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its kinda amazing how Asian people gained that knowledge way back when with no real medical education, meanwhile other people in other countries were still living in caves, completely uncivilized...kinda makes you think...maybe cuz people at that time were so..gullible due to lack of hard concrete scientific education, that their minds were easily susceptible to believe anything that they imagined...such as "Hmm...something in my mind tells me, that if I stick sharp needles here and there...my headache will go away.." so, they do it...and because they strongly BELIEVE it...it works...so, is it the power of the mind, over reality? or..is it perhaps, some sort of higher power hinting to the subconscious in the right directions to places in the body where it'd really actually would work to stick needles and release "Chi" power? Hmmm..I think I'll post this matter in the S&P...

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So at the dawn of our civilization, do you think maybe that most of what we believe to be basic reality TODAY, was determined by what the masses' minds of the ancient past chose to believe?

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I don't think there's any doubt about it. People learn by mimicking other people. (Monkey see monkey do.) And from the societal level of organization it's just as true. A belief or practice grew up around a certain need that was specific to a certain people at a certain time in the distant past. The problem is that since people generally do not examine their beliefs, those beliefs are passed on. That belief is self-sustaining even if its effects are actually damaging in the long run! DaVinci had it right when he referred to the majority of humanity as "meat machines".

Through the passage of time the need for it is forgotten, but the practice or ritual carries on by being passed on through generation after generation. People don't examine their beliefs. The funny thing is if you handed someone something to eat, they would carefully examine it before ingesting it. How much more so should you examine your beliefs before swallowing them??

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So, what do you think our minds are capable of, as far as manipulating our reality? How do you think this may have come into play as far as reality existing as we all percieve it today?

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truekimbo2 said:

acupunture works because back in the day some taoist alchemists were able to percieve the flow of chi and they spent hundreds of years charting it in the bodies of various animals, including humans.

so meh.

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Shroomism said:

I think that it far surpasses our current western medical understanding of human anatomy and healing. And considering they had this thousands of years ago, that's a pretty big statement.

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Ped said:

but we've cancelled or put on hold all attention to our internal circumstances, matters of health, symbolism and intuition.

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recalcitrant said:

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Ped said:
"Only when the white man came did our people know the meaning of disease" -somefuckinIndian

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There IS some truth to that...
here is a brilliant example that I should've remembered to use long ago;
When you are under a deep hypnosis, and you are been told that you are being touched with a white-hot poker, (when in, reality, all I really touched you with, was with my finger) you will develop a burn/blister on that exact same spot....and not even realize it what happened until you snap out of the hypnosis...
you see where I'm going with this??

As far as what you say about the Indian-quote...maybe this is a better example...
Women in USA and modern first world countries all "know" what an excrutiatingly painful ordeal it is to go through childbirth...and they scream and cry and go nearly beserk, in fact some even DIE from shock, in extreme cases...
BUT...go to Rwanda, in Africa...and just watch the african women give childbirth...she will dig a hole, in the ground, with her hands or whatever primitive tools she has handy, and if possible, hold onto a branch/ pre-built wooden beam for balance and ease...but you will NOT, see the African women give birth in the same attitude, manner, or in almost ANY way that women in your local hospital do...In fact, they make it look like Cotton Candy and Lemonade compared to how most women in the other parts of the world make it look. Now, is this just because African women are just hardy? No, it's simply because word hasnt gotten over to them how painful and hard childbirth is...
See what I mean? Power of Suggestion, Power of Mind....Power of the Synergy of the Sheep of Society....

One more example, and this is quite a common one, whether you believe it or not;
You go to work...do your usual routine..and you hear on the news that there is quite a large number of cases of the flu increasing...and you don't really make a mental note of it or anything, so it doesn't really stand out in your mind...BUT..your brain, your subconscious stores the information...and if you're like most people, prone to suggestion, that is...(to any degree)...then, a few days later...you start feeling sick...either with the cold...flu, whatever..and most likely you wont even realize the REAL reason behind it...but I also want to add, that I believe what determines the outcome of this, the most, is the mental state of mind we are in..how POSITIVE our mind is at the time...if our mind is negative and sad...then, of course, we will indeed be more susceptible to sickness...again, this is just another example...of the Power..of the Mind

There are tons of varieties of examples in the same sense that I've listed all above...
but I'm sure you get the picture of what I'm saying...and how I'm applying this to what "SomefuckinIndian" was saying about how he never knew what Disease really was until The White man came....

I pick up the phone and call your ass up again

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...they're attention at medicine was different, they used chanting and insence burning and peyote to cure themselves, and they never knew what diseas was. So that must mean, what, that turning inward, spiritual attention was paid to "matters of health" and this is what kept them disease free? I call you a quack and I hang up the phone! 

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