is Russian, and veteran explorer Artur Chilingarov and his team returned to a heroes' welcome.

The TV fiasco adds fresh controversy to the expedition, which caused resentment among northern hemisphere nations seeking their share of the Arctic's energy riches - at least 10 billion tonnes of hydrocarbons.

Alexei Simonov, of the Glasnost Defence Foundation, said the channel had attempted to dupe viewers. "This is a sign of the sheer unprofessionalism that reigns when television is turned into a pawn of the authorities," he said.

GUARDIAN


http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/finnish-teen-sinks-russian-tvs-titanic-polar-ploy/2007/08/11/1186530667954.html

still up to their old russian tricks......


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: lequebecfume]
    #7291121 - 08/13/07 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: lequebecfume]
    #7293721 - 08/14/07 11:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rossiya is one of two state-controlled channels that have been turned into propaganda tools under President Vladimir Putin and it is the second time in two weeks that the Vesti news program has faked a broadcast.

Likely Russians will never know they were lied to about this expedition by Russian media under Putin. No wonder his approval ratings are 70%. :shake:


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7293752 - 08/14/07 11:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

eeh they have internet too :smile:


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    #7293888 - 08/14/07 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's filtered, just like in China.


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7293942 - 08/14/07 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

source?


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