twighead said:

Though what I do find amusing is that both trump and hillary supporters seem to specialize in ad hominems since neither have actual policies to debate

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twighead said:

I'm 100% down with that and you're always on the ball with open debate, I just find most of my interactions are no substance and a 'bern bot' here and a 'libtard' there

And I don't disagree necessarily with a lot of his positions either. I just find them often to feel hazy - as if they don't seem to hold much weight in his mind and are highly subject to change.

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Webster10 said:

Yeah, because the people who donated to Bernie are SO smart. So smart that their candidate of choice didn't even make it to the convention. The only people who want a do over are butthurt BernBots

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qman said:

twighead said:

I'm 100% down with that and you're always on the ball with open debate, I just find most of my interactions are no substance and a 'bern bot' here and a 'libtard' there

And I don't disagree necessarily with a lot of his positions either. I just find them often to feel hazy - as if they don't seem to hold much weight in his mind and are highly subject to change.

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It kind of boils down to Trump/Sanders saying "I want to make America great again!", Hillary just stated "America is already great!".

Well, I could make a long list of reasons how much the US has fallen down the toilet bowl to prove Hillary has very low standards, but for the very rich everything is just fine, why change anything?

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

twighead said:

I'm 100% down with that and you're always on the ball with open debate, I just find most of my interactions are no substance and a 'bern bot' here and a 'libtard' there

And I don't disagree necessarily with a lot of his positions either. I just find them often to feel hazy - as if they don't seem to hold much weight in his mind and are highly subject to change.

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It kind of boils down to Trump/Sanders saying "I want to make America great again!", Hillary just stated "America is already great!".

Well, I could make a long list of reasons how much the US has fallen down the toilet bowl to prove Hillary has very low standards, but for the very rich everything is just fine, why change anything?

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I could make a long list of reasons why you are voting for it.

You know, if Rand Paul had been the nominee, you probably would have had a lot of Bernie supporters on board. I know I would have voted Rand over Clinton.

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twighead said:

He's like Ron Paul, Establishment flavor

I like what Trump has to say about reduction of corruption, and voting fraud. I like non-interventionist ideas he's stated, but then he also states wanting to increase military budget which seems a bit contradictory. I like that he is against the TPP (though uses China labor himself..) - I like that he wants to raise minimum wage (something that seems to contradict most of his supporters).

I do not like that he is pro-patriot act, I do not like that he wants to completely remove all government funding of NASA (we shouldn't be totally reliant on the private sector for something that important). He does not support decriminalization of drugs. He supports drug testing welfare recipients which has been proven to be ineffectual and a waste of money. Wants to increase spending in many regions but decrease tax greatly which doesn't seem to equate to a balanced budget?

And uhhh yeah that basically wraps up the things that stand out in my mind.

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fivepointer said:

So it looks like The Great Orange One might run with Krispy Kreme Christie.  Wow, what a fail ticket.  Christie wants to up the NJ gas tax 23 cents and everyone hates him.

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hostileuniverse said:

fivepointer said:

So it looks like The Great Orange One might run with Krispy Kreme Christie.  Wow, what a fail ticket.  Christie wants to up the NJ gas tax 23 cents and everyone hates him.

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"The Great Orange One"? Is that what you have against him, the color of his skin? Sounds fucking racist to me...

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lurkmode said:

no ... what most right-wing, low IQ, racist male is thinking. I know you're counted in that but the vast majority of Americans think Drumpf - and everything that he says - is beyond stupid.

You like the stupid candidate from the party of stupid. How does that make you feel?

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The possibility of a president who actually loves America and will stand up for its citizens?