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Aliens, Entities and Manifestations
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This post is mainly directed to those who experience "visions" of aliens/entities/other in psychedelic experiences.

What if "Aliens" aren't as real as you thought they were.. what are "Aliens"?

May you ponder..

I feel as if the aliens people see while tripping could just be a manifestation of your subconscious mind. They may appear to you so you actually are forced to believe in the unknown(what can't be seen all the time.) Since there's no other way to "show you" and you don't get the message through feeling.

Though, your mind portrays this to you as symbolism through manifestation as "alien" because the word alien is the only "ALIEN" thing to this planet you know of. Therefore it manifests as aliens, as you previously conceived them in your mind to be.

But really it's just not you understanding, it could be the manifestation of your higher self, the numbers, synchronicities and thoughts, oneness, connectedness coming to me I would say was just me being in tune with my higher self, not "Aliens giving me messages" the unseen force is You. You are the alien. Everything around you is just a reflection of your self.

Maybe aliens and entities in general are just a collective manifestation of the subconscious, we don't know what to believe so we imagine something and hold the belief on the "unknown" and "Aliens" are like a God to you in a sense(believing in what can't be proved/higher power) Except we are the God. We are the Aliens. We are the imagination of ourselves.


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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People used to see Angels... now they see Aliens. They might be the same thing/entity. The amorphous keepers of the gates. Manifesting in a subjective way to the one who is experiencing them. Basically, within our own mental framework, communicating us in a way that we will at the very minimum accept, but all the while confined to our unique dispositions. And it very well could be us who is doing the communicating. Since most of us are so outwardly seeking, we have an unconscious belief that we have to experience something outside of us, when all along the source could be within.


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
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As Robert Anton Wilson and others have noted, if one really looks at the UFO evidence objectively, it is very difficult (if not preposterous) to see these "contactees" as merely having random, disjointed hallucinations. There is an ordering, a hierarchy of patterns involved with what these people report. Moreover, frequently the phenomenon is shared by multiple people (sometimes up to hundreds of them). You've got to admit, at the very least, that some coherent phenomenon is causing a whole crowd of people to "hallucinate" the same thing simultaneously.

The dogmatic materialist's insistence that these happenings are merely delusional and should be shunted off to the garbage pile of worthless information just doesn't fly at all when one looks into the actual evidence -- trustworthy compilations of evidence by impartial and intelligent investigators. There is clearly something more going on than rednecks rambling to tabloid reporters. Whether we need ESP, or the Jungian unconscious, or synchronicity, or non-local transmissions from deep space to explain these phenomena, who knows. (God knows most people aren't ready for that kind of thinking -- especially the dogmatic materialist). But there are orderly phenomena surrounding these UFO mysteries, and have been for decades if not centuries. There are patterns, and independently verified evidence of correlations.

The question should not be "do you or do you not believe in aliens?" but rather "what is the causal factor in these seemingly disparate but definitively related UFO claims?" What is the psychological and neurological reality? Probably not what most people think...


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: DividedQuantum]
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I greatly appreciate your response has probed good insight :smile:

That's what is so confusing to me, it's almost as if it's a mass occurrence, this phenomena.

Now non drug induced sightings is a different topic, there have been countless abduction cases and sightings in history, but whose to say all those occurrences simply were not us. We could be the aliens/ufos.

I'm curious as to why people experience these beings/entities specifically under the influence of psychedelics. These people are experiencing real manifestations of these things. Now in my opinion, these are simply drug induced manifestations; you created them with your mind. They are manifested in form of symbolism for you to understand or place belief in what can't be seen.(Love, the unseen unifying force) usually the people that see these manifestations aren't open totally to psychedelics in the first place, they believe most of what they see is "drug induced" when in reality, it's your mind doing it all, the psych just helps. Psychedelic reality is just as real as this living reality. And I have a hunch the people that don't get that part are the ones whose minds manifest these entities for them.

All I'm saying is in my opinion these occurrences are the minds manifestations, for whatever reason to better uncover the veil of your conscious mind for understanding of what can't be understood fully. In another sense, a spiritual awakening of sorts


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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I feel as if the aliens people see while tripping could just be a manifestation of your subconscious mind. They may appear to you so you actually are forced to believe in the unknown(what can't be seen all the time.) Since there's no other way to "show you"


Yep this is exactly correct.  We are the aliens.  Its hard to explain but theres no seperation from us or any other life forms.

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: nice1returns]
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Sent a chill down my spine

:vibin:


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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Maybe the "aliens" abduct and probe the unconscious, to make them conscious and track their progress. The people that don't experience alien hallucinations already fully believe in them(selves?) Maybe we are the aliens, time traveling back in time from the future to save ourselves from our inevitable destruction. It would make sense to also have alien consciousness in forms of human embodiment, "old souls" could just be a higher evolved species of human, brought here to save a dying breed. At least that's what it feelslike. The higher evolved forms of humans(high spirits) may innately be connecting with their higher self or power which is their futuristic self consciousness. Time traveling through spirit to find yourself.

The aliens(futuristic us) time travel backwards to learn about our history from amnesia due to the death and rebirth cycle. The humans (us currently) time travel forward to learn about the futuristic us, to see where we are headed. Present, past and future all exist simutaneously it would make sense

As we all tread the homeward path.

Bound infinitely and innately by the great unifying force - Love


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/28/16 11:53 AM)

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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Alien has a similar etymology to monster (ungenauer). It means foreigner, or not one of us. Jung spoke of the shadow, of the alienation of self. To Nietzsche evolution that makes the monster. "All great things must first wear monstrous and terrible masks", he said.

The future us is backwards, horrifying and abhorrent. To us that future is distant, forgiven, alien. The vengeful gods of rabbit culture are drawn like falcons, and our own fearful gods are drawn like more evolved versions of ourselves, they touch the future.


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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I don't know but I read recently:
"Much of what we know about aliens comes from what abductees and contactees themselves report. Only when such information is factual and relevant can meaningful conclusions be reached. Fabrication, hallucination, and screen memories obscure the truth, and so various protocols exist to improve the signal to noise ratio. These include cross-correlating multiple eyewitness accounts and using hypnotic regression techniques to bypass the memory blocks and screen memories installed by abductors.

There is yet another source of noise, one not generally known but potentially widespread, which is the mimicry of alien contact by non-alien entities of an occult nature. Through telepathic means, occult entities have the ability to generate controlled hallucinations in the minds of their victims in order to reshape their beliefs and thereby control their behavior..."
http://www.jar-magazine.com/in-depth/43-mimicry-of-alien-contact-by-occult-entities

And..."Occult and spiritual entities: Elements, Daimons, and Gods"
http://www.kheper.net/gaia/consciousness/occult_entities.html

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Very interesting! Thanks for the reply


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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Ever study an insect aka meditate by following and observing it for a few days on end?

Yeah.... it..is something alright, and so are we and all the other ones out there.

This place (universe) is teeming with walkers! haha


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
This place (universe) is teeming with *sleep*walkers! haha



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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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On my last trip on Halloween, I said to the blooming buzzing holy whatever, "Please show yourself for what you really are." And I was suddenly face to face with a ten foot Mantid. :lol: :ooo:

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
On my last trip on Halloween, I said to the blooming buzzing holy whatever, "Please show yourself for what you really are." And I was suddenly face to face with a ten foot Mantid. :lol: :ooo:



Honestly, I don't see how you guys do it.  My first and last big shroom trip I saw snakelike mycelium writhing out of a globe in my head.  For a while I didn't think I'd make it, they were gonna get me.  Why would I repeat that?  I haven't.  In hindsight it was pretty cool and I was fine in a few hours, but still.  That shit is scary.


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. 

Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, 

are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something.   

so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, 

that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” 

Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) 

28th President of the United States

Effects on Humanity's Religions, Beliefs, Politics and Others ...Made by Manipulative Extraterrestrials

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. 

Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, 

are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something.   

so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, 

that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” 

Woodrow Wilson (1856-1924) 

28th President of the United States

Effects on Humanity's Religions, Beliefs, Politics and Others ...Made by Manipulative Extraterrestrials


I heard Wilson liked it up his butt but only in private.


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Publically he was a person who could get a rise out of you.

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
On my last trip on Halloween, I said to the blooming buzzing holy whatever, "Please show yourself for what you really are." And I was suddenly face to face with a ten foot Mantid. :lol: :ooo:



I've seen the mantis. I don't know what it means, but it was fucking scary.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: blingbling]
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Yeah I was 'scanned' by one at a Phish show in 2000, but I thought the experience was seeded by Kat Harrison's mantid trip in True Hallucinations. I face the fear by remembering the mutability of experience and the immovability of the experiencer. Like when Buddha faced Mara, all he did was touch the ground.

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
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