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 chodamunky
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 achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. 
#636626 - 05/19/02 02:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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can the human mind attain the blissful state that mushrooms produce WITHOUT eating mushrooms? This is a very important question I believe because these psychadelics are used as a catalyst to 'expand the mind' and to have that deep understanding of ourselves. There are some effects on mushrooms that are directly caused because of the chemical reactions happening in your body, but is your consciousness a chemical reacition or something totally different? Can the middle man (shrooms) be eliminated? I think it's possible.
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mr crisper
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#636642 - 05/19/02 02:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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view these states of mind as different rooms, once you know the rooms are there and where they are, you can revisit them as you wish...maybe.
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chodamunky
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: mr crisper]
#636656 - 05/19/02 03:06 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats a very interesting analogy, can u revisit these rooms as u wish?
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. *DELETED* [Re: chodamunky]
#636667 - 05/19/02 03:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: phrozendata]
#636678 - 05/19/02 03:23 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've found that the more experienced at tripping I become, the less I need to get into that mode. You know the mode. How close to zero dosage this can get I don't know.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#636852 - 05/19/02 05:52 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you mean without shrooms, yes and no.
some places, states, dimensions (whatever terminology you prefer) i experienced just once, when i tried to return i found the entrance firmly locked and was told that i have to earn the right to return.
it seems to be a classic carrot-on-a-stick technique, one gets a taste of 'it' once or twice, but finds the way barred after that. from then on nothing is really worthwhile except returning to that place. but also the memory and the hope of getting back there provide the push to keep one going when times are shit.
other places i can get into with meditation, or just a smoke, of course it lacks the euphoria and awe that accompanies the shrooms, but nothing is ever as good the 2nd or 3rd time, is it?
 i can think of a couple of rooms i never want to go back to but i have a feeling i will have to, face up to my fears kinda thing.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#637009 - 05/19/02 09:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I havent been able to return to the shroom state of mind as such, but I've found that I can slightly return to the LSD state of mind. If I look at something that I remember being altered on LSD I can almost return my perception to that state (if that makes any sense). I think you could probably achieve "that state" without LSD, but my fear would be once achieving it, not being able to return to normal perception, or ending up schziophrenic. But maybe thats just irrational fear.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#637167 - 05/20/02 03:08 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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for starters, go & read the book _mind games_ by robert masters & jean houston...
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 Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#637168 - 05/20/02 03:09 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes, there is - meditation:)
read the books of Osho and you'll see that he is talking exactly about this things.
also - in one of the books of castaneda, don Juan says that "the ancients have achieved all we(he means the sorcers) now know probably by eating a lot of plants of the power in the beggining"
i also think that these plants are only a window from which you can see that there is another way of percieving the world, and it's up to us to find and open the door.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#637445 - 05/20/02 08:01 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can think you are in a different state of mind but in actuality you are not. But that would be nice if we could conciously control our chemical states. Maybe it is possible who knows.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: Droz]
#637566 - 05/20/02 09:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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They did a study a year or so ago on meditation, egoloss, etc. They had a bunch of monks come into the hospital and they would get them ready for a cat scan. The monks would then start to meditate. When the monk felt the verge of egoloss he would wiggle his finger which had a string tied to it which would let the operators know it was time to start up the machine.
The cool thing is they would actually catch the changes in the brain as egoloss "came up". There was a definite change in all of the monks at the same location in the brain. The scientists theorized that egoloss was simply the monks causing the part of the brain which categorizes how important a memory is to become hyper sensitive. Basically _everything_ becomes super important to the mind and the ego has no way to tell the difference in importance anymore.
I think their scientific explaination is weak, but interesting non-the-less.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#637628 - 05/20/02 09:39 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont know if this is what u are looking for but it might be able to help. after 21 years of dreaming i began to be able to control my dreams (be awake and know u are still dreaming). And after many attempts of this it began to get alittle more intense, like i would achieve the "controling part" and then allow myself to wake up slowly, the more i let myself wake up the more of my sourndings became evident. There is a point in waking up that u let all sound in but are still in dream like state, so after finding this out i started trying different noises. The most profound one is a repetitive noise (like a fan). As i allow myself to wake up and start to hear this noise i focus all of my energy to the noise. The noise gets louder and louder however the dreamlike feeling gets more intense. The only way i can describe the intense dream is like eating a ounce of mushrooms and falling asleep. As i began to so called "peak" my mind starts to move around the room and sometimes out of the room as though i began to travel and during this travel i see visions of people and things that my mind can only describe. Once i have mastered this i found that it is very very very easy to fall back into the trance like dream while i am still awake however i have to close my eyes and concentrate on the sounds around me. but after i wake up it just slowly trails off till i am back to my normal self.
People i have explained this to tells me this is a old Shaman tek that only few have mastered.
if u have any more info on this or if anybody else experiences this please post it.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: MentalPiracy]
#637770 - 05/20/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i was once given a lesson on techniques to 'leave the body'.
one of them was to focus on any repetitive sound, your post struck a chord with me when you mentioned the fan, one sound i focused upon was the whir of the drive in my cd-player, normally ive never noticed this sound. volume turned to zero.
anyways by paying attention to the sound i followed it back to its source, back to the point where the sound was being created, the point where 2 pieces of metal/plastic were rubbing together and the energy was transformed into soundwaves.
this exact point of transformation is a doorway, a crack in the wall, you can slip thru and discover what is on the other side.
equally effective is to make the sound yourself - chanting. focus upon the point within yourself where the soundwaves come into being, this point, again is the entrance to somewhere else, in you go....
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: mr crisper]
#637841 - 05/20/02 11:51 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have never really tried to focus on my own hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but i will try to see what will happen. and answer these questions, Does trance happen faster? Is the trance more intense? and so on i will try and post something up. thnx for the info. It is greatly appreciated.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: phrozendata]
#637937 - 05/20/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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i follow phrozendata's coment, some times, i can simply simplify myself's thinking, to where it seems that my mind is clear, and i can see life in stuff, like an aura, or i can see a wave in something. ive found alot that if you concentrate on something, but not really looking at it, or away from it, just have it in your vision, and concentrate, gently- you can almost feel the life in it- even in something that isnt always alive. its like you can see all the cells and atoms moving to create what sits infront of you. also, music is amazing. i think it creates life, if you will notice, when you listen to something that has good symponic-like composure (not just orcastras, but stuff that flows- i love tool, deftones, etc.) that life around you moves to the rhythm that music goes with, or to break it future, life plays like notes. you can see this on/off shrooms too, just focus, pay attention, and be observant.
on the other hand-- i used to take cid like it was going out of style  so maybe it fucked up my head some. but who can say it fucks up your head, it might tell the truth!
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: MentalPiracy]
#637972 - 05/20/02 02:07 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Once you learn to think out of the box, you will be able to think that way sober. I dont think this is the same as getting to that state, but still. When i do drugs, it feels to me as though im downloading information. I dont really think about it till im sober, then i spend the next while anylizing it and such. When i have it all figured out, i know its time to try the trip again, and maybe get the next set in the series.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: chodamunky]
#640912 - 05/22/02 06:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am constantly in the weed state of mind with confused thoughts and forgotten answers to important questions, even get some major visuals sometimes. I have achieved the mushroom state of mind once, there were mild visuals like i seen a stand alone cloud in the sky in the exact shape of the third eye, lasted for 15 minutes just sitting there, and pixelation, and everything seemed animated and slowed down. I got the been here before feeling, i was with my budy and he was convinced i took something and forgot, not even i knew cause i was really fucked up, i think they call those flashbacks or freebies. I thought i was dying.
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Re: achieving that extraordinary state of mind.. [Re: InDiCaToRgReEn]
#640982 - 05/22/02 07:53 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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InDiCaToRgReEn: Damn, that's intense.
Suess: Are you talking about "Zen and the Brain"? Damn hefty book that. Interesting though. I'm not much into scientific explanations of the "other." For some reason they always seem to fall short. I wonder why?
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