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OfflineDeiymiyan
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Swami]
    #2169238 - 12/08/03 03:24 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

"Read Francis Crick's book on the discovery of the double-helix. He mentioned nothing like that."
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You are correct in saying that it is not publicly mentionned. As I said, it may simply be a rumor.


This was not an attempt at discrediting mind you. I was just curious.


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Dei Gratia de integro,

Veni Vidi Vici:

In Nomine Domini..


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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Swami]
    #2169254 - 12/08/03 03:34 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a link to a thread I started awhile back about Psychedelics and evolution.  I'm only posting it because I've been seeing the same arguements being rehashed all over again in several new threads in the forum.  Also iin this thread is a link to ANOTHER thread on the same topic started by pattern, I think.  This thread is also excellent. 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum11&Number=2053735&Forum=

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The original poster makes a claim that man evolved with psychadelics and it is refuted with the arguement that shrooms won't change your genetics anymore than weighlifting will make your offspring stronger...





First of all, the assumption that since mushrooms dont have a direct effect on the user's DNA means that they havent influenced our evolution is asinine, and indicates a profound lack of understanding of the science of evolution. 

Evolution predates DNA.  Or do you think that Darwin was some kind of anachronistic geneticist who used his time-travelin choo-choo train to go back to the 1800's and set up shop?  :lol:

Anyway, I think its pretty safe to assume that every aspect of our natural environment has had some effect on our evolution.  And many socio-cultural factors have had evolutionary impacts as well. Being that mushrooms and certain other substances directly effect the brain and nervous system, and that they are aspects of both our natural and social environment, I would say its pretty safe to assume that they meet the qualifications of an evolutionary stressor on the brain.  The impacts of this stressor have not been fully explored, but I do believe they have been mostly positive.

Edited by DoctorJ (12/08/03 03:37 PM)

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2170192 - 12/08/03 10:15 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, the assumption ... is asinine,

Anyway, I think its pretty safe to assume...

I would say its pretty safe to assume...


Your thoughts about safety mean nothing. How about some ACTUAL references.


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Invisiblemedicinebag
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Swami]
    #2173134 - 12/12/03 02:29 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Swami,

How come you didn't respond to my post?

The one about hunting on medicine. It should be addressed. Later, Chief.

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OfflineSpokesman
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: medicinebag]
    #2174651 - 12/13/03 12:17 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe the reason that the people coming up with all the scientific breakthroughs today arent mushroom users (Pretending the assumption is a fact anyway), Is the same reason why there hasnt BEEN ANY MAJOR Brakethroughs at all in a number of years. Everything we once invented has been simply made 1,000 times better thats it. If i recall history corectly the last scientific breakthrough was the computer in the late 70s early 80s. Just as this country was coming out of its "LSD" period. The computer, technology now embraced by many Psychadelic users. Hmmm.....


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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Spokesman]
    #2174675 - 12/13/03 12:35 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Saying that the last scientific breakthrough was the computer is like saying that the Stealth fighter jet isn't all that different from the Wright Brothers' contraption.


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OfflinePositronius
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Sclorch]
    #2174825 - 12/13/03 01:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

the difference between the stealth fighter and the wright brothers is computer technology.


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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2174873 - 12/13/03 02:14 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

the argument that eating mushrooms catalyzed the evolution of human conscousness or whatever is based on a flawed idea of both biology and evolution.

can someone please describe the exact mechanism by which using psychedelics could have caused "mental evolution" to take place? (also: please define "mental evolution").

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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: ]
    #2174924 - 12/13/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

making art

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OfflineSpokesman
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2174988 - 12/13/03 03:01 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

music


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OfflinePanoramix
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Re: nooo.....it's MENTAL EVOLUTION SWAMI [Re: Spokesman]
    #2176733 - 12/14/03 12:23 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

The generation of advancements in methods of production?
The development of highly effective memes that impact a society's culture?  Are people arguing that mushrooms may have caused real physiological changes in the human brain?  Sounds a bit dubious to me, but then, what do I know?

These sorts of changes are really quite vague.  Frankly, the shapes clouds can take might have had as much of an effect as mushrooms.  But I'm sure they both influenced us strongly.  Good for clouds!!
:smile: :tongue2: :smile:


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