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Re: Acupuncture [Re: Icelander]
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Placebo isn't stronger than all medicines, it's stronger than some - which is why they have to do blind trials and declare whether a drug is "better than placebo". The drugs that aren't better won't be (or shouldn't be) licensed for sale.

A fascinating article on the placebo effect was published a few years ago - the result of a Swedish study, the world's largest. They concluded that the placebo effect only works for pain treatment.


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You know... I'm not a blind man
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Re: Acupuncture [Re: zouden]
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Depends on the person as I said. This is why placebo would be almost impossible to study definitively.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Acupuncture [Re: Icelander]
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A fascinating article on the placebo effect was published a few years ago - the result of a Swedish study, the world's largest. They concluded that the placebo effect only works for pain treatment.



I'm certain it works for health and healing as well. They always (in legit studies) do double blind studies when comparing the effects of say, vitamin c, to a placebo. Placebo effects are almost always seen. This Swedish study is just another statistical outlier.


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Placebo isn't stronger than all medicines, it's stronger than some - which is why they have to do blind trials and declare whether a drug is "better than placebo". The drugs that aren't better won't be (or shouldn't be) licensed for sale


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This is also flawed reasoning. Suppose a pill is tested on the immune system and the placebo group shows a 30% reduction in colds while the real drug shows a 50% reduction in frequency of colds. In this case, the placebo would be stronger because it accounted for 30% while the pill accounted for 20% reduction. Secondly, by definition, the strength of the placebo effect will depend on what treatment people think they're getting. It can't be spoken of as a fixed quantity.

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Re: Acupuncture [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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My parents have both had acupuncture. My mom had chronic bronchitis when I was little. She would get sick all the time. Every couple months she had to be hospitalized. She got acupuncture treatment three times a week for 5 months. She hasn't been sick since then. My girlfriends aunt was also treated. She was in a terrible car accident. Her leg was broken severely, it was partially paralyzed, she had to be put in a wheelchair. The doctors told her she would be a cripple for life. She went and got treated 5 times a week for a month, then they tapered it down to 3 for two months. Finally she went in twice a week for 3 months. She can walk now and is actually one of the healthiest people I know.

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Re: Acupuncture [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said:
I'm certain it works for health and healing as well. They always (in legit studies) do double blind studies when comparing the effects of say, vitamin c, to a placebo. Placebo effects are almost always seen. This Swedish study is just another statistical outlier.


It was a meta study. It can't be a statistical outlier.

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This is also flawed reasoning. Suppose a pill is tested on the immune system and the placebo group shows a 30% reduction in colds while the real drug shows a 50% reduction in frequency of colds. In this case, the placebo would be stronger because it accounted for 30% while the pill accounted for 20% reduction. Secondly, by definition, the strength of the placebo effect will depend on what treatment people think they're getting. It can't be spoken of as a fixed quantity.



Agreed. This does make it quite tricky to study.


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                                                part of the world belongs to me
You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see

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Re: Acupuncture [Re: Icelander]
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The power of belief constructs a huge chunk of our reality.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Acupuncture [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Yep, whether we believe it or not.....    :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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