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Aliens, Entities and Manifestations
    #23874748 - 11/28/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This post is mainly directed to those who experience "visions" of aliens/entities/other in psychedelic experiences.

What if "Aliens" aren't as real as you thought they were.. what are "Aliens"?

May you ponder..

I feel as if the aliens people see while tripping could just be a manifestation of your subconscious mind. They may appear to you so you actually are forced to believe in the unknown(what can't be seen all the time.) Since there's no other way to "show you" and you don't get the message through feeling.

Though, your mind portrays this to you as symbolism through manifestation as "alien" because the word alien is the only "ALIEN" thing to this planet you know of. Therefore it manifests as aliens, as you previously conceived them in your mind to be.

But really it's just not you understanding, it could be the manifestation of your higher self, the numbers, synchronicities and thoughts, oneness, connectedness coming to me I would say was just me being in tune with my higher self, not "Aliens giving me messages" the unseen force is You. You are the alien. Everything around you is just a reflection of your self.

Maybe aliens and entities in general are just a collective manifestation of the subconscious, we don't know what to believe so we imagine something and hold the belief on the "unknown" and "Aliens" are like a God to you in a sense(believing in what can't be proved/higher power) Except we are the God. We are the Aliens. We are the imagination of ourselves.

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People used to see Angels... now they see Aliens. They might be the same thing/entity. The amorphous keepers of the gates. Manifesting in a subjective way to the one who is experiencing them. Basically, within our own mental framework, communicating us in a way that we will at the very minimum accept, but all the while confined to our unique dispositions. And it very well could be us who is doing the communicating. Since most of us are so outwardly seeking, we have an unconscious belief that we have to experience something outside of us, when all along the source could be within.


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23874835 - 11/28/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

of course they are manifestations of the subconscious mind.

But we must ask ourselves..why aliens? why is it that we all experience these entities/aliens/ufo's? why dont we experience other things?

just because something exists in the mind doesnt make it any less real if it is truly happening to you.

how do we know aliens didnt set all this up and rig the trip so that we view them?


i have experienced true entity contact 3 times in my psychedelic career.

one was off 4 grams of mushrooms and there was a praying mantis on the foot of my bed and all reality was eminating from its back.

the other was on salvia where these basketball type entities were hopping along above my head. some stopped and asked what i was doing in their world and seemed to be as confused as i was

and the other was my famous "God meeting" where i made it rain and out of my wall hovered a hologramatic golden disc the size of a dinner plate that flew up to my left eye


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23874858 - 11/28/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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of course they are manifestations of the subconscious mind.

But we must ask ourselves..why aliens? why is it that we all experience these entities/aliens/ufo's? why dont we experience other things?

just because something exists in the mind doesnt make it any less real if it is truly happening to you.

how do we know aliens didnt set all this up and rig the trip so that we view them?


i have experienced true entity contact 3 times in my psychedelic career.

one was off 4 grams of mushrooms and there was a praying mantis on the foot of my bed and all reality was eminating from its back.

the other was on salvia where these basketball type entities were hopping along above my head. some stopped and asked what i was doing in their world and seemed to be as confused as i was

and the other was my famous "God meeting" where i made it rain and out of my wall hovered a hologramatic golden disc the size of a dinner plate that flew up to my left eye





See that's the thing, if this stuff happened to me I would end up in a ward probably. I don't see stuff that's not there, that would totally freak me out.

No matter how high I dose, I'm not going to have entities or aliens manifest in my trip, it just doesn't happen. 5g of mushrooms brings me to a white light waiting room. Smoked DMT brought me to the face of my death and beyond, I didn't see anything though. I can feel.

I focus inwards when I trip, I don't focus on visuals, visions or anything of that sense and they don't appear either besides the general morphing/bending/shapes.


I'm wondering how and why people are experiencing these manifestations, and in my opinion it's just the way those people's minds work, they need to see to believe. In my case I only need to feel to believe, so I never see anything?


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23874862 - 11/28/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Eclipse3130 said:
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of course they are manifestations of the subconscious mind.

But we must ask ourselves..why aliens? why is it that we all experience these entities/aliens/ufo's? why dont we experience other things?

just because something exists in the mind doesnt make it any less real if it is truly happening to you.

how do we know aliens didnt set all this up and rig the trip so that we view them?


i have experienced true entity contact 3 times in my psychedelic career.

one was off 4 grams of mushrooms and there was a praying mantis on the foot of my bed and all reality was eminating from its back.

the other was on salvia where these basketball type entities were hopping along above my head. some stopped and asked what i was doing in their world and seemed to be as confused as i was

and the other was my famous "God meeting" where i made it rain and out of my wall hovered a hologramatic golden disc the size of a dinner plate that flew up to my left eye





See that's the thing, if this stuff happened to me I would end up in a ward probably. I don't see stuff that's not there, that would totally freak me out.

No matter how high I dose, I'm not going to have entities or aliens manifest in my trip, it just doesn't happen. 5g of mushrooms brings me to a white light waiting room. Smoked DMT brought me to the face of my death and beyond, I didn't see anything though. I can feel.

I focus inwards when I trip, I don't focus on visuals, visions or anything of that sense and they don't appear either besides the general morphing/bending/shapes.


I'm wondering how and why people are experiencing these manifestations, and in my opinion it's just the way those people's minds work, they need to see to believe. In my case I only need to feel to believe, so I never see anything?






I have tripped many many times. I never thought i would experience such entities but on a special cold windy night if the dose is right...it just may happen TO YOU!

and when it does...you will be ready

i never go into a trip with expectations. i let whatever happen just happen. i tripped over a hundred times easy and 3 times with entity contact isnt much, but i will say those times it did happen were more than legit. it wasnt just my imagination making it happen...it really happened..


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23874877 - 11/28/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting I will keep that in mind.. Yeah you manifested it through subconscious, it actually happened in your reality. I bet if someone was right next to you when it did, they wouldn't be able to see it though. In that sense it's not as real as you thought it was, it's only real as you know real to be: your perspective of reality. In that sense, we are the creators of our own reality, we are a clone or reflection of something the same but not the creator of Reality. A dream of a dream of sorts


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23874892 - 11/28/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Visions of aliens and spaceships are common on Ayahuasca for many people (see below):

From page 416 "Antipodes of the Mind". These are some of the most commonly seen various content items (the core corpus) that Benny Shannon found that he himself and hundreds of interviewers saw with closed eyes on the Caapi/harmala brews: The use of these plants span many thousands of years of history, back to a time where it was once consumed and revered for its ability to bring someone into contact with spiritual realities, the obtaining of secret inner knowledge, and visionary experiences of a divine world.

   
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Super-categories:
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    Human beings
    Natural animals
    Phatasmagoria/supernatural
    Architecture
    Objects
    Plants
    Personal biography

    Categories:
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    Mammals
    Objects of art and magic
    Birds
    Royal and religious figures
    Landscapes
    Palaces and temples
    Non-natural animals
    Heavenly scenes
    Reptiles
    Divine beings
    Cities
    Vehicles

    Details:
    -------------
    Felines
    Waterscapes
    Flowers
    Objects of gold
    Serpents
    Processions
    Dancing women
    Forests
    Temples
    Semi-divine beings
    Royal figures
    Enchanted cities
    Open landscapes
    Palaces
    Angels and transparent beings
    Gardens
    Royal objects

    Details:
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    Serpents
    Nymphs
    ETs and spaceships
    Royal figures
    Flowers
    Royal objects
    Chimera and winged beings
    Enchanted cities
    Religious figures
    Angels and transparent beings
    Waterscapes
    Objects of gold
    Forests
    Armoury
    Guides and guardians
    Felines
    Egyptian scenes
    Personal acquaintances
    ancient civilizations
    celestial scenes
    creatures and beings
    Encounters with the Divine
    Sea creatures
    Insects
    Celestial voyages
    Cities
    Mythology
    Symbols
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: tregar]
    #23874968 - 11/28/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think that psychedelics peel back the "fabrics of reality", and show you the real truth of what's out there. The reality we're living in right now is fake, and it's on purpose because some people couldn't handle the surrealness 24/7. But when we take psychedelics, we peer into other dimensions layered on top of ours.

The entities reside in the other dimensions, and we can see/talk to them while on psychedelics. Every entity I've talked to doesn't feel like it's me. They feel so separate.

Just my take.


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Kinshino]
    #23874983 - 11/28/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Agree with Kinshino, in that there are multiple realities or dimensions.

Graham Hancock recounts how he saw an alien appear on Ayahuasca in his book "Supernatural" (short quote):
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Aliens and dragons

21 January. The visions begin with 20 minutes of geometry; then suddenly I find myself looking, at very close range, into a shockingly 'alien' face, grey in colour, with a wide domed forehead and a narrow pointed chin - heart-shaped like the faces of the 'light-beings' I'd encountered a few days earlier. But this creature doesn't look friendly. Its eyes are multi-segmented like those of a fly. Frankly, it's the sort of image you'd expect to see adorning some far-fetched X-Files expose, and since aliens and ETs have never been interests of mine, I'm really puzzled to experience such a hallucination. In the part of my mind that is still dealing with reasoning I can already see the way that scep*tics who have never taken ayahuasca are bound to read it. They must argue that there is no mystery in the appearance of entities like this in my hallucinations because, regardless of my lack of enthusiasm for aliens, my brain has had the opportunity to borrow such imagery from popular culture. Still, I feel unaccountably shaken and perplexed by what I've just seen.

A short while later, out of a background of shifting geometrical patterns, a beautiful Egyptian goddess appears. I see only her head and headdress clearly. She's in full regalia. Then she vanishes as abruptly and mysteriously as she arrived.




More elaboration on ET's seen on Ayahuasca from Benny Shannon's book "Antipodes of the mind" short quote:

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Mythological and Phantasmagoric Beings and Creatures seen on Ayahuasca

Beings and creatures that are neither human nor naturalistic animals are common in Ayahuasca visions. Mythological and phantasmagoric animals were commented upon above; the other beings and creatures may be divided into several types.

First are mythological beings and creatures. The epithet 'mythological' is employed here to denote beings and scenes that are not part and parcel of ordinary reality, present or past, nor of realms interpreted as being heavenly or divine. The mythological beings and creatures at hand may or may not be drawn from the cultural heritage of the Ayahuasca drinkers. I myself have seen such creatures only on a few occasions. Mythological beings reported to me by many informants included little green men, gnomes and elves, fairies, and monsters of all sorts. Various creatures characterized as 'Ayahuasca beings' pertain to this type as well. Many times, the creatures seen are said to be playful and mischievous (but at the same time benevolent).

Second are chimeras (in the broad sense of the term) or hybrid creatures that is, creatures which are half-human, half-animal. Of these, by far the most frequent are mermaids creatures that are half-woman, half-fish. Also reported are hybrids of humans and felines, reptiles, birds, and canines. Interestingly, such creatures are also common in indigenous reports (see, for instance, Waisbard, 1958/9 as well as the paintings presented in Luna and Amaringo, 1993).

A special category is that of creatures with multiple faces. Usually, these creatures are encountered in heavenly scenes in which the drinker feels that some ultimate secrets are being revealed to him or her. These are reminiscent of the Divine beings described in the visions of the biblical prophet Ezekiel as well as in the Apocalypse of St John. Both I and several of my informants had such visions Especially remarkable is a grand vision in which one informant saw a creature with a great number of faces, each pertaining to a different animal. This creature was conceived of by the informant as the embodiment of all Life.7 The multiple faces may also appear sequentially. Thus, one informant saw a human face changing, in succession, to the face of a puma, a tiger, and a wolf.

Third are beings referred to as extraterrestrials. Often these are seen along with spaceships. For some individuals these are especially common.

Fourth are angels and other celestial beings. The term 'angels' refers to winged humanlike beings made of light. Indeed, several informants have explained to me that the wings consist precisely of this powerful light. Other, very common, supernatural humanlike beings are transparent figures. These are usually perceived as beings made of exceedingly delicate white webs of energy. Often they are explicitly described as 'beings of light'. Several depictions of these are found in the Amaringo paintings (see e.g. Luna and Amaringo, 1993: PI. 36).

Fifth are semi-divine beings, that is divine beings which are not God. The most prominent of these is the figure of a beautiful bearded man in the prime of life. The man is clad in a simple white garment whose margins are often finely embroidered. Invariably, the man is seen en face (relative to the viewer), he radiates good energy and is full of love. Many of my informants identified this person as Jesus Christ. Also very common is a benevolent female figure standardly taken to be the Virgin Mary. Conceivably, the great frequency with which these figures appear in visions of my informants may be attributed to the Christian and semi-Christian contexts in which Ayahuasca is often taken.8'9 I should note, however, that on several occasions, I too have seen both the male and the female figures of the type just noted. Other beings of the same category that I have seen are the Buddha and various Hindu and pre-Columbian deities. With open eyes, in the sky, I once saw the figure of the mischievous Hindu divine being Ganesh. Deities and divine beings reported to me by informants included ones pertaining to ancient Egypt, India, and various pre-Columbian cultures.





Edited by tregar (11/28/16 11:47 AM)


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Kinshino]
    #23875017 - 11/28/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Kinshino said:

The entities reside in the other dimensions, and we can see/talk to them while on psychedelics. Every entity I've talked to doesn't feel like it's me. They feel so separate.

Just my take.




And don't all those dimensions reside within our minds.. Perhaps it doesn't feel like you because it is "Alien" to you. You don't understand it. You have amnesia from the death and rebirth cycle

Maybe the "aliens" abduct and probe the unconscious, to make them conscious and track their progress. The people that don't experience alien hallucinations already fully believe in them(selves?) Maybe we are the aliens, time traveling back in time from the future to save ourselves from our inevitable destruction. It would make sense to also have alien consciousness in forms of human embodiment, "old souls" could just be a higher evolved species of human, brought here to save a dying breed. At least that's what it feelslike. The higher evolved forms of humans(high spirits) may innately be connecting with their higher self or power which is their futuristic self consciousness. Time traveling through spirit to find yourself.

The aliens(futuristic us) time travel backwards to learn about our history from amnesia due to the death and rebirth cycle. The humans (us currently) time travel forward to learn about the futuristic us, to see where we are headed. Present, past and future all exist simutaneously it would make sense that "time travel" is just layers of reality in other words dimensions of reality, they all exist simutaneously and to peer into them is as easy as allowing your consciousness to shift and drift in a psychedelic (vulnerable open state)

As we all tread the homeward path.

Bound infinitely and innately by the great unifying force - Love

Alien has a similar etymology to monster (ungenauer). It means foreigner, or not one of us. Jung spoke of the shadow, of the alienation of self. To Nietzsche evolution that makes the monster. "All great things must first wear monstrous and terrible masks", he said.

The future us is backwards, horrifying and abhorrent. To us that future is distant, forgiven, alien. The vengeful gods of rabbit culture are drawn like falcons, and our own fearful gods are drawn like more evolved versions of ourselves, they touch the future.



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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"


Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/28/16 12:04 PM)


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23876126 - 11/28/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think the visuals are all very subjective. One person may see their religious idol, another person may see their family or themself, another person may see aliens or self dribbling basketball elves. I think it has a lot to do with our expectations and imaginative structure. You can't see something that you're not open to imagining. So you'll never see aliens if they're not a concept you believe is possible.

The subject may be different for anyone, but the underlying theme seems to be awe-striking intelligence from beyond. Colorful, infinite, divine. From beyond our spacious earth, or beyond this dimension, or beyond our awareness of ourselves.


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Icon]
    #23876594 - 11/28/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the visuals are all very subjective. One person may see their religious idol, another person may see their family or themself, another person may see aliens or self dribbling basketball elves. I think it has a lot to do with our expectations and imaginative structure. You can't see something that you're not open to imagining. So you'll never see aliens if they're not a concept you believe is possible.

The subject may be different for anyone, but the underlying theme seems to be awe-striking intelligence from beyond. Colorful, infinite, divine. From beyond our spacious earth, or beyond this dimension, or beyond our awareness of ourselves.





I disagree.

I grew up christain and never thought of aliens or UFOs and didnt read anything before my DMT breakthrough where a spaceship slowly flew up to me. It resembled the Millennium Falcon in shape and i absolutely hated star wars.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23876636 - 11/28/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Icon said:
I think the visuals are all very subjective. One person may see their religious idol, another person may see their family or themself, another person may see aliens or self dribbling basketball elves. I think it has a lot to do with our expectations and imaginative structure. You can't see something that you're not open to imagining. So you'll never see aliens if they're not a concept you believe is possible.

The subject may be different for anyone, but the underlying theme seems to be awe-striking intelligence from beyond. Colorful, infinite, divine. From beyond our spacious earth, or beyond this dimension, or beyond our awareness of ourselves.




I disagree.

I grew up christain and never thought of aliens or UFOs and didnt read anything before my DMT breakthrough where a spaceship slowly flew up to me. It resembled the Millennium Falcon in shape and i absolutely hated star wars.




But the fact that you know what ufo's and aliens are enables you to imagine them, even if you've never seen anything like it before. That's why you're most likely to compare an unbelievable dmt visual to a spaceship or alien because they're conceptual icons of the unknown and unrealized.

Just like anyone who's watched a pop-youtube video on dmt has probably familiarized themselves with the term "elf". The description is vague and open to imagination but for many new users it's the only reference they know so it's all they can describe their experience as.


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Icon]
    #23876881 - 11/28/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

One word: pareidolia

Your brain has the most sophisticated facial recognition software on earth and it is programmed to recognize potential dangers like people, snakes, spiders etc. When on psychedelics, the "noise" level gets turned up on your brain's interpretive software and it starts inventing more and more rather than taking in stimulus, to where the facial recognition programming and other preset, evolved modes of cognition end up going into overdrive. Where does the stuff it invents come from, if not actual outside? Memory, the unconscious and collective unconscious/archetypal images.

Why are aliens an archetypal image? Good fucking question.
:trippy:

The thing I find more interesting, is why all the fractals and sacred geometry? If you look at the art in Iranian mosques, it looks so much like LSD or DMT visuals that it's kind of mind blowing. Were they on something or just tapping into the same part of the mind? Why are those patterns in our mind and do they have some kind of significance? They certainly elicit a certain feeling of awe and reverence, but why?


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23876962 - 11/29/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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P.Zappatecorum said:
One word: pareidolia





Agreed on pareidolia.
I think this is more apparent in some than others,
Even low dose LSD and I'm seeing 'entities' :whippedcreamhead:


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The thing I find more interesting, is why all the fractals and sacred geometry? If you look at the art in Iranian mosques, it looks so much like LSD or DMT visuals that it's kind of mind blowing. Were they on something or just tapping into the same part of the mind? Why are those patterns in our mind and do they have some kind of significance? They certainly elicit a certain feeling of awe and reverence, but why?





Form Constants.

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It is believed that the reason why these form constants appear has to do with the way the visual system is organized, and in particular in the mapping between patterns on the retina and the columnar organization of primary visual cortex. Concentric circles in the retina are mapped into parallel lines in visual cortex. Spirals, tunnels, lattices and cobwebs map into lines in different directions. This means that if activation spreads in straight lines within the visual cortex, the experience is equivalent to looking at actual form constants.[1]
Author Michael Moorcock once observed in print that the shapes he had seen during his migraine headaches resembled exactly the form of fractals. The diversity of conditions that provoke such patterns suggests that form constants reflect some fundamental property of visual perception.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_constant


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #23876993 - 11/29/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Icon]
    #23877308 - 11/29/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the visuals are all very subjective. One person may see their religious idol, another person may see their family or themself, another person may see aliens or self dribbling basketball elves. I think it has a lot to do with our expectations and imaginative structure. You can't see something that you're not open to imagining. So you'll never see aliens if they're not a concept you believe is possible.

The subject may be different for anyone, but the underlying theme seems to be awe-striking intelligence from beyond. Colorful, infinite, divine. From beyond our spacious earth, or beyond this dimension, or beyond our awareness of ourselves.




I disagree.

I grew up christain and never thought of aliens or UFOs and didnt read anything before my DMT breakthrough where a spaceship slowly flew up to me. It resembled the Millennium Falcon in shape and i absolutely hated star wars.




But the fact that you know what ufo's and aliens are enables you to imagine them, even if you've never seen anything like it before. That's why you're most likely to compare an unbelievable dmt visual to a spaceship or alien because they're conceptual icons of the unknown and unrealized.

Just like anyone who's watched a pop-youtube video on dmt has probably familiarized themselves with the term "elf". The description is vague and open to imagination but for many new users it's the only reference they know so it's all they can describe their experience as.





i disagree :shrug:

i refuse to sweep it under the rug because i simply knew what UFOs were. This doesnt explain why one flew up to my left eye that night


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23877829 - 11/29/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i disagree :shrug:

i refuse to sweep it under the rug because i simply knew what UFOs were. This doesnt explain why one flew up to my left eye that night



Think about it this way. Have you ever seen a movie with a UFO? Bam. Now you know where it came from. Anything in your memory can pop up in the psychedelic realm, which has been shown to be very similar cognitively to the dreamspace. You're basically dreaming awake. If you think your dreams are real then ok sure, your visions are too. They're real in the sense that they are valid psychological phenomena that may have personal, subjective veracity, but in terms of the shared, external reality they are nothing but electrical charges running through your meat computer.

I have REM sleep disorder, which basically means my brain doesn't dream properly and I have a weird state of half-dream half- psychosis and I'm not paralyzed during it so I run around the house, attack my wife, break lamps yell and scream at invisible monsters and all kind of stupid bullshit if I don't take medication.

One of the recurring delusions I have at night is that aliens with tentacles are coming in and butt probing me. God knows why. I think my hairy ass gets sweaty and tickles me in the middle of the night. The neighbors have an automatic spotlight that shines through the curtains and looks like fucking Roswell in the middle of the night and sets me off too. So, if I were some hillbilly living in the sticks alone, I would probably be convinced that I am special, that aliens visit me all the time and want to probe my butt.

Luckily, I am not an inbred halfwit dingus, I realize I have a medical condition, that my ass hair is probably tickling me in the middle of the night, that the alien spotlights are from the neighbor, the sounds of the mothership are the streetsweeping machine passing by and if I take some Klonopin I will have regular dreams like a normal person and the "aliens" will leave me the fuck alone.

Don't let drugs sell you on a line of bullshit my friend. Enjoy them, but keep it rational in your waking life. Or not, I know some people love the Tao of Woo and there's no arguing with them. But really, if there were aliens they'd either save us from ourselves, enslaves us or kill us off. They wouldn't send UFOs through plant smoke and dreams and obsessively probe our anal cavities.


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23877862 - 11/29/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then why dont i get UFO's everytime?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23877943 - 11/29/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Then why dont i get UFO's everytime?



Why don't you have the same trip every time? Or the same dreams every night? I would say it would be more convincing if your entities were always the same and were more elaborate.

Recurring dreams are pretty common and even then, my butt-alien nightmares are never the same and are very sketchy and dreamlike in their nonsensical, psycho-mimetic nature.

I have had a shit-ton of entity contact on psychedelics and were I an ignorant native in the jungle I'd think they were hekura or deities, sure. They always have a very numinous aura about them and they have a physical, palpable otherness and psychic connection where I feel their thoughts telepathically. I don't generally dose high enough to hear them outright.

I always listen to classical music while tripping with the lights off and while really tripping hard the instruments become the voices of the entities and the entities are the physical embodiment of the sound, it's a form of synesthesia. Psychedelics have a powerful way of making you feel another presence, which is again a naturally evolved cognitive heuristic because we are highly social animals and need to know when an "other" is present.

Take the LSD "psychic" phenomenon, lots of people feel psychically connected to each other during group trips, but if you have a sober sitter who doesn't believe in woo, they won't feel that connection and will tell you you're full of shit and weren't reading their mind, that their experience was totally different, it's a projection of the "other" from your mind and group psychology tends to make people all tripping together more gullible to the power of suggestion. I think that feeling of connection with the other is the first stage of ego loss, where you merge with the universe and realize that the only thing that separates Brahman from Atman is your ego. Only, here, you feel connected to the other because your self has not quite merged with it.

I have high school friends that suffer from schizophrenia. They have entity contact all the time. At a certain point, pareidolia can be so extreme as to not only find faces in nothing, but to put a voice and a sense of otherness on those hallucinations and believe they are actually a truly separate being. I know I won't sway you toward a more reasonable stance, but really, try reading more neuroscience and less mojojojo. It does a body good.
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Re: Aliens, Entities and Manifestations [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23877952 - 11/29/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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One word: pareidolia





Agreed on pareidolia.
I think this is more apparent in some than others,
Even low dose LSD and I'm seeing 'entities' :whippedcreamhead:


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The thing I find more interesting, is why all the fractals and sacred geometry? If you look at the art in Iranian mosques, it looks so much like LSD or DMT visuals that it's kind of mind blowing. Were they on something or just tapping into the same part of the mind? Why are those patterns in our mind and do they have some kind of significance? They certainly elicit a certain feeling of awe and reverence, but why?





Form Constants.

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It is believed that the reason why these form constants appear has to do with the way the visual system is organized, and in particular in the mapping between patterns on the retina and the columnar organization of primary visual cortex. Concentric circles in the retina are mapped into parallel lines in visual cortex. Spirals, tunnels, lattices and cobwebs map into lines in different directions. This means that if activation spreads in straight lines within the visual cortex, the experience is equivalent to looking at actual form constants.[1]
Author Michael Moorcock once observed in print that the shapes he had seen during his migraine headaches resembled exactly the form of fractals. The diversity of conditions that provoke such patterns suggests that form constants reflect some fundamental property of visual perception.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_constant




If I close my eyes, and focus intently long enough, I can see entities which were a lot more profound while tripping.
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One word: pareidolia

Your brain has the most sophisticated facial recognition software on earth and it is programmed to recognize potential dangers like people, snakes, spiders etc. When on psychedelics, the "noise" level gets turned up on your brain's interpretive software and it starts inventing more and more rather than taking in stimulus, to where the facial recognition programming and other preset, evolved modes of cognition end up going into overdrive. Where does the stuff it invents come from, if not actual outside? Memory, the unconscious and collective unconscious/archetypal images.

Why are aliens an archetypal image? Good fucking question.
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The thing I find more interesting, is why all the fractals and sacred geometry? If you look at the art in Iranian mosques, it looks so much like LSD or DMT visuals that it's kind of mind blowing. Were they on something or just tapping into the same part of the mind? Why are those patterns in our mind and do they have some kind of significance? They certainly elicit a certain feeling of awe and reverence, but why?





I always wondered about this..


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