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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Arp]
    #7294018 - 08/14/07 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

About 40 posts back. Haven't you been reading?? :rolleyes:


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7294054 - 08/14/07 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

not sure :smile: but when my mate was in russia (some months ago) he didn't have any problems viewing foreign news sites


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Diploid]
    #7294179 - 08/14/07 02:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I will join the army if we go up against russia, they standno chance.


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Re: Russia Trying To Claim Ownership of the Arctic Ocean Floor and its Oil [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
    #7295543 - 08/14/07 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

neither would we, its MAD.


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7296258 - 08/15/07 12:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Rossiya is one of two state-controlled channels that have been turned into propaganda tools under President Vladimir Putin and it is the second time in two weeks that the Vesti news program has faked a broadcast.

Likely Russians will never know they were lied to about this expedition by Russian media under Putin. No wonder his approval ratings are 70%. :shake:




How were Russians lied to? I looked over the article 3 times trying to find one damning item. The news station threw in submarine footage from the movie titanic... anything else? That's no different than a dramatization, and not nearly as bad as much of what is on Fox News.
Your approval rating comment... source? Actually, his rating is high because of how he's improved Russia, not because Titanic footage was displayed in their news.



"Rossiya refused to comment on the polar footage, but the boy who identified it gave a damning indictment of the show. "I have heard that they don't always tell the truth in Russia but I didn't think they could have screwed it up that badly," he said."

Exactly what did they not tell the truth about, and what did they screw up? It sounds as if he's suggesting the expedition did not take place. This, and the article's false but suggestive title "Deep-sea deceit: Russia's flag-raising efforts have taken a hit" read like intended propaganda.


Edited by Disco Cat (08/15/07 02:45 AM)


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7296314 - 08/15/07 01:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you and Diploid should have a fight to the finish.

On the bottom of the Arctic.

Pay per view. I'm there.  :ashamed:


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7296317 - 08/15/07 01:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Arp said:
eeh they have internet too :smile:



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Diploid said:
It's filtered, just like in China.



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Arp said:
source?



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About 40 posts back. Haven't you been reading?? :rolleyes:





I don't remember anyone talking about Russia filtering the internet.

And for the record, they don't.


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7296336 - 08/15/07 01:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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No wonder his approval ratings are 70%.




It's actually above 80%.


From wiki
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In Russia, there exist both, supporters and critics of Putin.

While many reforms made in modern Russia under Putin’s rule were generally criticized by Western media and some American politicians as antidemocratic [82], a joint poll by World Public Opinion in the U. S. and the Levada Center in Russia around June-July 2006 stated that "neither the Russian nor the American publics are convinced Russia is headed in an anti-democratic direction" and "Russians generally support Putin’s concentration of political power and strongly support the re-nationalization of Russia’s oil and gas industry" [83] Russians generally support reforms initiated by Putin's team.[84]

According to public opinion surveys conducted by Levada Center, Putin's approval rating is 81% as of June 2007, and the highest of any leader in the world. [85] It started at 31% in August 1999, rose to 80% by November 1999 and never fell below 65% since then.[86]

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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7296362 - 08/15/07 01:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you related to Putin or something?


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: zorbman]
    #7296384 - 08/15/07 01:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is it wrong to present relevant-to-discussion truth in a political forum? If I don't speak it Diploid will continue to hold on to certain trained fallacies, and he'll be convincing others of the same - just as when he told Arp that Russia filters the internet. Is that preferrable to you?


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7296389 - 08/15/07 01:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't accused you of being off-topic or anything. I'm just curious why you have chosen to defend Putin in such a determined way.

Of all the topics you could comment upon what is it about this particular subject that draws your ire?


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: zorbman]
    #7296412 - 08/15/07 01:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's just the right thing to do for any number of reasons, ranging from "if I didn't, people would otherwise be led to believe what isn't true," to seeing how awfully conditioned the US is, and to what degree US arrogance has resulted in ignorance and recognizing how important it is that something is done about it.


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: zorbman]
    #7296423 - 08/15/07 02:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

RE: The Internet and Russia

It seems there's no proof per se that russia interferes in the web, but there is some speculation, and Russia is investigating whether to take up the practice:

Quote:

Speaking at a conference on "Information Security in Russia in a Global Information Society" on 26 January, Seslavinskii's deputy, Andrei Romanchenko, called for the introduction of content filters on certain segments of the Internet. Romanchenko said that a government policy on filtering would provide society and individual citizens a "defense against harmful and illegal content." He added that content filters are a programming capability for maintaining the "personal hygiene" of the Internet.


SEE http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/02/e3546d2b-71b3-40ac-8d6e-e69d0a35622e.html

speculative government interference:
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"A huge information war awaits Russia before the elections," said Oleg Panfilov of the Center for Journalism in Extreme Situations.

The groups claim the attackers use vast, online networks of computers infected with malicious software — whose owners probably aren't aware they are involved — to paralyze or erase targeted Web sites.

Stanislav Belkovsky, a political analyst believed to have close ties to Kremlin insiders, said a senior associate of President Vladimir Putin is leading the cyber-assault.

The government denies it and insists it has nothing to do with the onslaught. The Kremlin said hackers could easily forge Internet Protocol addresses registered to government offices.


Source via Fox News

and some websites seem afraid the government will crack down, though this doesn't necessarily mean the fears are well-founded
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ast month, the management of a poetry website based in Russia (http://www.stihi.ru) instructed authors to observe certain political censorship requirements, REN-TV reported on 26 January. Authors were forbidden to write about the war in Chechnya or the ongoing protests over the reform of social benefits. They were admonished not to criticize President Vladimir Putin, the government, members of the pro-Kremlin Unified Russia party, or the pro-Putin youth movement Moving Together...
Stihi.ru project manager Dmitrii Kravchuk told REN-TV that "since the [subjects are] rather sensitive, it is easier to limit publications of such works than to try and guess what the president may or may not like."


See: first link

For what its worth, I enjoy the discussion on russia, and if I stop enjoying it, I won't click on this thread anymore...


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7297379 - 08/15/07 12:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How were Russians lied to?

Uh, the government-controlled Rossiya television company plagiarized film of the non-Russian expedition to the Titanic and showed it to Russians, telling them in voice and captions that it was filmed by the Russian government's recent expedition to the North Pole.

Why do I have to spell this out for you? Aren't you reading this thread? :rolleyes:


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7297434 - 08/15/07 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

pretty harmless in comparison to the 2000 presidential election where private media elected bush :biggrin:


Edited by Arp (08/16/07 05:52 AM)


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Arp]
    #7297558 - 08/15/07 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Canada's flag made it to North Pole 33 years before Russia's, diver says
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=f32e56fb-4edd-4c70-883b-dc970160c374

About this 'Titanic' footage.. Can anyone confirm it?  If you've seen the images or have a link to another article please share.  If it turned out to be true it would be quite amusing.  The Russians making clever use of Photoshop, After Effects and Premier in attempts to effect the outcomes of world events :lol: But keep in mind this is the same submersible used in the film, which is why I question the validity of the claim.

Either way, this flag business is meaningless anyway..


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: elbisivni]
    #7297711 - 08/15/07 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

About this 'Titanic' footage.. Can anyone confirm it?

Looks like a Reuter's error was also involved:

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Reuters gets that sinking feeling

Leigh Holmwood
Friday August 10, 2007
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News agency Reuters has been forced to admit that footage it released last week purportedly showing Russian submersibles on the seabed of the North Pole actually came from the movie Titanic.

The images were reproduced around the world - including by the Guardian and Guardian Unlimited - alongside the story of Russia planting its flag below the North Pole on Thursday last week.

But it has now emerged that the footage actually showed two Finnish-made Mir submersibles that were employed on location filming at the scene of the wreck of the RMS Titanic ship in the north Atlantic some 10 years ago.

This footage was used in sequences in James Cameron's 1997 blockbuster about the 1912 disaster.

The mistake was only revealed after a 13-year-old Finnish schoolboy contacted a local newspaper to tell them the images looked identical to those used in the movie.

Reuters has admitted that it took the images from Russian state television channel RTR and wrongly captioned them as file footage originating from the Arctic.

RTR had also used the footage to illustrate stories about the North Pole expedition, but it is thought as library footage, and it never claimed it was actually of the flag-planting.

The pictures were first broadcast by RTR when the Russians were still several hours away from the North Pole.

Reuters distributed a package of clips that included the scenes from Titanic, alongside computer animations and footage of ships on the surface at the North Pole.

In its piece on the subject, two of the four Reuters pictures were from the Titanic filming.

Reuters has now apologised for the error and has made changes to its video material on the expedition, with captions denoting the various origins of the file footage used.

In a statement, Reuters said: "On August 2, 2007 in a TV story about two Russian submersibles planting a flag on the seabed under the North Pole, we used file shots of MIR submersibles as part of this story.

"Reuters mistakenly identified this file footage as originating from the Arctic, and not the North Atlantic where the footage was shot.

"This footage was taken during the search for the Titanic and copyright is held by Russian State broadcaster RTR.

"This location error was corrected as soon as it was brought to our attention. A still image of the submersibles was also taken from the footage and put out on the Reuters photo wire. The caption has been corrected."

The incident is doubly embarrassing for the agency since it follows a case in August last year in which it published an image by a freelancer of Israeli bombings in Lebanon that had been dramatised using photo manipulation, with the addition of smoke rising from allegedly burning buildings.

After that gaffe, Reuters promised to tighten up its controls on material being put out in its name.


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Diploid]
    #7297750 - 08/15/07 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course. Doesn't sound likely that a government would use clips from a box-office movie to fool its citizens.
They probably have enough resources to make their own. Like the fake moon-landing :smile: jk


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Re: Finnish teen sinks Russian TV's titanic polar ploy [Re: Arp]
    #7297846 - 08/15/07 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> Like the fake moon-landing :smile: jk

And Ike said, "Hey look.  Give us your technology, and we'll give you all the cow lips you want." -Sneakers

So does anybody know if they really were able to plant a flag down there, or did the mission fail?


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