burgerbrain said:

Cognitive_Shift said:

Collecting taxes is extorting people with the threat of prison, but I would rather be extorted and have highways, fire department, police department, school system ect ect then keep my tax money and not have those things.

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Actually the private market can do all of those things, just better, and with less financial waste.

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Prisoner#1 said:

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burgerbrain said:

Cognitive_Shift said:

Collecting taxes is extorting people with the threat of prison, but I would rather be extorted and have highways, fire department, police department, school system ect ect then keep my tax money and not have those things.

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Actually the private market can do all of those things, just better, and with less financial waste.

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that doesnt mean you'll pay less, it also doesnt mean you'll like the penalties
imposed when you fail to pay your highway usage fees, a monthly subscription that
allows the private companies to maintain the highways, $50 a month doesnt seem
like much but that could be a lowball rate, maybe it's a variable rate based on
milage and maybe they'll just take your car when they catch you on the road, I
know I wouldnt like it if I forgot to pay my fire 'insurance'. it could mean that
if my house catches fire they simply dont come to put it out, it could also mean
the come to burn it down to stress how important it is to pay those premiums. I'd
love to sue them or have them arrested but they're friends with the local
security goons who wont investigate because they havent been paid, they want
$300/day plus expenses and even if they're caught, I probably wont have a house
because there's no courts to litigate through.... this leaves me one option,
shoot some mother fuckers but then maybe the family of the guy I just killed has
the $300/day to pay for an investigation where they just determine my guilt and
shoot me on the spot


yep... private is sounding better every minute

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Prisoner#1 said:

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burgerbrain said:

Cognitive_Shift said:

Collecting taxes is extorting people with the threat of prison, but I would rather be extorted and have highways, fire department, police department, school system ect ect then keep my tax money and not have those things.

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Actually the private market can do all of those things, just better, and with less financial waste.

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that doesnt mean you'll pay less, it also doesnt mean you'll like the penalties
imposed when you fail to pay your highway usage fees, a monthly subscription that
allows the private companies to maintain the highways, $50 a month doesnt seem
like much but that could be a lowball rate, maybe it's a variable rate based on
milage and maybe they'll just take your car when they catch you on the road, I
know I wouldnt like it if I forgot to pay my fire 'insurance'. it could mean that
if my house catches fire they simply dont come to put it out, it could also mean
the come to burn it down to stress how important it is to pay those premiums. I'd
love to sue them or have them arrested but they're friends with the local
security goons who wont investigate because they havent been paid, they want
$300/day plus expenses and even if they're caught, I probably wont have a house
because there's no courts to litigate through.... this leaves me one option,
shoot some mother fuckers but then maybe the family of the guy I just killed has
the $300/day to pay for an investigation where they just determine my guilt and
shoot me on the spot


yep... private is sounding better every minute

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hostileuniverse said:

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Bigbadwooof said:

hostileuniverse said:

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This thread is for cartoons.

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hostileuniverse said:

Bigbadwooof said:

hostileuniverse said:

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This thread is for cartoons.

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Bernie is a cartoon

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Cognitive_Shift said:

Of course no one likes getting money extorted from them (it's not paying taxes, it's being strong armed for taxes) for taxes.  However we need taxes for important infrastructure, services and institutions.  The question is what is a reasonable tax rate?  I think the real problem is the corporate tax loop holes that allow american based multi-national corporations to get away with paying $0.00.

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hostileuniverse said:

Not being strong armed? You do realize if you don't pay your taxes, men with guns will come to your house and kidnap you and hold you for an amount of time people you've never even met will determine, you know, like if you're growing pot

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Bigbadwooof said:

hostileuniverse said:

Not being strong armed? You do realize if you don't pay your taxes, men with guns will come to your house and kidnap you and hold you for an amount of time people you've never even met will determine, you know, like if you're growing pot

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... I understand that you feel the need to redefine things in order to make your point, and Stefan Molyneux has brainwashed you, but let's just say it like it is.

If you refuse to be an upstanding citizen and pay your taxes, you will be arrested.

You should be thankful that you are privileged enough to live in such a great nation, and happy to pay your dues to it. As I said, stop crying about taxes like a fucking child. You make more money than almost everyone on the planet, and you enjoy the luxury of the society that your taxes pay for.

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hostileuniverse said:

Bigbadwooof said:

hostileuniverse said:

Not being strong armed? You do realize if you don't pay your taxes, men with guns will come to your house and kidnap you and hold you for an amount of time people you've never even met will determine, you know, like if you're growing pot

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... I understand that you feel the need to redefine things in order to make your point, and Stefan Molyneux has brainwashed you, but let's just say it like it is.

If you refuse to be an upstanding citizen and pay your taxes, you will be arrested.

You should be thankful that you are privileged enough to live in such a great nation, and happy to pay your dues to it. As I said, stop crying about taxes like a fucking child. You make more money than almost everyone on the planet, and you enjoy the luxury of the society that your taxes pay for.

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So everyone doing drugs should just stop doing them and be happy they live here? The law is the law, right? How about you stop crying like a child when someone speaks out against your benevolent govt? Freedom of speech? Ever heard of it?

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hostileuniverse said:

Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

hostileuniverse said:

Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.

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Wrong.  The United States imposed income taxes during the Civil War to help pay for it.

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hostileuniverse said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

hostileuniverse said:

Before 1913, we had no federal income tax, won many wars and had robust economic growth. The assertion this country was "built on taxes" is ridiculous. This country was built on hard work and the opportunity for success, something you libs seem hellbent on destroying.

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Wrong.  The United States imposed income taxes during the Civil War to help pay for it.

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And afterward, repealed it, right?

There is no reason we should be paying the excessive taxes we do, and the govt still got us 20 TRILLION in debt, it's ridiculous, if the federal govt can't live within its means, like every family is expected to do, then we need change, and lots of it

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